PES 2019 Discussion Thread (PS4, XB1)

I had a penalty yesterday on my third ML match. Most fouls I´m getting is when I pass to someone and CPU attempts a tackle out of time. The penalty came from a low pass I made to the box, and obviusly I would be in a good position so the CPU played the risky way and got punished.
Still not seeing that scripting pattern, though matches are tough and some moments are sure a bit unfair, but that´s what I pay for playing TP. Overall, the ML story gets quite balanced this way and I´ll take that any moment instead of those retro editions, were once you had a good team and an understanding of CPU behaviour, you would win literally everything and the reward factor would vanish completely.
 
Emroth said:
@Chuny
It must be affected by script/scenario and TS. There is no other explanation. Exhibition mode is pure gameplay, where AI is completely free from any background stuff and it just plays according to tactics.
TS is a great addition, but it affects too much. It affects everything. It should only affect player runs and tactics.
If you want to play quick one two players shouldn't "understand" your intentions and go to position with low TS.
TS should be dynamic. Same way they claim we have Adaptive, dynamic AI that learns our style and adapts, same way TS (AI team mates) should learn our and help us along with high TS.
It shouldnt affect passes, shots and everything along those lines. These should be affected only by stats and pass/shot error should always be present based on them.
If AI team spirit is high they should be able to break your defense with great runs and creativeness, but once they have shooting opportunity, outcome should be determined by shooting stats.
I remember seeing some screenshots from PC where every AI team was set to 99TS when you play against them.
As much as i like the idea of TS, if they cant implement it properly they should get rid of that altogether or give us the option to have it or not have it in ML.

I see all your complaints and I know where you are coming from. AI one dimentional football is still there and there is plenty of room for improvements.
Having said all that, I find the game enjoyable post patch and with all the issues I, personally, cant really complain looking at my league table. Im in the middle, loosing with strong teams and winning with weaker.
And since i switched back to manual and dropped to professional AI tiki taka and momentum are much less visible.

Im still hoping they will be tweaking gameplay with every data pack and at the end deliver us a complete package.
Because once Pes19 is polished and at its full potential - there wont be any need whatsoever to get Pes next year.
Unless they bring some groundbreaking changes, which I highly doubt they will.
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Yeah, I agree with you. For the most part.

I was working on my GFX MOD 2, on the Emirates Stadium. So I was going back and forth to it, playing as Arsenal, to test different parts of the pitch, lighting, stadium, etc. In Exhibition, of course.
And I was thinking, I must be tired but I think this game is feeling good, finally.
So after a few days of feeling that way, I decided to start a new League Mode as Arsenal.
3 games in, I was already willing to quit.
I thought "hey! maybe the problem is Arsenal. Maybe the game still thinks Wenger is the manager".
So I started another League Mode as Chelsea. Same feeling.

Yet both teams feel GREAT in Exhibition Mode.

Plus, it feels like they won't get rid of this until the need to start the game pretty much all over, from scratch. So that might not be for the next two years, when PES gets a new engine.

FIFA is not PES competitor. PES is PES' own worst enemy.
 
Chuny said:
I actually like PES 2019 in Exhibition Mode.
But whenever I try to start a League Mode or a Cup Mode, or a ML, there's something completely different. Even when playing with and against the same team AND the exact same setting I'd JUST played in Exhibition.
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I think this is largely where I tend to base most of my experiences of PES from. I haven't really got in to Master League since PES 2017, a brief stint on 2018 ML but otherwise I play 99% of my games as exhibition games.

And for that reason I think I only experience the 'good' side of PES. A guy at work loves Master League and constantly tells me about when he just knows the AI are going to score against him (call it scripting or witchcraft, your choice). But I'm not experiencing it personally because I'm only ever playing exhibition games.

I'm so close to the platinum trophy in this game and the last one to unlock is 100 wins - I'm at 96 currently but I've also drawn 40 and lost close to 40 as well - I've almost played 200 vs. AI games on PES and it's only been out for 2 months. That's not 5 min games vs. beginner, that's 10-13 minute games against Top Player / Superstar (and a tentative one vs. Legend which did not end well...).

Asides from the games I had to play to get the other trophies required for the platinum they've all been exhibition games. And they've all been so enjoyable - yeah, the odd frustration here and there but there's been aggression, I've had penalties, seen red cards against the AI, double yellows for the AI - it's been super.

But I think you're bang on the money - in both parts.
 
slamsoze said:
Ir is simple.Pick a ML team with its official squad (not the ML) defaults.Set up the formation you want,position picks instructions etc.Save the formation.Exit to main menu, go to edit mode/edit team/gameplan change /load and apply to them the formation you saved in ML ,the once you saved before.save and exit edit mode.
Then start a new ML pick the team you picked before where you applied the tactics and voila!Your starting TS is up.
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Lifesaver!
Great tip,I'm gonna try it my friend.
Thanks brother
 
tomj said:
It's more like we can all have anecdotes and make statements but without proof they're all just as worthless as the next.

I played against Lyon yesterday as Milan, Cutrone beat Denayer in the air 9 times out of 10.

I play as Chelsea more than any other side, I've never had any issues winning the ball in the air as Giroud. Now it's my word against yours.

Proof helps, it adds context and legitimizes statements.
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Of course proof helps but why would i have recorded footage of it. If i had decided then and there to go post about it on evo web sure,but i didnt, that guy saying weighting is perfect just reminded me of it thats all.

So asking for proof of it is silly.

Regardless he has shown himself as extremly defensive of the brand with his post imo
 
gabe.paul.logan said:
So you dont want to or cant back this up....which and why? Im questioning your status becaues i never experienced such obviously. I dont know why we canjt have an adult conversation about this.
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Did you provide proof with every claim you've made about how positive everything is in PES 2019?
No, right? Then why are you demanding people to do what you don't do?.
 
Chuny said:
Did you provide proof with every claim you've made about how positive everything is in PES 2019?
No, right? Then why are you demanding people to do what you don't do?.
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In this case the claim was very specific, saying Bonuventura beat Giroud to a header 9 times out of 10. I haven't noticed anything like that, or at least certainly nowhere near to that extent. That should be a bit easier to prove/disprove.
 
Mmh.. to be honest this is the first time in the whole "next gen" of Pes that I feel like the good old post player (or target man if you want to call it that way) makes a real difference in terms of headers and physical dominance. Then I don't doubt either that stuff like the Bonaventura one above can be true, attributes and stats works better this year but the core mechanics of the game (TS, scripting/momentum etc.) still make strange and random situations happen. With that said, on average I feel a great and tangible difference when I launch the ball high to Kane or Lukaku respect than let's say Aguero.
 
Madmac79 said:
Mmh.. to be honest this is the first time in the whole "next gen" of Pes that I feel like the good old post player (or target man if you want to call it that way) makes a real difference in terms of headers and physical dominance. Then I don't doubt either that stuff like the Bonaventura one above can be true, attributes and stats works better this year but the core mechanics of the game (TS, scripting/momentum etc.) still make strange and random situations happen. With that said, on average I feel a great and tangible difference when I launch the ball high to Kane or Lukaku respect than let's say Aguero.
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You are 100% correct

The knock on header at corners works well

But these same big men can be beaten to headers by anyone(no matter how small) on opposing team if the script calls for the opposition to be the ones on the front foot. It just wants them to get the ball back immeditley, no different to how sometimes pressure is unstoppable to pass or dribble around.
 
Chuny said:
Did you provide proof with every claim you've made about how positive everything is in PES 2019?
No, right? Then why are you demanding people to do what you don't do?.
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Maybe for the very reason i just mentioned? And if he can provide proof we can send it over konami perhaps to fix it?
But lets say he would have replied "it happens in ML in the CL when.... " then we can safely say its team spirit. And for team spirit i sent many tweets already that it affects the game to heavily.

But no we didnt have a conversation like that because he immediately attacked me...just like you did before. You cant claim something its not working as it should be while others experiencing different and then you attack people who calling you out on it.

You know what that makes you look like?
Also telling im a konami defender or stating i claim the game is perfect implying you read all my posts on the game...and that just tells me that half at least you guys talking about is bullshit.
 
gabe.paul.logan said:
Maybe for the very reason i just mentioned? And if he can provide proof we can send it over konami perhaps to fix it?
But lets say he would have replied "it happens in ML in the CL when.... " then we can safely say its team spirit. And for team spirit i sent many tweets already that it affects the game to heavily.

But no we didnt have a conversation like that because he immediately attacked me...just like you did before. You cant claim something its not working as it should be while others experiencing different and then you attack people who calling you out on it.

You know what that makes you look like?
Also telling im a konami defender or stating i claim the game is perfect implying you read all my posts on the game...and that just tells me that half at least you guys talking about is bullshit.
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Im sort of in the middle on this.
I dont see any reason why anybody would come here and lie about what he is experiencing in the game.
But I also agree that simple claim, without explanation and details, does not bring anything into discusion and more importantly - will not help in finding solution or source of the problem.
So if anyone is experiencing issues, problems, glitches or game is pissing him off in general, lets try to give a bit more details on mode that you play, difficulty, pass assist, TS and describe situation.
Was he loosing all the high balls in the middle or from crosses? Was it assisted cross or manual?
Did you try to use supercancel? We all know headers are nerfed in this years Pes and positioning is key. I only started winning headers when I got a hang of supercancel. And thats because AI positioning is pretty solid this year and they always block our players when there is a high ball coming. That has little to do with height of the player. If he is being pushed back and blocked the smaller bloke will win the header.
 
Also if thats the case the physicality needs to be worked on as bigger players should push smaller players over resulting in foul in certain situations. Or giving a fk to the defending team as the smaller player doesnt let the taller one jump properly.

But of course smaller player can win headers. It happens in reality.
 
gabe.paul.logan said:
Maybe for the very reason i just mentioned? And if he can provide proof we can send it over konami perhaps to fix it?
But lets say he would have replied "it happens in ML in the CL when.... " then we can safely say its team spirit. And for team spirit i sent many tweets already that it affects the game to heavily.

But no we didnt have a conversation like that because he immediately attacked me...just like you did before. You cant claim something its not working as it should be while others experiencing different and then you attack people who calling you out on it.

You know what that makes you look like?
Also telling im a konami defender or stating i claim the game is perfect implying you read all my posts on the game...and that just tells me that half at least you guys talking about is bullshit.
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You are just too sensitive. I haven't attacked you. I asked you a fair question.
But you don't like being questioned or challenged, you just want to be the one who challenges others.

It's been proven that trying to have a back and forth conversation with you about this game is close to impossible, because you start getting on the defensive and feeling attacked. While most of us agree or disagree all the time in this forum. Hence, I've chosen to add you to my ignore list from now on.
So see you later, Gabe.
 
The scripting in ML is terrible. I decided to play a few exhibition games, superstar, PA1, 14 mins matches and the game is so much better. The CPU takes there time on the ball and it just feels less cheated. Why do they bother including scripts in offline modes?
 
Chuny said:
You are just too sensitive. I haven't attacked you. I asked you a fair question.
But you don't like being questioned or challenged, you just want to be the one who challenges others.


It's been proven that trying to have a back and forth conversation with you about this game is close to impossible, because you start getting on the defensive and feeling attacked. While most of us agree or disagree all the time in this forum. Hence, I've chosen to add you to my ignore list from now on.
So see you later, Gabe.
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Again you try to stuff down my throat things because i disagreed with you earlier and you couldnt give me a simple answer and reason, same for this other guy. Or maybe hes your second account :D Its easier to call me Konami defender, a guy whos agenda is clear and dont see any flaws in the game. And you wonder i dont put up with that? And you just glad you found one person who acts the same immature way rather than explaining yourself. If you look up the recent post many people here are with common sense and open to have light hearted conversation. I think you two are too sensitive attacking right after someone questioning you :')

Althoug if youd have look up ONE thread youd know what i think about the game. But you guys clearly dont do such thing and dont care about facts you just talk bout stuff if theye were facts... its easier to moan i guess then walk away with labeling people.

But still any time you two have the proof of these horrible bugs please share them with us. We should send them to Konami then. ;)
 
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makavelli963 said:
There should be an option to turn off TS in Master League. No harm in having that choice.
Master League is a mess with the amount of scripting matches are influenced by.
PES2017 felt like it had less scripting in ML but that could be just iffy memory.
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Agree. Although currently im playing league mode and some matches feel pretty much the same as in ML. Not as many thankfully but some times my eyes roll back in my head so hard.
 
makavelli963 said:
There should be an option to turn off TS in Master League. No harm in having that choice.
Master League is a mess with the amount of scripting matches are influenced by.
PES2017 felt like it had less scripting in ML but that could be just iffy memory.
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Been playing this game since ISSPE on the PS1. Career modes always played differently from exhibition matches. It's just part of the DNA, I guess something about Seabass wanting "to tell us a story" or something.

More options would be great, however. Option to turn off replays (or make it "opt in" rather than "opt out"), option to decide which side kicks off, sliders perhaps, option to tune stats and tactics of all players/teams globally.

I could think of many more, but let's be serious: it ain't going to happen. Konami has never much applied a user-centered approach to their products.
 
Rodchenko said:
Been playing this game since ISSPE on the PS1. Career modes always played differently from exhibition matches. It's just part of the DNA, I guess something about Seabass wanting "to tell us a story" or something.

More options would be great, however. Option to turn off replays (or make it "opt in" rather than "opt out"), option to decide which side kicks off, sliders perhaps, option to tune stats and tactics of all players/teams globally.

I could think of many more, but let's be serious: it ain't going to happen. Konami has never much applied a user-centered approach to their products.
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Has anyone still not figured a way out to play PES games in exhibition mode but have a "league/master league" running outside the game?

E.g. champ manager runs the league and the player plays the scheduled game in PES and then enters the score in champ.

I asked this in the past - wonder if there were any updates on this
 
Alx1234 said:
Has anyone still not figured a way out to play PES games in exhibition mode but have a "league/master league" running outside the game?

E.g. champ manager runs the league and the player plays the scheduled game in PES and then enters the score in champ.

I asked this in the past - wonder if there were any updates on this
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I believe it is from much complicated to inevitable. How will you tune the two games databases?If you just play and keep the score only there is no immersion, injuries,transfers, development/decline. It is like you play friendlies and keep the records in a notebook paper written by hand or if you create a special excel.But after all these why to "torture" yourself so much to play a season . Just play the current one or the vscom mode which keeps records like the old community gane mode with less depth.
 
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Alx1234 said:
Has anyone still not figured a way out to play PES games in exhibition mode but have a "league/master league" running outside the game?

E.g. champ manager runs the league and the player plays the scheduled game in PES and then enters the score in champ.

I asked this in the past - wonder if there were any updates on this
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I thought about it, but there's just no joy in it.
What would happen if you win the title? No celebration, no nothing? Just lame mate.
 
Chuny said:
I thought about it, but there's just no joy in it.
What would happen if you win the title? No celebration, no nothing? Just lame mate.
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I used to do this when I was a kid on ISS.
Since there were only International Teams there I assigned every team to a club. Had a notebook with few main european leagues and was playing every game, making kits before the match. I was playing home teams and COM was always away. Every in-game player had my notebook representative (took all team squads from FIFA). I was recording cards, goals, everything. Then doing Champions league.
I was playing this "imaginary" football leagues for years. :LOL:
Ah, the memories!
It was a great fun to play it this way, but I think I'll take the momentum and dumb AI now. Life is way too hectic and im way to lazy. :LOL:
Dont take it too seriously, guys. Its still a pretty solid football game, especially when you have the ball. Play few games, dont worry about results and you can still get your football fix this way.
 
slamsoze said:
I believe it is from much complicated to inevitable. How will you tune the two games databases?If you just play and keep the score only there is no immersion, injuries,transfers, development/decline. It is like you play friendlies and keep the records in a notebook paper written by hand or if you create a special excel.But after all these why to "torture" yourself so much to play a season . Just play the current one or the vscom mode which keeps records like the old community gane mode with less depth.
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i understand you but i cannot help think that there is a football gaming heaven there in front of us yet nobody is quite seeing it or has the time to see it.

my hypothetical gaming heaven =
a footballl gaming setup with football manager running on the PC. you manage your team here.
when matchday comes you replicate the teams by editing line-up in PES exhibition mode
you take the score and other details like scorers/red/yellow cards input it into FM.
FM reacts to the score. Continue.


Pure bliss

[obviously one game that just did all of this would be even more blissful but i don't see it ever happening]
 
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Alx1234 said:
i understand you but i cannot help think that there is a football gaming heaven there in front of us yet nobody is quite seeing it or has the time to see it.

my hypothetical gaming heaven =
a footballl gaming setup with football manager running on the PC. you manage your team here.
when matchday comes you replicate the teams by editing line-up in PES exhibition mode
you take the score and other details like scorers/red/yellow cards input it into FM.
FM reacts to the score. Continue.


Pure bliss

[obviously one game that just did all of this would be even more blissful but i don't see it ever happening]
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I understand you too and I agree with you but it is questionable how much you can enjoy since the effort and time is need from you maybe bigger than the amusement you will take.
Even now in the current state of game with editing,although I love editing the game for hours and try things, there are times I wonder after so much hours of editing and hard work in game, if it is ok to pay for the game or if I should be paid for playing pes!! :P
 
Shazyp while your game Old Firm Derby was a rout, I played one last night between the two as Rangers XI, and left it late as scored winner at literally death - 94th minute.

As you can see from stats, very evenily played match......Probably one of the most enjoyable matches I have had on PES 2019 -- unlike so many that has me yelling curse words from all the scripting.

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