PES 2019 Discussion Thread (PS4, XB1)

hitmanuk said:
If I'm dead centre of the pitch and want to shoot to a top corner which way do I push? If I am coming in at and angle and want to put it far post which way do I push? On advanced it's straight forward but on manual I find myself hitting the keeper
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Top corner shots are very difficult in manual for me. I don't intentionally shoot for those. My usual aim is bottom corner.

When you're at the middle. It's very tricky unless your aiming is accurate. Margin for error's small but depends where the goalie is.
If I have time, I don't shoot in the middle. I always try to create sort of angle that pulls the keeper towards one side, so there's a lot more open space to the other side for a 30-50 degree shot to bottom corner.
Top corner is really difficult, since you need more power, making the shot animation longer and the shot less accurate.
 
Elanimator said:
Top corner shots are very difficult in manual for me. I don't intentionally shoot for those. My usual aim is bottom corner.

When you're at the middle. It's very tricky unless your aiming is accurate. Margin for error's too small.
If I have time, I don't shoot in the middle. I always try to create sort of angle that pulls the keeper towards one side, so there's a lot more open space to the other side for a 30-50 degree shot to bottom corner.
Top corner is really difficult, since you need more power, making the shot animation longer and the shot less accurate.
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And thats exactly what puts me off manual shooting. It makes the game unrealistic if you are in a great position just outside penalty area and cant shoot coz its either a keeper or wide.
Thats why i use advanced shooting which still lets me pick an exact spot and lets me shoot when i want to shoot.
 
Emroth said:
And thats exactly what puts me off manual shooting. It makes the game unrealistic if you are in a great position just outside penalty area and cant shoot coz its either a keeper or wide.
Thats why i use advanced shooting which still lets me pick an exact spot and lets me shoot when i want to shoot.
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Last year, when I still play on "basic" and just trying "manual" shooting occasionally, that's what I thought too. Even simple shots can be very difficult at times. Not realistic at all.

Now, I still think it's not realistic but I just like that if I missed a simple shot, it's because of me.
If I scored a difficult shot, I like to believe it's because of me too even if I'm just lucky:)).
 
To me full manual is the only way to transport a halfway realistic feel of playing, especially when it comes to shooting. It is directly linked to the essence - direction and power. No strange button combination or weird stick input.

At same same time it offers the most natural error rate you could ever think of. Under pressure you will fail to adjust direction and power. But if you can get yourself some space, you can even activate the manual arrow and aim with precision.

People seem to be afraid of the manual arrow as some kind of unwanted assist or something, but (although i don´t use it anymore) it is a completely legit and justified element of full manual play.
 
I am still figuring out how to play this game, months after release, my current set up is everything manual and Top player difficulty. After they fixed the headers on manual shooting, it is a joy. Also, for some reason I score a lot more crazy volleys after switching the shooting from basic to manual.
I could do with a difficulty level between Professional and Top player, on Pro the AI is too passive and I frequently have matches where they have zero attempts on goal. On Top player it's just damn hard to win. But way more rewarding, so I will stick with that for now.
 
philla said:
To me full manual is the only way to transport a halfway realistic feel of playing, especially when it comes to shooting. It is directly linked to the essence - direction and power. No strange button combination or weird stick input.

At same same time it offers the most natural error rate you could ever think of. Under pressure you will fail to adjust direction and power. But if you can get yourself some space, you can even activate the manual arrow and aim with precision.

People seem to be afraid of the manual arrow as some kind of unwanted assist or something, but (although i don´t use it anymore) it is a completely legit and justified element of full manual play.
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I agree with all of above but since R2- shooting is impossible (or EXTREMLY hard, I can't do it even in training) it's just off putting to me atm. I love manual shooting but it just irritates me knowing I can't do all the things I should be able to.
 
Emroth said:
And thats exactly what puts me off manual shooting. It makes the game unrealistic if you are in a great position just outside penalty area and cant shoot coz its either a keeper or wide.
Thats why i use advanced shooting which still lets me pick an exact spot and lets me shoot when i want to shoot.
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How is advanced shooting, i remember trying it on PS3 think it was ProEvo 15 or 16. It was broken then as 50% of shots would hit the post and 50% would be on target right in the corner, you never missed.
Im kind of liking this Pes19 on ps4 my first Pes gaming for 2 years and i have played since ISS on the snes.
 
philla said:
To me full manual is the only way to transport a halfway realistic feel of playing, especially when it comes to shooting. It is directly linked to the essence - direction and power. No strange button combination or weird stick input.

At same same time it offers the most natural error rate you could ever think of. Under pressure you will fail to adjust direction and power. But if you can get yourself some space, you can even activate the manual arrow and aim with precision.

People seem to be afraid of the manual arrow as some kind of unwanted assist or something, but (although i don´t use it anymore) it is a completely legit and justified element of full manual play.
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Its not realistic in terms of stats though - with manual every player can hit it as hard as the next - and then theres the chance of a daft miss because your thumb slipped - its all personal preference but for me the most realistic way of playing is PA1 and Advanced shooting. At least stats play a part and it takes more notice of the player body position.

In terms of manual i find it much easier to score using L2 manual compared to not using L2.

On another note i have just beat watford in my league as liverpool 1-0 - great counter attack goal in last 5 minutes but then got hammered by fulham 3-0. 2 goals scored from outside the area Mitrovic into both top corners. I had set my defence to drop way back and he dropped into the pocket both times unmarked with my defence infront of him- worked against the last team but im wondering do i need to adjust this dependant on what team im against? Just felt like i played into their hands totally.

Also if i push my defence up will that push my forwards up too? Sometimes i feel like they dont run in behind enough - set to central attack in advanced instructions
 
chickenhawk said:
How is advanced shooting, i remember trying it on PS3 think it was ProEvo 15 or 16. It was broken then as 50% of shots would hit the post and 50% would be on target right in the corner, you never missed.
Im kind of liking this Pes19 on ps4 my first Pes gaming for 2 years and i have played since ISS on the snes.
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Yeah I love it. Wouldnt go back to basic now, as its too limited since I got used to Advanced.
Personally cant compare Advanced shooting to any other Pes. Tried it few times before in previous Pes games but it felt unnatural and weird and never gave it a proper chance. For some reason on PES19 I just needed 10mins on a training ground for it to click. Its much more user friendly and intuitive than I thought it will be. And I dont see anything wrong with it in terms of accuracy.
Post hits, misses and shots on target seems ballanced to me.
If I had to be really picky id say high, top corner shots from close range are the weakest element of advanced shooting. I often hit a crossbar or miss from close range. But in those situations i either shoot low (as most players would) or use L2 manual aim.
 
romagnoli said:
Stats play just as much of a part in PA0 and PA1. Which is to say, not nearly enough in either.
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not really though (i like PA0) but i have the ball with salah and i point slightly the wrong direction and the ball misses Firminho say and goes out for a through - his body position is perfect for the pass, no pressure, only 5 yards apart - this is a pass that he will make 10 times out of 10 - yet because i made the mistake with my thumb its an awful pass - not stat related at all. On PA1 if i attempt the same pass it will make it as it should every time - with PA1 though if it is a difficult pass e.g not the right positioning an error can occur, which for me, and its only my opinion, is more realistic
 
I can´t play PA0 on TP in this game anymore, as I see way too many players ignoring the ball, or the controller constantly switching to a payer that is nowere near the ball, wich leads to lots of counters from the CPU. It has become a frustrating experience. As incredible as it may seem, Professional is quite well balanced for me now, if I´m using PA0.
Also, PA1 just removes all the fun on TP or higher. Not just the game gives me no reward felling when I hit nice passes, but also on these levels the CPU plays way too wide, and always streaming long ground passes to the always alone striker in the middle of the park. Their positioning also spreads my team, wich leads to enormous spaces on the middle and end to end action through the match.

I´ve just been fired from Valenciennes and got a chance at 2nd english division, with a TS of 28 ahahh. Drawed my first match and it was tight as it could be. Happy for now.
 
hitmanuk said:
On PA1 if i attempt the same pass it will make it as it should every time - with PA1 though if it is a difficult pass e.g not the right positioning an error can occur, which for me, and its only my opinion, is more realistic
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I don't really think this part applies for Online imo, players (in the big teams especially) make super fast, weird passes from all kind of angles all the time regardless of positioning etc.

We are basically stuck between two options (I don't acknowledge the existence of anything above PA1...) where neither is working properly.
 
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Elanimator said:
Not sure why you feel like you're cheating just because you scored a goal that felt too easy.
It happens a lot on basic, manual and L2. Sometimes, the games just want us to score. Either by making the goalie stupid or making our shot too accurate, or both.

Here's a couple of example using non-L2 manual shot.
Before I took these shots, I said to myself that I won't score this because it will not be on target or the goalie will save it since the shots are long range and he has time to react. I tried it anyways and BOOM it went in.
It felt okay but I'm not too excited with goal cause I feel like I didn't earn it. Sometimes, it's just like that.
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Can I ask you for cam settings, please?

Thanks!:)
 
Emroth said:
Yeah I love it. Wouldnt go back to basic now, as its too limited since I got used to Advanced.
Personally cant compare Advanced shooting to any other Pes. Tried it few times before in previous Pes games but it felt unnatural and weird and never gave it a proper chance. For some reason on PES19 I just needed 10mins on a training ground for it to click. Its much more user friendly and intuitive than I thought it will be. And I dont see anything wrong with it in terms of accuracy.
Post hits, misses and shots on target seems ballanced to me.
If I had to be really picky id say high, top corner shots from close range are the weakest element of advanced shooting. I often hit a crossbar or miss from close range. But in those situations i either shoot low (as most players would) or use L2 manual aim.
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I will give it a try , practice on training ground first.
Im going to start a master league then i will be posting back on here my entire thoughts on the game, from an old PES player of 20 years and my thoughts comparing it to FIFA which i have dabled with over the last coupke of years.
 
MafiaMurderBag said:
What's the situation with Ibrox (and i think Celtic Park?)? It's over halfway through November and not a peep from Konami about the Stadium DLC?
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Can't imagine they'll be released anytime before DP2 - that came out around this time last year for PES 2018 but each year the DP releases are always different.

If Konami wanted to play it really well they could release DP2 (with Ibrox and Celtic Park as well as other additions) in the last week of November, slap a 20% discount on PES and then market it for the Christmas audiences who are getting a Christmas console and football game.
 
Just got the platinum trophy on PES 2019! Bit easier than the last few games and actually a lot more enjoyable to get - good to see new trophies rather than the same we had from PES 2015 - 2018.

Hardest to get is the co-op contributor, otherwise the rest are all just achieved through a decent amount of playtime.

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Gunslinger said:
They play more of a part on PA1, though.
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I don’t agree. You just blame the stick more on PA0, whereas you can’t on PA1. Plenty of passes which should have gone out on PA0 have just held up enough, or been slightly redirected, just to make sure it stays on the pitch or in our possession. Similarly, less capable passers are more likely to see ground passes go out for a throw.

Fact is it should be more prominent in PA1 than PA0 so that both are competitive with each other. But neither have enough individuality, and both suffer as a result of PA1 being laser accurate and Konami balancing other areas of the game around this truth. By and large most of the individuality is in the player cards/skills.
 
It's really a shame console users can't enjoy the glory of this game modded. I'm using dt18alfa, all available mods, 20 min, -1 speed, Top Player and I can't put the game down. It's football gaming brilliance. Fouls, battles, randomness, misplaced passes by the AI, attacking variation, long shots, dribbling by AI, goals disallowed because of aerial fouls, bad first touches, players even losing control of the ball while running. Everything is there.
 
fear said:
It's really a shame console users can't enjoy the glory of this game modded. I'm using dt18alfa, all available mods, 20 min, -1 speed, Top Player and I can't put the game down. It's football gaming brilliance. Fouls, battles, randomness, misplaced passes by the AI, attacking variation, long shots, dribbling by AI, goals disallowed because of aerial fouls, bad first touches, players even losing control of the ball while running. Everything is there.
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How on earth is all of that possible through modding?

Would love to see videos!
 
Chris Davies said:
How on earth is all of that possible through modding?

Would love to see videos!
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It's all done by tweaking values inside the dt18 file. You can check the thread in the editing forum. Even just increasing the physicality results to random situations. I'll try to upload some videos. In my last game against PSG there were 18 fouls in total and they only had 81% pass completion. Needless to say if anyone chooses to play in English Championship
they're in for a proper treat.
 
Has anyone got an idea why the national teams can't be updated with the Live update the same way the club teams does?
 
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fear said:
It's really a shame console users can't enjoy the glory of this game modded. I'm using dt18alfa, all available mods, 20 min, -1 speed, Top Player and I can't put the game down. It's football gaming brilliance. Fouls, battles, randomness, misplaced passes by the AI, attacking variation, long shots, dribbling by AI, goals disallowed because of aerial fouls, bad first touches, players even losing control of the ball while running. Everything is there.
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Let me guess....
You're talking about Exhibition Mode. Right?.

Because everything you said is true, when playing friendlies.
But as soon as you play in some other game mode, the game is as bad as Trump's presidency.
 
There is the cheating factor in competitions regardless. You have to be 100% focuesd during every game especially against lower teams. But at least if you can smash them with 3-4 goals and they wont get up.
 
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