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H_G said:
WS WE9 database (released in August 2005) is an update of PES4. Eto'o got a present face, Barca shirt got real font and numbers style, the same for Real Madrid. Beckham had a new hairstyle and wear a long shirt

It's Like WE 2007 J-league (with updated database compared to PES6) (released in August 2007) and PES 2008

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Yes bro, you're talking about my favourite version of all time lol, even better than PES5 and WE9LE to me (more midfield battle).
That's the first version of the PES 5 era in fact.

But it's based on winter transfers too.

It's WE8 Liveware Evolution which is an improved version of PES 4 and got summer transfers, same database. Not WE9.
PES 4 = WE8 > PES 4 > WE8LE
PES 5 = WE9 > PES 5 > (No summer transfers version)
Note : they released a J-League Asia Championship instead. It's the only one of the kind.
But the European team are like 2 to 5 teams by country with fake names on two panels not even updated, and all the rest is got J1 + J2 league, China League, Korean League and tons of teams from West and East Asia. No NT.

WE10 is the prequel of PES6, there's countries like Togo, Trinidad Tobago etc. replacing some.
I worked on it to update the updated selections from the 2006 World Cup for French Evolution patch.
 
millossobek said:
Hi bro!

Ok now I can choose the stadiums by using the method you told me, great..

But now my question is, is there a way to set this up somehow in ML so that I don't have to select stadium every time? Thanks a lot..
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if im not wrong the selection you did should be save in the stadium.dat from the kitserver folder, and when you play the next match it will automatically select the stadium you choose in the previous match, if that doesnt happen run the game as admin, select the stadium, play a match, finish it, play another match and see if the stadium didnt change, otherwise just map the stadium to your team in the map.txt file, if you need more info you can read the kitserver manual inside docs folder
 
I found another one from that time, same team as Wild editor for PES 2008 PC, check on attach file if you're interested.
But i prefers to focus on the PS2 version, based on one O.F. and updated teams from JL2008CC. For 2 things : the PS2 version is better and no problem in emulator for an O.F.

I put a spoil as it's just explaining how hard/annoying it's for me to correct PES 2008 on PC vs PS2

And second, you can recopy facial parameters for PES PS2 based on updated JL2008... It's a considerable gain of time.

Issue regarding PC faces, it reset all from zero the created build when you select "build face" even if you can see that it's a build IG face from Konami. Dumb.
So you got twice much more work to do for that version, regarding transfers : you got to create face from scratch (from that season, searching pics 2007 etc)

But not only : the editor is more advanced, there's no + and - but you can increase or decrease with the analog.
Thanks they changed that after the 2010 i think because it was impossible to share facebuild. But at least on PES 2011-2013 it was the same system with Y and Z (if you know what i mean), but with + and -.
I don't believe it's completely "analogic" on PES 2008-2009-2010 : you just can't see the + and - in Y and Z for eyes position, cheeks etc. that's all, the result is the same.

Also, i'm not that good regarding game modification on PC, can try with Graphics Editor but well... I maybe can learn.
And i didn't found patch based on 2008 season to work on, so no full made kits for PES 2008. There was, but all links are dead.

Better to focus first on PES 5 Original patch correction.
I saw how much work there's to do vs PES 6 Original Season but from what i see, there's wayyy much less to do on PES 2008 PS2 with the O.F. i got.
Needs to make choices, or it's endless.
2008 PS2 is more for myself (recently buy a PS2 with HDD, and that version is better than PES 6) but i'll share the O.F., i love that one and there's a lot of fan here. So a "Konami's like" O.F. would be pretty cool.

I'll see later, like i said it's 15 to 13 years old games, it can wait some months as it waited 15 years for some Original Season Patch.

Right now, i'm on PES 2021 from 21-22 mobile update, so it will take a lot of time. All stats are revamped, and errors corrected so it worth it to at least assign it for the perhaps latest "modern" PES version we will get as we got no idea how EF 2022 will be on Spring and the option we will get for offline, to have their latest 21-22 summer editon, then i'll stop, no winter transfers or whatever.
Enough about it. They're, to me at least, inferior to 2021, on every areas, well it's my own taste. I leave the rest under Konami's hands who made a good decision and seems to get back on the rails for the future.

But at least, i will try to end 2 projects about PES 5 O. Season and 2021 > mobile 21-22 season and it will be a gigant effort regarding the amount of corrections to do (well, less in PES 5 but still : i correct also IG errors like wrong foot, height and weight lol... But there's not 15 leagues to do in comparison)
 

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Ha yes, right about that. Even when i founded a way some years ago to not have that error, that editor can crash at any new changes, it's risky to use.
 
vialli82 said:
Ha yes, right about that. Even when i founded a way some years ago to not have that error, that editor can crash at any new changes, it's risky to use.
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it's an editor made by french patchers. The only editor that included database manager. But it have an error

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kickitout94 said:
pc edition. i found a way to save the game. the problem was it never loaded the previous OF save whenever i started the game, so i have to always load it manually from save settings.
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If i got correct what you mean, i had the same issue back in 2008.

In my old PC , an Intel Pentium IV and a GeForce that i forgot the model, IIRC it was 256MB+DDR2 maybe , plus Windows XP. I could play up to PES 6 in max settings,but next gen PES 2008 only in low settings, and empty stadiums,no fans at stands.

Well each time ,i was launching the game.exe, it was as the first time i open the game.It was not autoloading, neither database not setting.dat. It was saving them correctly though.

I always had to go in game settings via menu and load them manually, both option file and settings.

I was pretty suspicious it was something Windows XP related, cause latter in Windows 7 i had never had the same issue, in the very few times i reinstalled PES 2008.
 
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I figured out the same issue with the crowd completely empty during the players presentation on Windows 10 and a more than correct PC to run PES 2008.
Then they reappeared in game. It's under Virtua Red patch btw, but it's 2009 season.

Edit: Same issue when i launch it, the game seems to load like sometimes 5-10 seconds and then it start only.

I checked everywhere for a 2007-2008 season patch without success, or an O.F. but as you can't even change the teams Emblems.... It's not the ideal.
While you can modify kits and assign faces. Logic. I tried a version on PS3, and noticed a Bundesliga with the ugly fakes /all the same/ emblems.
Perhaps it was doable in PES 2009 but that version is not really good, too fast and shoot seems more often on target...
To me, for that gen PS360 it's PES6 360>2008>2010>>>>>2009

PES 2008 got almost the same system as PES 6 in everything, so it's not that bad, i came back some times ago when i was testing everything.

In fact, the best version to me from "first next-gen" part (PES 6 360 to 2010) in terms of gameplay was PES 6 X360, even some test noticed that it's not frantic as PES 6. More PES 2008 PS2 experience in fact.
It's really sad that edit mode is restricted as only modify players and teams names, i don't even think you can do transfers. Didn't checked about teams neither. I retried it on Xenia as i got very very good memories about it.

Also, the players movements are more like PES 6 and less rigid, it's the same animations, only the body and face model changed. Sad it's uneditable, there's no patch of course for 1 version on one console, it run very smoothly on Xenia (X360 emulator).
 
slamsoze said:
If i got correct what you mean, i had the same issue back in 2008.

In my old PC , an Intel Pentium IV and a GeForce that i forgot the model, IIRC it was 256MB+DDR2 maybe , plus Windows XP. I could play up to PES 6 in max settings,but next gen PES 2008 only in low settings, and empty stadiums,no fans at stands.

Well each time ,i was launching the game.exe, it was as the first time i open the game.It was not autoloading, neither database not setting.dat. It was saving them correctly though.

I always had to go in game settings via menu and load them manually, both option file and settings.

I was pretty suspicious it was something Windows XP related, cause latter in Windows 7 i had never had the same issue, in the very few times i reinstalled PES 2008.
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Kind of sounds like it might be a windows permissions thing.
 
It happen to me even with compatibily Windows XP and run as administrator.
I think it's about your configuration, or gfx card, or perhaps some patch or kitserver doing that, perhaps an issue with the "crowd detail" too high, even if your PC run it without problem.

I don't know, as long as it's running... And it didn't happens always, weird.
 
I remember that version was really criticised were i posted (Wearepes) to be honest lol.
And yes, it was open bar in the midfield from what i remember, PES 6 corrected a lot based on that version.
Still retried it and...

Personally i don't know what to think, i still prefers PES 6.
From PES 6 era, probably JL2007CC is the more debugged and best "PES 6 PS2" version as it's like a Liveware Evolution.

I posted JL2008CC (the VERY best PES version with part of W9 and WE9LE, but pretty different : it's PES 2008 PS2 rectified with more animations etc.).
But don't remember if i send that one. I got a translated version if you need it and want to test.
 
I don't know, I feel like WE 10 does every thing I find important better than Pes 6 personally. CPU defenders are a lot more aware, there are also more fouls as well; I have a way bigger sensation of a physical play here. It's like they purposefully took away some defensive option to AI to facilitate offensive play (in 6). Also CPU feels a lot more creative. In Pes 6 it's still decent but I almost never had that wow sensation. I don't know, replaying it a bit in the past months or so it feels more unforgiving, more "cruel". I had games like this one:
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where the cpu scored and put a proper parking bus in the end. Never had quite the same on Pes 6, where I always feel like I'm on the verge of scoring or having a chance, at least with decent teams up.

It's also strange cause I have the "open bar" feeling a lot more on Pes 6, where me running with a single cpu guy attached to my shoulder and incapable to take the ball away happens so often.

But I guess it's a matter of personal tastes after all. Pes 6 is probably my least favourite of all the saga, I'll take literally anything with a different feel ;)
 
Well i like PES 6 but not like WE9, WE8LE, PES 2008 ps2, WE7I, PES 5, etc., but not any game from PES 2 era.
Even if it's rigid, i don't know but there's more "chess game" and less freedom, but WE5FE and PES1 are still on my top 5 easy.

The one i just can't it's WE8, PES 4... But WE8le is on another level : they worked super well on everything. It's also an hidden gem.

I can't with WE10 (sorry lol), and PES 3 as the database is a bit fucked (european have added some missing transfers in the summer, so some are totally off the PES standards. Corrected in WE7I jap version + gameplay more solid in contact and midfield like usually in japanese versions.

PES 6 is the one i played the less on PC/PS2 as i gotted it on Xbox 360 and played a lot offline, it was the first time you could've play without lag thanks to Xbox servers.
And you can try it with Xenia emulator : it's a pretty different game as it's not the same part of the team which worked on the gameplay. Smoother, slower, more compact etc. i posted a vid but it's when you try it that you understand. It's +- the same as PES 2008 PS2 in terms of balance. Hard to judge but it's NOT the same as the usual PES 6 PS2 based for sure.

It's mentionned on french websites test such as Jeuxvideo.com, Gamekult... Probably also on others websites.
Example on JV.COM > PES 6 got like 7/10 on PS2, 8/10 on X360 (they couldn't give more due to the lack of editing possibilities which is a real problem on PES.
 
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I need a Winning Eleven Asia Championship with J-League 1 and 2, K-League 1 and 2, (40 Japanese and 40 Korean Teams) and another one with all South American Leagues!!!!

Hahahaha... My contribution to the discussion my friends.. :LOL: :LOL: Just kidding.. (Sort of..) :LOL: :LOL:
 
The biggest issue for old school PES patchers is team slots limited to what the game purpose (unfortunately). Or we would get patch with 10 leagues lol.

But in counterpart, you can remove some team, like in the PES 5 Original Patch : PES and WE united are removed or moved to Others Euro i don't know if it's doable.
 
I don't understand why Konami used to release a PC version with a database out of date, then release another PS2 6 months after with an updated database. PES4 database is near to 2003/04 season than 2004/05

Why they waited until 2009 for the first database update
 
@vialli82 is the Xenia emulator as demanding as the Ps3 one? If that's the case unfortunately I don't think it will work on my pc :CONF:. It's a shame as I can't remember your video, but I remember one by @Marlon Anthony and it indeed looked quite different than the pc version, I'd love to try it.
 
slamsoze said:
If i got correct what you mean, i had the same issue back in 2008.

In my old PC , an Intel Pentium IV and a GeForce that i forgot the model, IIRC it was 256MB+DDR2 maybe , plus Windows XP. I could play up to PES 6 in max settings,but next gen PES 2008 only in low settings, and empty stadiums,no fans at stands.

Well each time ,i was launching the game.exe, it was as the first time i open the game.It was not autoloading, neither database not setting.dat. It was saving them correctly though.

I always had to go in game settings via menu and load them manually, both option file and settings.

I was pretty suspicious it was something Windows XP related, cause latter in Windows 7 i had never had the same issue, in the very few times i reinstalled PES 2008.
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interesting, i'm playing it on windows 10 but i'm using kitserver to avoid the low performance issue. in any case i just got used to manually loading it.
 
Madmac79 said:
@vialli82 is the Xenia emulator as demanding as the Ps3 one? If that's the case unfortunately I don't think it will work on my pc :CONF:. It's a shame as I can't remember your video, but I remember one by @Marlon Anthony and it indeed looked quite different than the pc version, I'd love to try it.
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Not at all mate, as 360 was more conceived like a PC. I was surprised how smooth PES 6 was running on it. Now, i never tried others games such as Gears of War (much more demanding than PES 6) or whatever else. But i can't run the PS3 one personnaly perhaps at 10-15 fps or less, but it's unplayable for sure.

Xenia runs with my 750 GTX TI Nvidia, IE5 quad core 3.50 MHZ, and 16 GB ram, and PES 6 totally playable like a game on PCSX2.
It's a relatively recent emulator, but it's pretty well optimised for running smooth on my 7-8 years old PC (or more i don't remember)
 
H_G said:
I don't understand why Konami used to release a PC version with a database out of date, then release another PS2 6 months after with an updated database. PES4 database is near to 2003/04 season than 2004/05

Why they waited until 2009 for the first database update
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Well it was 1st for PS2 2nd for PC, and PS2 wasn't "DLC Friendly" at all. And neither them : they were lost when they needed to create games fitting with PC when the PS360 cames out, if you remember. They were 5 years late about PC stuffs... PC Gaming wasn't really popular in Japan, at all.

And the way they created players wasn't the same as before : they were alone, no scout, and needed to watch a lot of games to create players, stats.
Seabass explained it in many interviews.
So it took them some time for new unknown player, needed at least the first part of the season to build.
Also internet got tons of information in more than it was in 2002-2006.

Now they have tons of scouts : data editors i know how it work as i talked with a face and a data editor explained to me what's hiding behind, some are pretty bad, some are pretty good... But at least for the database they made a "cleaning" by not renewing contract for the bad ones (from the teams peoples complained, like PSG, or League like Ligue 1)
How it work : they got a tool with limitations by position(s), and a range of overall to respect (70-74, 65-69 etc.). Then it cames back to Konami and they retouch themselves some stats. Also some players got a fix OVR like big players such as the ones from Real, Manchester, Juve, Bayern, Barca, Chelsea etc.
 
vialli82 said:
Not at all mate, as 360 was more conceived like a PC. I was surprised how smooth PES 6 was running on it. Now, i never tried others games such as Gears of War (much more demanding than PES 6) or whatever else. But i can't run the PS3 one personnaly perhaps at 10-15 fps or less, but it's unplayable for sure.

Xenia runs with my 750 GTX TI Nvidia, IE5 quad core 3.50 MHZ, and 16 GB ram, and PES 6 totally playable like a game on PCSX2.
It's a relatively recent emulator, but it's pretty well optimised for running smooth on my 7-8 years old PC (or more i don't remember)
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Sounds fantastic man, unfortunately I downloaded it and it seems there is no way to make it work for me. I also have I5 quad and and 16 GB ram, but the problem must be my old AMD radeon gc, there are no new drivers for it and I think it doesn't support this Vulkan thing which is apparently crucial to run the whole thing. Tried to search for a workaround but just had a big headache lol. Shame, was already tasting not only Pes but also the old Fifas as well :DD :CONF:.
 
Well it's probably the card then, AMD from that time was a bit less "emulator friendly" from what i've read, and less compatible.
It's sad, i don't think your old card is that much above mine in terms of capacities (i'll check and edit)

Edit: practically all Radeon GCN are, by far, faster in everything than my 750 TI. I really don't understand, it can be a matter of compatibility only.

One Reddit answer nvidia system > used extensively by Xenia.

amd gpus lack rov technology which is supported by nvidia cards and it is used extensively by xenia. also, driver quality is very important for emulators and everyone knows how "good" the amd drivers are.
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vialli82 said:
Well it's probably the card then, AMD from that time was a bit less "emulator friendly" from what i've read, and less compatible.
It's sad, i don't think your old card is that much above mine in terms of capacities (i'll check and edit)

Edit: practically all Radeon GCN are, by far, faster in everything than my 750 TI. I really don't understand, it can be a matter of compatibility only.

One Reddit answer nvidia system > used extensively by Xenia.
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Yeah the thing is that in the, eehrr, "event" txt the program creates (sorry, don't know the technicism lol) after I launch the exe and it closes a millisecond later, it clearly says it's a vulkan, and consequently gc drivers problem. Googling around there is people that says Xenia can run on direct x and vulkan can be "dismissed" (they go as far as saying that "it's not suggested to run it on it"), but I have no idea how to do that (if it's even an option in the terms I'm understanding lol) even after watching a supposed fix guide on youtube, so for now I'm pretty stuck. Maybe I'll try ask on the subreddit discord later.
 
Well, to be honest you won't gain anything as long as the X360 emulation won't be really "ready to play" and you won't replace your PC (like me with some emulator, Gamecube/Wii are super slow).
Plus, i brought a PS3 jailbreaked, and when i retry some games...

I replayed a bit Top Spin 4, Fight Night, Fifa 11 and 10 WC, but i can do without it. It seemed way better in my memories. I'm good with FIFA 14 and 13 PC version. And i checked the catalog, it's very poor in comparison to PS2 : that was a damn good console. Well for example :the most interesting where PS2 HD remake lol, like Devil May Cry collection HD. I liked some Fifa from that Era but to be honest, it's the gen i consider, with all the catalog i saw, the poorest.
128 bits era was really something, when i see the GC, Xbox, PS2, and Dreamcast package of games... There's no comparison possible.

So i brought instead a PS2 with an HDD (didn't received the HDD yet so) and will sold the PS3. I tried with an USB but the compatibility sucks... But damn, it's super fluid and lag free, in comparison to some PCSX2 try. The issue is... Damn, that aliasing, and the nets on PES looks really bad on an HD TV, component or not.

I really need something like an upscaler (a signal converter which upscale the image, with some extra like smooth filters, scanlines etc.) component > hdmi.
But it cost the same as my PS2 pack with: 100 euros.
But i can use it for every console

And i don't want to play on a small TV, a good average size old crt TV cost wayyy too much as it's became rare, + one with Component... It's too much like 200 tp 500 euros.
 
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