PES 2019 Discussion Thread (PS4, XB1)

[Chuny]

Maybe you should read my reply again. Nik didn't prove him wrong. It's just a difference in what everybody interprets as "presentation". Is a league specific ball a form of presentation? Are the real commentators of each league a form of presentation? Live broadcasts with reporters from each country? You could go very deep with that "unique presentation" announcement. But the things I mention above will probably never happen, and you know that also because I don't see you complain about those parts missing from the game. But then you do about scoreboards. Why?

They have unique presentation elements for each licensed league: ball, tune, intro movie, badges on the kits, logo's etc. So it wasn't like they were lying. It's something that people made up because FIFA has it.
And about marketing, so you're saying in the last 34 years of my life, I'm wrong about it

Marketing is about promoting product or services. Thus, implying you need strategies for said promotion.
Lying about something that isn't there AT ALL, is a a strategy alright, but i t i s n o t m a r k e t i n g.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

If you're with Gabe on this one, you're just as wrong and as blinded as he is, because Nik has already proved him wrong.
And I love it when people claim stuff such as "that's just how marketing works", as if I'd lived in a bubble for the past 31 years of my life.
I've played other games. I've modded other games. I've studied marketing as part of my career. And no, that is NOT how marketing works.
In fact, I'm having trouble remembering when any other game developing company has said they have this and that on the game when it's nothing further from the truth. I can't really remember any other episode like this.

Cant see the proof of Nik anywhere. Am i missing something? Where's the proof of false advertisement regarding this? And please dont go around in circles that for you unique presentation means Fifa level of presentation. Because thats only an expectation....and thats pointed out above several times already.

Im out of this conversation if theres nothing specific as its getting to be ridicilous.

 

[sluuz]

Fine. Can you also reply on the actual point being made?

Same thing can be said about unique presentation. i t i s n o t s c o r e b o a r d s.

 

[Chuny]

Of course "Unique Presentation" could go from anything from A to Z. That's the point. Being vague allows them (and you, Konami Defenders) to be able to cover up their butts - "We never said scoreboards". "We never said that". "Show me proof". Lose-lose for us, the fans. Win-win for them, as long as there's people like you, not holding them responsible for misleading information. And that's the point too. Keyword: MISLEADING. The same thing they did with the Dynamic Lighting feature, shown at full light in the teaser trailer, then talked and bragged about on interviews and streams, and then the he-said-she-said again.

Again, if you want to be literal about it, it's OK. But I think most of us, associate "Unique Presentation" with something else beside a tiny little logo on the middle of the scoreboard, and that's the only thing that changes from exclusively-licensed-league to exclusively-licensed-league. Why do you even want licensed leagues so bad if you're gonna give them this treatment in the first place?-

Facts.

 

[Emroth]

Why do you even want licensed leagues so bad if you're gonna give them this treatment in the first place?

That I dont get at all...if they brought EVERY league in europe the way they do Premier League, with fake league and team names, everybody would be better of.
OF would sort it out for us and they would save a lot of money.
Whats the point of licensing leagues if they dont do anything with them?

 

[sluuz]

Of course "Unique Presentation" could go from anything from A to Z. That's the point. Being vague allows them (and you, Konami Defenders) to be able to cover up their butts - "We never said scoreboards". "We never said that". "Show me proof". Lose-lose for us, the fans. Win-win for them, as long as there's people like you, not holding them responsible for misleading information. And that's the point too. Keyword: MISLEADING. The same thing they did with the Dynamic Lighting feature, shown at full light in the teaser trailer, then talked and bragged about on interviews and streams, and then the he-said-she-said again.

Again, if you want to be literal about it, it's OK. But I think most of us, associate "Unique Presentation" with something else beside a tiny little logo on the middle of the scoreboard, and that's the only thing that changes from exclusively-licensed-league to exclusively-licensed-league. Why do you even want licensed leagues so bad if you're gonna give them this treatment in the first place?-

Facts.

Great reply. Too bad you're calling me a Konami defender, because I'm not. You're right about the Dynamic Lighting feature. They said it was in, then half-assed it into the final product. That's misleading in my book since it was also in the trailer. The thing that started this whole discussion was that I said there was never any mention of real scoreboards while people (like you) said there was. You perceived it that way from the words "unique presentation".

Look at this, I tweeted this to Asim on the 25th of July, never got an answer. For me, it was clear it wasn't in.

I also think it's a bit silly so say that licensed leagues are rubbish if there's not even scoreboards. I mean, having all the kits, logo's, commentary names and such accounts for something right? Saves some work for the editors of option files. Otherwise we would have to wait months more for a complete option file. "Exclusive" in this context only means that FIFA doesn't have it. The only exclusive league PES has is the Russian League. So in fact all other leagues are just "licensed leagues".

 

[Chuny]

The thing that started this whole discussion was that I said there was never any mention of real scoreboards while people (like you) said there was. You perceived it that way from the words "unique presentation".

Level with me and be honest: Do you even consider "Unique Presentation" valid yourself when you go play PES 2019 and play a Russian league (licensed) game, for example?. Do you see ANY "uniqueness" in it? Do you see any "presentation" at all in it?. Be honest. Where's the "Unique Presentation"?. This is not a battle between you and me. This is a battle between a Company that's struggling to keep up with what they promise, and us, the fans, who want a better game IN ALL areas, because the game is still sold as a Class-A game, you know?. 60 Dollars ain't cheap. They haven't lowered the price given the poor content, have they?.

I also think it's a bit silly so say that licensed leagues are rubbish if there's not even scoreboards. I mean, having all the kits, logo's, commentary names and such accounts for something right? Saves some work for the editors of option files. Otherwise we would have to wait months more for a complete option file. "Exclusive" in this context only means that FIFA doesn't have it. The only exclusive league PES has is the Russian League. So in fact all other leagues are just "licensed leagues".

If you play the game on PC then probably yes. It is a bit silly to call them rubbish.
But if you're on either console, then I have to say it is a big deal. A realistic graphics package for each of the licensed leagues is 50% of the experience. And you can't mess with any of that on PS4 or XB1.
Because you could import kits and logos yourself and even create or download an Option File to have one of these leagues (replacing any of the existing ones). So, so much for "exclusiveness" there. But scoreboards, graphics package, atmosphere? Hmmm no. You can't get that on consoles, UNLESS Konami deliver that. Which is, in my opinion, what everybody understood from that "Unique Presentation" claim.

Me? I'm on PC.
We have Scoreboard Server, Kits Server, New stadiums, New Turfs, Official Balls for each league, better and more Call Names, Snowy turfs on Snowy type of Weather (another - for Konami there), etc, etc, etc. But I'm not selfish. I don't just care if my game looks nice, I would like Konami to step up and deliver a realistic experience on all platforms without depending on the community.

 

[Emroth]

I also think it's a bit silly so say that licensed leagues are rubbish if there's not even scoreboards. I mean, having all the kits, logo's, commentary names and such accounts for something right? Saves some work for the editors of option files. Otherwise we would have to wait months more for a complete option file.

Dont know about that.
We do have commentary names in Premier League even tho its not licensed.
Plus - OF on PesUniverse was ready and complete on release day. We only had to wait for leagues that were created from scratch, like Bundesliga or Classic.
So no, we wouldnt have to wait months.

Im gonna persist on saying that if you are not planning to do, basically, anything with the leagues - save yourself few quid and let people do the rest.

The only advantage are stadiums, which probably will be there next year. So with stadiums they are just annoying people in this stage.
Give us fake leagues and stadium creator and we will have a complete (and better package) than Konami can ever deliver

 

[dillinjadale]

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This is a great manual organisation to play in.
We have 10 players and we're always looking for more.

 

[Chris Davies]

Dont know about that.
We do have commentary names in Premier League even tho its not licensed.

But not all of them, which is weird I think (some are trademarks I think, like Arsenal, but there are others that aren't IIRC). Just having "Manchester" for the two clubs is awkward, too.

 

[xPJRx]

Caught up on the last few pages, amusing reading the back and forth about stuff that Konami promised and never delivered. You can never seriously defend anything they've done this year as 'Marketing', all it has been is blatant lies, or half-assed implementation.

"All leagues have been given that time and attention, with unique presentation added. "
Really? where? apart from the transition graphic that swipes across the screen before and after replays, there is nothing, nothing at all to distinguish each licensed league.

Dynamic Enlighten Lighting Engine
Massively hyped in build up to release, shadows move across the stadium as the game progresses, sun position moves, in real-time lighting effect, day transitions to dusk or night, absolute BS.
All I've seen happen is in one specific south american stadium, just once, the game started in daylight, then after halftime suddenly switched to late-dusk with the floodlights on, no dynamics, just a switch, suddenly. half-assed.

Snow
Yet again another half-assed inclusion from 'Conami' - the Snow is just a wet pitch (plays identically to rain) with a snow falling overlay graphic. which is very poor and doesn't even look like snow.
Wheres the snow on the pitch, wheres the sliding and ball physics, wheres the default orange ball ?
And again, the PC community have released a proper snow patch with snow on the pitch, etc and it looks amazing, yet once again Conami are too lazy to implement it properly.

How it SHOULD look.

The thing that makes me laugh most is why bother buying up the licenses for 7, 8 or 9 new licensed leagues when all you do is include the teams and kits? No actual 'League' elements at all, except a replay graphic.
99% of MyClub players will never use these leagues, and Conami totally neglect offline, leaving ML to rot.
SO whats the point in the licenses? No stadiums, no broadcast elements, no specific league/country based adboards, no league specific commentary, what a complete waste of money.

 

[Isslander]

Gotta say, brutally honest, last few pages here have been rather dull. Suppose it's the calm before tomorrow's glorious storm. Will it be a warm breeze on a beach in Hawaii or a cat 5 hurricane of utter destruction?

 

[mehuk]

But not all of them, which is weird I think (some are trademarks I think, like Arsenal, but there are others that aren't IIRC). Just having "Manchester" for the two clubs is awkward, too.

I dont do much editing, but cant you set teams to 'City' or United? For example?

 

[Peter Withe]

Gotta say, brutally honest, last few pages here have been rather dull. Suppose it's the calm before tomorrow's glorious storm. Will it be a warm breeze on a beach in Hawaii or a cat 5 hurricane of utter destruction?

My honest opinion?

I think many of us will enjoy the gameplay after installing tomorrow’s patch yet still end up returning to fifa after a week or two simply because there’s not enough content in PES 2019.

That’s what I am predicting for myself. I might even get RDR2 and just forget about football gaming in fact.

And yeah I agree, last few pages has been depressing. We all know the game is terrible from a presentation point of view, let’s change the record now.

 

[Emroth]

SO whats the point in the licenses?

The only point was having counter argument for loosing Champions/Europa League.
"Yes, but we have 9 new licensed leagues! Pes never had so many!"

What they fail to understand is if they brought all leagues from Europe (fake ones) they would have even better response from people.
And marketing wise they could say
"We now have a D1 and D2 from every country in Europe! Pes never had so many teams!"
And everyone would be happier.

 

[mehuk]

Gotta say, brutally honest, last few pages here have been rather dull. Suppose it's the calm before tomorrow's glorious storm. Will it be a warm breeze on a beach in Hawaii or a cat 5 hurricane of utter destruction?

It does feel like that the potential of PES having something good come its way (tomorrow) has bought out those who love to hate the game.

You can bet that there is a fair percentage of people who are desperate for tomorrows patch to be a disaster and will be ready with a toothpick to rip apart just one thing, should they not see it the minute the game starts up for them.

 

[Isslander]

I am ready to embrace whatever comes tomorrow. Well, that sounds a bit weird but what I mean is, worst case scenario, I will play less football games for some months. So no real damage. But hey, Konami, I can also play some more football games as well, in case you deliver.

 

[Chuny]

It does feel like that the potential of PES having something good come its way (tomorrow) has bought out those who love to hate the game.

You can bet that there is a fair percentage of people who are desperate for tomorrows patch to be a disaster and will be ready with a toothpick to rip apart just one thing, should they not see it the minute the game starts up for them.

I don't think people have an agenda to pursuit on this forum.
I can't imagine anyone in here waiting for the patch to fail so that they can come here afterwards and say "HA! I TOLD YOU!".

What I see is people being objective. I see many of us finally stopped making excuses for Konami. Or being too understanding for their actions. Which is what we have done for the past 4 years.

I always try to keep it real to myself. I will like it if I like it and I will say it here, just like I have when they've done things right (levelling PES 2018 on PC to the Consoles Version or giving a lot of praises to PES 2017 at the time). But if I don't, I won't have any problems coming here and saying it, no matter what the rest of you think I'm doing.
One thing is for sure, I'm done believing them. I'm doing excusing them. From now on, I will scrutinise every word they say, every claim they make. As soon as they get caught up in a lie, I will bring it up here, like I've been doing. Because I paid for their product and I am entitled to demand what they were offering.

 

[Chris Davies]

I dont do much editing, but cant you set teams to 'City' or United? For example?

I don't think so, but I'm struggling to remember if I'm being honest. Just a shame that most names are there but occasionally there'll be an odd one, e.g. Arsenal, Aston Villa, West Ham (which is there but pronounced "Westum"!) that isn't right.

Especially if you play as that team and have to listen to the wrong name every week - or if it's Manchester v Manchester and Manchester have got the ball and Manchester score against Manchester - it's a bit confusing...

 

[real022]

Every match become the same, dull, bland experience very fast.

By adding some dynamic details during the match (and by fixing some AI flaws), we could have a really nice game.

Right now it is so bare bone.

Custom patch or OF can cheer up atmosphere a bit, but still not enough.

 

[Chris Davies]

Question(s) for everyone playing the game against the AI...

Do you feel a difference between playing against one AI team and the next? Or do you feel that they all approach each match the same way? Can you feel the difference between good teams and bad teams?

I have had limited playtime this year, I've not dedicated hours to the game because I immediately disliked the AI - but from what I played, I felt like every match was the same.

My concern is that the new patch comes along and fixes the low-cross nonsense etc. - but that there is still no difference in how each AI team plays. But am I wrong to think it does?

 

[xPJRx]

I don't think so, but I'm struggling to remember if I'm being honest. Just a shame that most names are there but occasionally there'll be an odd one, e.g. Arsenal, Aston Villa, West Ham (which is there but pronounced "Westum"!) that isn't right.

Especially if you play as that team and have to listen to the wrong name every week - or if it's Manchester v Manchester and Manchester have got the ball and Manchester score against Manchester - it's a bit confusing...

You can't set teams to City or Utd or anything other than selecting a name from the predefined list.
I'm from Milton Keynes, I edited MK Dons into the game, MK DOns were a championship team only a few seasons ago, but there's no 'Milton Keynes' in the city names list, but we have 'Barnstaple' That footballing monolith from Devon !!!!

And who in their right mind scripted the commentators to say West Hame as 'Westum' ?!!?

I'm certainly not hoping that the patch fails so that I can say told you so, I want PES to be as good as possible, but as I previously said, the time has come where Konami get no leeway anymore, years of lies, false promises ripping out the heart of the game and delivering half assed, lazy unfinished products has taken its toll as a consumer.
The patch absolutely needs to deliver, on every point, with no knock-on effects.

Its already been 3 months of an unusable product after paying full price, after paying my own good money and spending my own time and effort creating a website, designing kits for the community for free etc, so this patch MUST deliver.
Its already bad enough that promised things were not included, that we were blatantly lied to by offical Konami staff, and that we have to wait months to Get things like Ibrox and Celtic Park, to go with the 'licensed' SPL (licensed in Konami terms means a replay graphic).

In this day and age, releasing a product that is pretty much broken for 3 months, then having to wait for a patch to fix it, and then only getting promised content such as DLC's and stadiums 4-6 months after release is simply unacceptable.

 

[xPJRx]

Question(s) for everyone playing the game against the AI...

Do you feel a difference between playing against one AI team and the next? Or do you feel that they all approach each match the same way? Can you feel the difference between good teams and bad teams?

I have had limited playtime this year, I've not dedicated hours to the game because I immediately disliked the AI - but from what I played, I felt like every match was the same.

My concern is that the new patch comes along and fixes the low-cross nonsense etc. - but that there is still no difference in how each AI team plays. But am I wrong to think it does?

Absolutely 100% Chris - PES's biggest single fault is this, and was last year.
I've said it many many times over, all teams play the same, no team stands out, playing Rotherham in the Championship is exactly the same experience as playing Bayern in the Champions League.
Key players with individual traits such as Hazard, Salah, Dybala etc do NOT stand out, playing against the COM against say Chelsea, Hazard should torment you with his low centre of gravity, dribbling ab ility, snap shots from around the box, but he doesn't, he doesn't stand out any more than Luiz, or Azpilucueta. Same for every team.

ML is now so boring because starting in the championship and slogging it out feels no different from playing the worlds best teams in europe.

I don't want to mention 'the other game' but this is one thing that it excels at especially this year, every match feels different and players really do feel like their real life counterparts.
Playing Man City last night after promotion to the Premier League, DeBruyne bossed midfield and I couldn't get near Aguero with my lumpy Nott'm Forest defenders. PES doesn't have that.

 

[Emroth]

Question(s) for everyone playing the game against the AI...

Do you feel a difference between playing against one AI team and the next? Or do you feel that they all approach each match the same way? Can you feel the difference between good teams and bad teams?

I have had limited playtime this year, I've not dedicated hours to the game because I immediately disliked the AI - but from what I played, I felt like every match was the same.

My concern is that the new patch comes along and fixes the low-cross nonsense etc. - but that there is still no difference in how each AI team plays. But am I wrong to think it does?

Its a tough one, Chris.
I feel the difference, but only persona-wise. In example - playing against Juventus, Ronaldo was shinning throughout the match, he was always a threat.
Playing against Liverpool, Salah did the same.

I see the diffetence in weaker teams as they start the match defensively and focus on counters.
On a flip side Man City for example goes straight to attacking with Arrow Up settings.

I dont see the diffetence in styles tho. Like teams playing long ball, or wings, or attacking fullbacks.. I think this Low Crossing obsession was overwriting everything else.

Of course it would be nice seeying more various playstyles, to feel the teams more, but providing that patch fixes low crossing and adds shots from distance it should play well and keep me happy.
Little bit of individuality from players would be lovely too. Ronaldo or Hazard should terrorise us with their skills.

I have to say - I keep playing it, even pre patch and Im enjoying it. So whatever the patch does I cant see it being worse. I think I will still enjoy it, probably much more than now. At this stage, pre fixes, I like it much more than Pes18.

Apologies in advance for next question. You dont have to answer so we dont go off topic again.
Do you see the difference in teams in the other game? Coz I dont see much there either.

 

[falcom4ever]

Really? where? apart from the transition graphic that swipes across the screen before and after replays, there is nothing, nothing at all to distinguish each licensed league.

The cinematics and the adboards?

 

[Emroth]

I don't want to mention 'the other game' but this is one thing that it excels at especially this year, every match feels different and players really do feel like their real life counterparts.
Playing Man City last night after promotion to the Premier League, DeBruyne bossed midfield and I couldn't get near Aguero with my lumpy Nott'm Forest defenders. PES doesn't have that.

There is just one thing id like to say on that.
In Pes there is thinner line between stars and "regular" players. Its much more ballanced. Ronaldo, Hazard or Hamsik are always a threat. They are always dangerous when on the ball. Their crosses or shots are deadly. But its not like they can dribble pass the whole team. And I like it this way. They are not OP super humans.
Each to their own but I dont like how the other game make superstars OP. If you're a good player you can basically dance through the defense, then flip the ball and have a scissor kick goal. That shit just doesnt happen in real life.

 

[PESSIMON]

Question(s) for everyone playing the game against the AI...

Do you feel a difference between playing against one AI team and the next? Or do you feel that they all approach each match the same way? Can you feel the difference between good teams and bad teams?

I have had limited playtime this year, I've not dedicated hours to the game because I immediately disliked the AI - but from what I played, I felt like every match was the same.

My concern is that the new patch comes along and fixes the low-cross nonsense etc. - but that there is still no difference in how each AI team plays. But am I wrong to think it does?

The only match that felt differently from the rest was against Hamilton Academical. And that wasn't because of their playstyle, but because of their 1.65m long keeper.

All jokes aside though, every match feels the same except for some CL or EL matches which you are predetermined to lose.

 

[Thespeedster84]

A unique presentation where you probably miss.. a league icon on the scoreboard. Promise done.

 

[xPJRx]

There is just one thing id like to say on that.
In Pes there is thinner line between stars and "regular" players. Its much more ballanced. Ronaldo, Hazard or Hamsik are always a threat. They are always dangerous when on the ball. Their crosses or shots are deadly. But its not like they can dribble pass the whole team. And I like it this way. They are not OP super humans.
Each to their own but I dont like how the other game make superstars OP. If you're a good player you can basically dance through the defense, then flip the ball and have a scissor kick goal. That shit just doesnt happen in real life.

Disagree respectfully.
I don't see 'star' players standing out at all in PES, ever.
Last year, PES 18, I beat Real Madrid 11-1 on agg in the UCL on SS level, Bale and Ronaldo were anonymous, the entire game. May as well have been called Player 1 and Player 2.
In the Final, 3-1 win against Bayern, Did they play crosses in to the tall and deadly target men like Muller? Nope.
They played same as Crystal Palace played in the league game before hand.
Same this year. No variation, no standout players who play true to life.

 

[Emroth]

Disagree respectfully.
I don't see 'star' players standing out at all in PES, ever.
Last year, PES 18, I beat Real Madrid 11-1 on agg in the UCL on SS level, Bale and Ronaldo were anonymous, the entire game.

I have quite an opposite experience. Last year, when I was playing against Napoli, Hamsik was wrecking my head. To a point where, whenever I was facing Napoli in serie A, I was double Marking him before match start.
I agree with you, that it would be nice to see more dribbling and skills from star players.
But lack of dribbling and skills is general issue for every player, which hopefully will be fixed by upcoming patch.
There is also a fine ballance that has to be kept there. And I think other game went a bit too far there making stars too OP.