- 15 August 2003
Liverpool Thread
- Thread starter Misfit
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Re: Liverpool Thread
think he has more chance of winning the league than everton do of winning anything at all
think he has more chance of winning the league than everton do of winning anything at all
Re: Liverpool Thread
Hey I want to know the situation about Kewell, a couple of days ago I saw that he's almost back in training, while reading to tomorrow's game, he's a long term absentee. Which one is right?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7054218.stm
Hey I want to know the situation about Kewell, a couple of days ago I saw that he's almost back in training, while reading to tomorrow's game, he's a long term absentee. Which one is right?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7054218.stm
Re: Liverpool Thread
I've seen pictures of him training before the Everton game.
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Thare he is!
I've seen pictures of him training before the Everton game.
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Thare he is!
Re: Liverpool Thread
No, Mark is not a mate of mine I'm glad to say. It does seem Liverpool already have adopted a close relationship with the gentleman. This is the same Mark Clattenburg that travelled with Liverpool to Hong kong for the asian tour last summer. So it does make it a bit suspicious.
Gerrard does have a right to talk to the ref but it just seemed rather classless and sly to get the opposition player sent off like he did.
When you see the incident, the referee does the following: pulls out his yellow card (from his hip pocket), looks at it, (and seems to be happy he has taken the right one). May I add that I am aware that a number of refs keep the red and yellow card in different pockets. This is done so that the linesmen and 4th official etc know when the ref is going to send someone off as oppossed to cautioning them.
Anyway back to the incident. Clattenberg then makes a come here gesture presumably at Hibbert, takes several steps back, or two back while reaching into his top pocket for his pen, and prepares to write. As he is doing this, Gerrard is going over to him. He appears to respond to something Gerrard is doing or saying in his approach with a sideways head shake, Gerrard looks at him disgustedly and raises his arms slightly in an appealing gesture having already gotten the penalty and aware Hibbert is being booked because he is called over and the referee has taken his card out. It is also likely Gerrard can see it is a yellow but isn’t satatisfied with the ref's decision. The only reason to appeal is to get the ref to give a red. Gerrard walks further past petulantly having already been given a penalty but assuming he didnt get the player sent off by his dive he then gets the ref to put the yellow back in his pocket gestures for Hibbert again and then shows the red. Then Gerrard comes back past the ref reaching his arm out to grasp Veronin in congratulations for his actions like the sly dog that he is.
Now tell me, what kind of message does that send out to little kids watching aspiring to be footballers? It shows that you should do your best to influence the ref to send of a fellow professional like a snitch. The thing is, I could understand Gerrard having a word with the ref if the guy did a very harsh career threatening challenge, but it was two of the players going in 50/50 and both players were tugging eachothers shirts. The ref had already given a penalty and that should have been enough. But Gerrard sees it fit to remind the ref to send him off. Also Gerrard changing clattenburgs decision means he's a ref that can be got at, bullied and it's clear his position should be untenable. He cost Everton the game. Speaking of referes, I getting sick of them giving favourable soft decisions everytime to the ‘big four’clubs every time. I believe the standard of refs is a joke in this country. On evidence of Clattenburgs disgraceful biased display, I think he should seriously pack it in and go work in Macdonald's or KFC or go back to petrol pumping. That's about his level because he knows naff all about the rules of the game or how to officiate a match in a fair manner
If your talking about players surrounding referees when decisions do not go their way than that’s a complete different argument. But talking to the ref to get opposition player sent off is just the lowest of the low . I mean Sir Alex shouting at the ref to red card Joe Cole in the Man Utd vs Chelsea is a prime example of justly calling for someone to be sent off. In those instances, managers mainly call for sending off in cases of dangerous tackles not techincal issues or 50/50s where it is a close decision like the nothing incidents with Gerrard and Hibbert. In Gerrard's case, it was pure gamesmanship getting a fellow profesional sent off for his teams advantage not becuase justice was not served as the penalty and yellow card was sufficient enough.
However well done that’s very honest of you to admit Gerrard dives. Many blickered fans would have you believe he is Mr Personality of year. They like to pretend he doesn’t go to ground easily when he blatantly does. Its just the press brush it under the carpet when Gerrard wins debatable penalties as he is englands golden boy. It's the aura of the English national team hero. Alan Shearer was also one who was able to escape public scrutiny. He would get away with kicking someone in the head a few years ago and got away with a lot of elbow challenges late in his career. Now Gerrard gets to be teacher's pet and given rights to overrule referess during games.
No, Mark is not a mate of mine I'm glad to say. It does seem Liverpool already have adopted a close relationship with the gentleman. This is the same Mark Clattenburg that travelled with Liverpool to Hong kong for the asian tour last summer. So it does make it a bit suspicious.
Gerrard does have a right to talk to the ref but it just seemed rather classless and sly to get the opposition player sent off like he did.
When you see the incident, the referee does the following: pulls out his yellow card (from his hip pocket), looks at it, (and seems to be happy he has taken the right one). May I add that I am aware that a number of refs keep the red and yellow card in different pockets. This is done so that the linesmen and 4th official etc know when the ref is going to send someone off as oppossed to cautioning them.
Anyway back to the incident. Clattenberg then makes a come here gesture presumably at Hibbert, takes several steps back, or two back while reaching into his top pocket for his pen, and prepares to write. As he is doing this, Gerrard is going over to him. He appears to respond to something Gerrard is doing or saying in his approach with a sideways head shake, Gerrard looks at him disgustedly and raises his arms slightly in an appealing gesture having already gotten the penalty and aware Hibbert is being booked because he is called over and the referee has taken his card out. It is also likely Gerrard can see it is a yellow but isn’t satatisfied with the ref's decision. The only reason to appeal is to get the ref to give a red. Gerrard walks further past petulantly having already been given a penalty but assuming he didnt get the player sent off by his dive he then gets the ref to put the yellow back in his pocket gestures for Hibbert again and then shows the red. Then Gerrard comes back past the ref reaching his arm out to grasp Veronin in congratulations for his actions like the sly dog that he is.
Now tell me, what kind of message does that send out to little kids watching aspiring to be footballers? It shows that you should do your best to influence the ref to send of a fellow professional like a snitch. The thing is, I could understand Gerrard having a word with the ref if the guy did a very harsh career threatening challenge, but it was two of the players going in 50/50 and both players were tugging eachothers shirts. The ref had already given a penalty and that should have been enough. But Gerrard sees it fit to remind the ref to send him off. Also Gerrard changing clattenburgs decision means he's a ref that can be got at, bullied and it's clear his position should be untenable. He cost Everton the game. Speaking of referes, I getting sick of them giving favourable soft decisions everytime to the ‘big four’clubs every time. I believe the standard of refs is a joke in this country. On evidence of Clattenburgs disgraceful biased display, I think he should seriously pack it in and go work in Macdonald's or KFC or go back to petrol pumping. That's about his level because he knows naff all about the rules of the game or how to officiate a match in a fair manner
If your talking about players surrounding referees when decisions do not go their way than that’s a complete different argument. But talking to the ref to get opposition player sent off is just the lowest of the low . I mean Sir Alex shouting at the ref to red card Joe Cole in the Man Utd vs Chelsea is a prime example of justly calling for someone to be sent off. In those instances, managers mainly call for sending off in cases of dangerous tackles not techincal issues or 50/50s where it is a close decision like the nothing incidents with Gerrard and Hibbert. In Gerrard's case, it was pure gamesmanship getting a fellow profesional sent off for his teams advantage not becuase justice was not served as the penalty and yellow card was sufficient enough.
However well done that’s very honest of you to admit Gerrard dives. Many blickered fans would have you believe he is Mr Personality of year. They like to pretend he doesn’t go to ground easily when he blatantly does. Its just the press brush it under the carpet when Gerrard wins debatable penalties as he is englands golden boy. It's the aura of the English national team hero. Alan Shearer was also one who was able to escape public scrutiny. He would get away with kicking someone in the head a few years ago and got away with a lot of elbow challenges late in his career. Now Gerrard gets to be teacher's pet and given rights to overrule referess during games.
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vanzandt
The answer must be Jam
- 26 July 2007
- Team
- Everton
Re: Liverpool Thread
Totally correct mate and I for one do not blame Gerrard at all for going up to the ref, just what the ref did after that which has nothing to do with Gerrard.
Totally correct mate and I for one do not blame Gerrard at all for going up to the ref, just what the ref did after that which has nothing to do with Gerrard.
Re: Liverpool Thread
and would you have been complaining if it had happened at the other end?
ref had decided it was a penalty, hibbert was the last man and it was a goal scoring chance, a yellow would've been the wrong decision, if it had been one of ours then i'd have had no complaints, even if the ref changed his mind to go from yellow to red
can't understand why hibbert didn't just leave him anyway, he'd sprinted from his own area, he was going at full pelt and the ball was on his left, odds are he'd have blasted it into the park end anyway
and would you have been complaining if it had happened at the other end?
ref had decided it was a penalty, hibbert was the last man and it was a goal scoring chance, a yellow would've been the wrong decision, if it had been one of ours then i'd have had no complaints, even if the ref changed his mind to go from yellow to red
can't understand why hibbert didn't just leave him anyway, he'd sprinted from his own area, he was going at full pelt and the ball was on his left, odds are he'd have blasted it into the park end anyway
vanzandt
The answer must be Jam
- 26 July 2007
- Team
- Everton
Re: Liverpool Thread
Not sure who this is to?
I have just said I didn't blame Gerrard, just what the referee then acted on- in changing his mind.
You asked would you have moaned if it was up the other end.
I can say that if it was me, I would be happy to get what I would see as a dodgy piece of refereeing go my way. I would be annoyed if people were slagging my player off were spoke to the ref but....
and this is the crucial difference here;
I would admit that the ref was still a plonker who got it wrong.
Just so happens I'd be glad he did in our favour.....get me?
Not sure who this is to?
I have just said I didn't blame Gerrard, just what the referee then acted on- in changing his mind.
You asked would you have moaned if it was up the other end.
I can say that if it was me, I would be happy to get what I would see as a dodgy piece of refereeing go my way. I would be annoyed if people were slagging my player off were spoke to the ref but....
and this is the crucial difference here;
I would admit that the ref was still a plonker who got it wrong.
Just so happens I'd be glad he did in our favour.....get me?
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DagsJT
Guest
Re: Liverpool Thread
That's not Stephen Gerrard mate, it's his cousin. Even my bitter bluenose mate knows that, nice try though
YEH YEH mate listen cahill vaughan gravesen all injured! yak looks less tham ordinary, think this derby will be very close and a cracker, may the best team win.
That's not Stephen Gerrard mate, it's his cousin. Even my bitter bluenose mate knows that, nice try though
TikTikTikTikTik
*****
- 7 August 2004
- Team
- Liverpool
Re: Liverpool Thread
Hmm, where to start? So: But talking to the ref to get opposition player sent off is just the lowest of the low. Agree
But: I mean Sir Alex shouting at the ref to red card Joe Cole in the Man Utd vs Chelsea is a prime example of justly calling for someone to be sent off.
So it depends on the tackle/offense whether its justified or not? Dont talk bollocks, in both cases its the lowest of the low, together with diving. Its up to the ref to decide what action to take and players and managers should stay out of it and let them do their job.
Players hounding a ref is another matter indeed, however the reaction to gerrard having a word with the ref would make you think he had gone after him with an axe when you look at the relative acceptance of the chelsea/manu hounding that goes on. And it seems even more hypocritical when the people moaning the loudest (besides the bluenoses who have every right imo) are supporters from clubs that have a far longer and worse history of doing it. Thats what my point was, any attempt to manipulate the ref by unfair means is horrible; diving, asking for cards, shouting from the touchline. Its all the same no matter what the offense.
However I agree with the whole gerrard can do no wrong, in the same way Shearer could get away with elbowing in most challenges. Thats one of the reasons I dont read any redtops, visit sites that show some objectivity and try to have the commentary turned off when possible.
I dont know if any of you have the means, but watching a match without some buffoon talking nonsense is such a more pleasent experience. You hear the fans and managers shouting which is nice. And even better you dont hear some commentator talk nonsense when the replays/game show its something else.
Lawro; "Yeah it was the power of riise shot that broke smiths leg. *replay showing the ball hit the other leg and he fell awkwardly on the other leg* "Yeah look, see how his leg bends when the ball hits hit, he gets some power on his shots does riise".
Or something along those lines, another is andy gray, wow he talks shit. The last CL match he was commentating on Liverpool and started the match with, "We wont be commentating on the rotation policies as its been discussed enough". 5min later, and for the rest of the match all they talk about is the rotation. Just shoot them, shoot them all!
I realise I have an above average intellect, and I realise they have to comment for the common denominator but is the average viewer so f$%king thick?! A few years ago I was a member of an High IQ site, I just make the cut
, and when browsing the forums the amount of people on there that had medication for anti depression, up/downs, and all that stuff was so surprising. However nowedays I realise that if I was more intelligent the world and its inhabitants would be even more frustrating! I can barely cope now!
Hmm, where to start? So: But talking to the ref to get opposition player sent off is just the lowest of the low. Agree
But: I mean Sir Alex shouting at the ref to red card Joe Cole in the Man Utd vs Chelsea is a prime example of justly calling for someone to be sent off.
So it depends on the tackle/offense whether its justified or not? Dont talk bollocks, in both cases its the lowest of the low, together with diving. Its up to the ref to decide what action to take and players and managers should stay out of it and let them do their job.
Players hounding a ref is another matter indeed, however the reaction to gerrard having a word with the ref would make you think he had gone after him with an axe when you look at the relative acceptance of the chelsea/manu hounding that goes on. And it seems even more hypocritical when the people moaning the loudest (besides the bluenoses who have every right imo) are supporters from clubs that have a far longer and worse history of doing it. Thats what my point was, any attempt to manipulate the ref by unfair means is horrible; diving, asking for cards, shouting from the touchline. Its all the same no matter what the offense.
However I agree with the whole gerrard can do no wrong, in the same way Shearer could get away with elbowing in most challenges. Thats one of the reasons I dont read any redtops, visit sites that show some objectivity and try to have the commentary turned off when possible.
I dont know if any of you have the means, but watching a match without some buffoon talking nonsense is such a more pleasent experience. You hear the fans and managers shouting which is nice. And even better you dont hear some commentator talk nonsense when the replays/game show its something else.
Lawro; "Yeah it was the power of riise shot that broke smiths leg. *replay showing the ball hit the other leg and he fell awkwardly on the other leg* "Yeah look, see how his leg bends when the ball hits hit, he gets some power on his shots does riise".
Or something along those lines, another is andy gray, wow he talks shit. The last CL match he was commentating on Liverpool and started the match with, "We wont be commentating on the rotation policies as its been discussed enough". 5min later, and for the rest of the match all they talk about is the rotation. Just shoot them, shoot them all!
I realise I have an above average intellect, and I realise they have to comment for the common denominator but is the average viewer so f$%king thick?! A few years ago I was a member of an High IQ site, I just make the cut
, and when browsing the forums the amount of people on there that had medication for anti depression, up/downs, and all that stuff was so surprising. However nowedays I realise that if I was more intelligent the world and its inhabitants would be even more frustrating! I can barely cope now!
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DagsJT
Guest
Re: Liverpool Thread
I don't think Gerrard can be crucified for talking to the ref, Chelsea swarm the ref constantly and barely anything gets said about them doing that. It was a red card either way, it was a goal-scoring opportunity and Hibbert was the last man.
I don't think Gerrard can be crucified for talking to the ref, Chelsea swarm the ref constantly and barely anything gets said about them doing that. It was a red card either way, it was a goal-scoring opportunity and Hibbert was the last man.
Re: Liverpool Thread
I second that. Let's move on shall we?
They're not showing it here down under, damn ESPN.
I second that. Let's move on shall we?
They're not showing it here down under, damn ESPN.
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vanzandt
The answer must be Jam
- 26 July 2007
- Team
- Everton
Re: Liverpool Thread
I third it and I am a Blue!!!
I hope you drown in your own urine tonight Haha.
Nar actually I'm not bothered about you lads, just Everton.
Wont wish you the best, but wont be sticking pins in dolls either.
I third it and I am a Blue!!!
I hope you drown in your own urine tonight Haha.
Nar actually I'm not bothered about you lads, just Everton.
Wont wish you the best, but wont be sticking pins in dolls either.
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kevano22
TDWFYU
- 2 August 2003
Re: Liverpool Thread
Didnt hope hard enough mate.
Shocking. Again.
Don't worry mate, we'll tell you all about Champions League football
(Hopefully Liv won't embarrass me tonight)
Didnt hope hard enough mate.
Shocking. Again.
Re: Liverpool Thread
benitez 2 go. fuckin idiot . wanker
benitez 2 go. fuckin idiot . wanker
Bule
Leoni Rossi
Re: Liverpool Thread
Looks like L'pool embarrased all of his fans tonight.
Looks like L'pool embarrased all of his fans tonight.
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Re: Liverpool Thread
Nice goal by Bobo...
Nice goal by Bobo...
Re: Liverpool Thread
there is no violence mate. sometimes you have trouble but this has nothing to do with the fan group.
i am very happy but you will win the match in liverpool. great goal by gerrard, i love him. wish you guys the best in the premier league.
there is no violence mate. sometimes you have trouble but this has nothing to do with the fan group.
i am very happy but you will win the match in liverpool. great goal by gerrard, i love him. wish you guys the best in the premier league.
Milanista
Mangiamoli!
Re: Liverpool Thread
You should be that harsh on your team... you played in a difficult atmosphere against a top Turkish team. If it was at home it would be completely different.
You should be that harsh on your team... you played in a difficult atmosphere against a top Turkish team. If it was at home it would be completely different.
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Oh Sh*t I am so f*cked .........................
Where can I put my face now???? TELL ME!!
Again, everything went downhill after Pako left, which I think, somehow unbalance the team. Or is it just a tough patch of play? Who knows.
Oh Sh*t I am so f*cked .........................
Where can I put my face now???? TELL ME!!
Again, everything went downhill after Pako left, which I think, somehow unbalance the team. Or is it just a tough patch of play? Who knows.
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