PES 2019 Discussion Thread (PS4, XB1)

Touch wood i can finally start, and enjoy, a proper ML save tomorrow. I am very encouraged by PES patch notes regarding AI. Some of the player face sneak peeks look top, too. Noticed no Naby Keita on the EPL sneak peeks but supposedly he is in? (i recall pes saying as much earlier in the game's cycle)
 
Chris Davies said:
Question(s) for everyone playing the game against the AI...

Do you feel a difference between playing against one AI team and the next? Or do you feel that they all approach each match the same way? Can you feel the difference between good teams and bad teams?

I have had limited playtime this year, I've not dedicated hours to the game because I immediately disliked the AI - but from what I played, I felt like every match was the same.

My concern is that the new patch comes along and fixes the low-cross nonsense etc. - but that there is still no difference in how each AI team plays. But am I wrong to think it does?
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The memory I have in my head from the first weeks since PES 2019 was released, was starting a Master League with Independiente and feeling a lot of difference compared to the Teams that were in the Demo.
You could really feel the heavy touches some of my players were taking, poor first touches, running low on stamina very quickly, inaccurate shots.

I haven't gone back to that Master League since those days, mostly because it felt so incomplete, with no real graphics package, only 2 stadiums from the Argentine Superliga, and players likenesses being so poorly represented.

But when you start playing either Master League or other game modes with different teams, specially teams participating in Champions League, they all play pretty much the same and all of those things I mentioned (which I think were very good in my ML with Independiente) are gone: No heavy touches, no stamina drain, nothing.
 
Emroth said:
I dont see the diffetence in styles tho. Like teams playing long ball, or wings, or attacking fullbacks.. I think this Low Crossing obsession was overwriting everything else.
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So if low-crossing was removed from the game right now (nothing else, just that) - you think differing team styles are there, but you've not seen them? This is the thing, I don't think low-crossing could remove evidence of, say, long-ball styles. You should see teams hitting ... well, long-balls, from back to front.

My concern is that low-crossing will be fixed, in as much as, the AI will try other things - but that doesn't mean they'll look at their tactics to do other things. I think it just means that all teams will do the same "other things".

If that makes sense...

Chuny said:
But when you start playing either Master League or other game modes with different teams, specially teams participating in Champions League, they all play pretty much the same and all of those things I mentioned (which I think were very good in my ML with Independiente) are gone: No heavy touches, no stamina drain, nothing.
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Good point.

Love the idea of "Team Spirit" - like, seriously love it. Great idea.

But I'm sure it's the main reason why it's so different (diluted?) to friendly matches.
 
Chris Davies said:
So if low-crossing was removed from the game right now (nothing else, just that) - you think differing team styles are there, but you've not seen them? This is the thing, I don't think low-crossing could remove evidence of, say, long-ball styles. You should see teams hitting ... well, long-balls, from back to front.

My concern is that low-crossing will be fixed, in as much as, the AI will try other things - but that doesn't mean they'll look at their tactics to do other things. I think it just means that all teams will do the same "other things".

If that makes sense...


Good point.

Love the idea of "Team Spirit" - like, seriously love it. Great idea.

But I'm sure it's the main reason why that "feels completely different from a friendly match" feeling exists.
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Exactly what will happen.
 
I agree.
I think that's because PES code lacks layering on the AI-side.
I don't know much about game dev, but I can picture it in my head like there's a lot of "if - then" missing in the code.
 
If Konami listen me Pes 2019 would have better presentation&atmosphere then other game. I sent to them many stuff for 9 years. Only copy&paste. Because only i wrote to them thousand times to make edited kits working online now we have it. If they listen me exactly what Pes need...
 
Chuny said:
Of course "Unique Presentation" could go from anything from A to Z. That's the point. Being vague allows them (and you, Konami Defenders) to be able to cover up their butts - "We never said scoreboards". "We never said that". "Show me proof". Lose-lose for us, the fans. Win-win for them, as long as there's people like you, not holding them responsible for misleading information. And that's the point too. Keyword: MISLEADING. The same thing they did with the Dynamic Lighting feature, shown at full light in the teaser trailer, then talked and bragged about on interviews and streams, and then the he-said-she-said again.

Again, if you want to be literal about it, it's OK. But I think most of us, associate "Unique Presentation" with something else beside a tiny little logo on the middle of the scoreboard, and that's the only thing that changes from exclusively-licensed-league to exclusively-licensed-league. Why do you even want licensed leagues so bad if you're gonna give them this treatment in the first place?-

Facts.
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Again no proof you are just raging and labeling me. Even tho i offered you an adult communication.

And even you say now im responsible you arent getting what you imagined you'd get?

You bet im out of this.
 
Chris Davies said:
So if low-crossing was removed from the game right now (nothing else, just that) - you think differing team styles are there, but you've not seen them? This is the thing, I don't think low-crossing could remove evidence of, say, long-ball styles. You should see teams hitting ... well, long-balls, from back to front.

My concern is that low-crossing will be fixed, in as much as, the AI will try other things - but that doesn't mean they'll look at their tactics to do other things. I think it just means that all teams will do the same "other things".

If that makes sense...
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I does make sense. Its just difficult to put on paper. Same here.

I do hope that - when low crosses are sorted and AI is more aggressive and looking for more opportunities/opennings to score, that will.... "set them free".

Im hoping that AI players, especially star players, will have a chance to show their skills - pace, shots from distance and hopefully dribbling.

Tactics are dynamic this year. I can see AI teams adjusting tactics and changing offensive/defensive mindset few times during matches.
So my hope is - individuality of AI players will determine playing style of the team and make the matches nice and engaging.

We have to remember that we are still basically playing vanilla version on Pes.
 
gabe.paul.logan said:
Again no proof you are just raging and labeling me. Even tho i offered you an adult communication.

And even you say now im responsible you arent getting what you imagined you'd get?

You bet im out of this.
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Where is my response not an adult one, man?.
Just because I'm calling you a Konami Defender (which in my eyes you are, by reading your posts whenever someone says something bad about PES)? If that label offends you, I'm sorry. I'll take it back. But aside from that bit, I think it's a pretty adult back-and-forth.
 
I dont get why every team has to play 'different' all the time to make the game 'real'.

I have a season ticket for my Championship team... 23 home games, my team play the same all the time in essence and 90% of the teams we play will play the same as each other. Some might bang it in the box quicker or more, but every team we will play will set up deep, set up to hit the ball in the box when they get the chance and will be happy to do nothing and give us possession.

I think everyone is expecting TV football... oh look Man City fanny around with it in fancy triangles, that must be what football really is. Well no its not, and no every team cant attack that way or will even try. The differences in football from game to game are minimal, there are extremes based on the teams who have vast wealth and can buy players to do different stuff, but the majority of football is played the same way by the same chuff week in week out.
 
Ill also ask this, Do you change your style dramatically based on who you are playing? Id be confident to say not, I bet most will continue to try and fancy their way around the pitch no matter if they are playing a team of midgets (ie going long would be easier) or giants.

So if as a player you will stick to your guns hoping to replicate Barcelona every week with Rotherham, why do you expect the AI to not try to do that?

The onus is on the player as much as the AI to create variety.
 
A little off topic but does anyone know of a website contatining a database with all current season kits across Europe?

I found one called Historical Kits but it only seems to list home kits, not the away, third and GK strips.
 
Thats a cracking site.

Just looking at the 80s Italian stuff on there, imagine, just imagine if someone could revamp PES into the 1980s, kits, players etc

What a decade of football.
 
Chris Davies said:
But not all of them, which is weird I think (some are trademarks I think, like Arsenal, but there are others that aren't IIRC). Just having "Manchester" for the two clubs is awkward, too.
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That's down to trademark as you say,in a few years there will be the same with player names to.
Can't understand why EA and 2k can share/have a two fully licensed basketball games and Konami/EA can't?,even if konami would put on their spending pants and bid for a PL/CL/EL/La Liga/Serie A licence,only one company can have those.
Worst time in history to be a consumer,when exclusives are bought and held on by one company.
Or trying to watch a 5 sec clip from random football game on twitter and "sorry not available in your region"
 
@Emroth agree on some teams/players are a nightmare to play against,and replicates a lot of what they do irl to.
Napoli/inter/Roma and not forgetting Juve,trying to keep Dybala/Mandzukic/Pjanic/Costs/Mr rape from scoring is a nightmare,difference for me Vs previous years is that tough teams are tough to beat on Pes 19,especially when playing manual Vs the CPU where your players aren't as snappy as the could be when playing PA1-3
 
rockstrongo said:
Can't understand why EA and 2k can share/have a two fully licensed basketball games and Konami/EA can't?
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i think that is because of the NBA itself, if EA or 2K could have the exclusive license they would get it, like EA did with the NFL, no NFL2K game for over 10 years still hurts
 
Chris Davies said:
I don't think so, but I'm struggling to remember if I'm being honest. Just a shame that most names are there but occasionally there'll be an odd one, e.g. Arsenal, Aston Villa, West Ham (which is there but pronounced "Westum"!) that isn't right.

Especially if you play as that team and have to listen to the wrong name every week - or if it's Manchester v Manchester and Manchester have got the ball and Manchester score against Manchester - it's a bit confusing...
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The reason they can put them in is because they're actual places in the UK. They can get away with it; Arsenal isn't in as it isn't a place.
 
xPJRx said:
I don't want to mention 'the other game' but this is one thing that it excels at especially this year, every match feels different and players really do feel like their real life counterparts.
Playing Man City last night after promotion to the Premier League, DeBruyne bossed midfield and I couldn't get near Aguero with my lumpy Nott'm Forest defenders. PES doesn't have that.
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Funny how much impressions differ. For me it's exactly opposite.
 
Mikhail said:
A little off topic but does anyone know of a website contatining a database with all current season kits across Europe?

I found one called Historical Kits but it only seems to list home kits, not the away, third and GK strips.
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It does all the English leagues home and away. Love that website being a major kit geek.
 
online is great now, 1 on 1 vs humans is a great experience. By far this is the best PES of this PS4 generation. Well done Konami.

Now, if they can look a bit at the online coop mode they can really do something special for 2020

few things it needs
1 - filter / my club teams vs my club teams, and not vs regular teams
2 - connection option like 1 on 1 (south american itnernet is so bad, especially on 3v3)
3 - day and night game options
4 - no more being able to play alone on this mode, 1 human vs 3 is not ok, should be 2 vs 2/3
 
kovy said:
i think that is because of the NBA itself, if EA or 2K could have the exclusive license they would get it, like EA did with the NFL, no NFL2K game for over 10 years still hurts
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You're right man,no NHL2K either when thinking.
But it's either the league or the company making it exclusive.
NBA is smart enough not to paint themselves into a corner,and EA/2k ju äntligen big enough to push NBA around either.
If I'd run PL/La Liga etc,I wouldn't sell any company any game exclusives,I would know my value and set the price high,but sell it to whom ever,maximise my product!
 
rockstrongo said:
You're right man,no NHL2K either when thinking.
But it's either the league or the company making it exclusive.
NBA is smart enough not to paint themselves into a corner,and EA/2k ju äntligen big enough to push NBA around either.
If I'd run PL/La Liga etc,I wouldn't sell any company any game exclusives,I would know my value and set the price high,but sell it to whom ever,maximise my product!
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That's the dream, imagine if there were no exclusive licences and any company could have a go if they had the money. We wouldn't be stuck with two football games for long after that.
 
Isslander said:
That's the dream, imagine if there were no exclusive licences and any company could have a go if they had the money. We wouldn't be stuck with two football games for long after that.
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That's why I don't get the policy from leagues,sounds like stupid business strategy,why limit a product?
Yeah I think it could open up for more/better games,that and getting rid of micro transaction,suddenly they have to rely on producing solid content instead
 
mehuk said:
Thats a cracking site.

Just looking at the 80s Italian stuff on there, imagine, just imagine if someone could revamp PES into the 1980s, kits, players etc

What a decade of football.
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Konami would steal my heart if they would add complete leagues from the 80's and 90's to the game. I wonder if EA's licences covers the retired players as well? Its not going to happen but I think it would really suite the PES brand and would set it apart against its competitor. Alas, we all know that instead they will just throw in a bunch of extra legends as clickbait for myclub and leave it at that. Only Seabass would dare.
 
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