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That was some pretty horrendous officiating to be fair. Cisse was MILES offside for the second goal, and Simpson should seen red for his save.

Of course, I expect the media/ ex-players and so forth to now come out and say that teams just don't get decisions at St. James' Park...

Carroll's dive is shocking. Just stay on yer feet and youv'e got a tap in ffs.
 
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Kenny is finished football is a business these days and Kenny is not producing the results, he lacks tactical nous and the vision the club needs for the future. People say give him another year, for what exactly? Better modern day managers have been sacked for less(Pellegrino at real), the cup win and semi are good but establishing the club in the league was the most important thing and 4th was the requirement. How great has our buy british ''proven'' policy been? This summer major work needs to be done again, personally I would like to see us bring in a real tactical specialist manager like Biesla(not big on rafa coming back). The fa cup is the rest of our season .
 
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Sabac Red said:
Kenny is finished football is a business these days and Kenny is not producing the results, he lacks tactical nous and the vision the club needs for the future. People say give him another year, for what exactly? Better modern day managers have been sacked for less(Pellegrino at real), the cup win and semi are good but establishing the club in the league was the most important thing and 4th was the requirement. How great has our buy british ''proven'' policy been? This summer major work needs to be done again, personally I would like to see us bring in a real tactical specialist manager like Biesla(not big on rafa coming back). The fa cup is the rest of our season .
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the swansea manager would be ideal,bring back pass and move
 
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I hate seeing footballers do what Perch did there. Yes - Reina by the rules of the game had to go, but seriously? Was there even contact? Get up you play acting piece of sh*t.

Reminds me of Nani's first season when he headbutted a West Ham player (in the crucial run in too!) and then went down as if he'd been hurt. Took me 3 years to start liking the Portugeser again.
 
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goalgerd said:
the swansea manager would be ideal,bring back pass and move
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Would need some new players to use that kind of system, unfortunately. Kuyt, Carroll, Henderson (right now), Adam (never) - even Gerrard aren't really technically ready for that, imo.

Suarez would thrive though, as might Bellamy and Lucas.
 
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beachryan said:
That was some pretty horrendous officiating to be fair. Cisse was MILES offside for the second goal, and Simpson should seen red for his save.

Of course, I expect the media/ ex-players and so forth to now come out and say that teams just don't get decisions at St. James' Park...

Carroll's dive is shocking. Just stay on yer feet and youv'e got a tap in ffs.
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Yeah ref's were crap, but that happens every week so nothing new there.

As for Carroll, maybe he was that desperate to not score against his boyhood club that he thought that would be a better option. Or he's just stupid. Very stupid by Reina, shouldn't have given the player the option. Even moreso now he will miss the semi (unless the FA makes it a yellow, but can't see that happening).

I thought the team were ok overal though. Besides the two goals Newcastle didn't look hugely threatening but as usual Liverpool when they did create some danger fluffed it with the final pass or shot. Pretty much summed up their season, decent play, some good attacking moments but a combination of a lack of dissapline and a lack of fight (which is what you need when the ref isn't having a very good day) makes it a poor result.
 
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Rodgers is aa good shout the only british manager I rate in the epl, he's been linked with spurs if harry leaves tbh his got a very good thing at Swansea and hopefully he'll stay there for a couple more years. Funnily enough Villas Boas wouldn't hurt either I think we would be a right fit for him. There are a good deal of top quality coaches available.
 
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Sabac Red said:
Rodgers is aa good shout the only british manager I rate in the epl, he's been linked with spurs if harry leaves tbh his got a very good thing at Swansea and hopefully he'll stay there for a couple more years. Funnily enough Villas Boas wouldn't hurt either I think we would be a right fit for him. There are a good deal of top quality coaches available.
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AVB would be a good manager.....young, and got lot of potential...
european success.....but he needs a clean slate to get rid of
all the older powerful players...and build his own team.
 
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I think dealing w/ Chels old dags , Liverpool`s 2 old dogs would be a walk in the park. Chels gave him years of experience in 7month imo. Did Roman gave him a no return to PL option ?
 
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That is exactly what i have done the last days, i considered to post something after Newcastle, but thought better of it.

Like i said in another thread: Liverpool should sack Dalglish and contact Martin O'Neill.

To be fair, Liverpool were unlucky against Newcastle...Papis Cissé was miles off-side...but don't let this blind Liverpool.
 
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This season has been a frustrating one no doubt. Our league form has been bad I'm not saying, dreadful even, BUT, I have to say that in a lot of the games this year things just haven't gone for us. In a lot of the games for example Liverpool have started off like a train, forced a few saves, hit posts and bars, had the majority of the possession and scoring attempts and then BHAM, one nil down from the oppo's first attack! It's been like this for a while and this obviously has an effect then on confidence. For a team like Liverpool who have a large core of new players going behind then becomes like an Everest climb.

Kenny needs to decide on a system and fast. I think at the moment he is 'twixt and 'tween between a whole bunch of things. This is where my criticism of him comes from. If he is going to die on his sword this year or next the he at least has to go out doing 'some' kind of style.

If you have Carroll up front then the problem becomes a width one. Downing is a good player, but that's all. He drifts inside too much when he should be doing his job - ie, crossing the f'kin thing. Then we don't have a natural right winger, we use Henderson (who is shit period) or Kuyt, who has tremendous virtues but a winger he is not. We could deploy Bellamy but then he just gets lost out there.

So, if he wants Carroll up front with Suarez off him then he needs to find two winger, by-line crossers, and that's all they do all day. You play this system enough and it will work, it may be a little route one-ish, but it's the tools we have.

Or, we can try and play an intricate game, but then there's no room for Carroll and you need a technical tactician next to Suarez.

I've been a big Gerrard fan for years, even bigging him up on the other discussion thread. BUT - Dalglish has to sort of the midfield problem. The problem with Stevie is that he embodies a club in his entirety, players come in playing some great stuff from other clubs (Adam) but then they are forced to play a certain way to compensate Gerrard and other square pegs in round holes - again think, Henderson, Kuyt etc.

Skrtel I believe is a liability. Coates just doesn't look co-ordinated enough (I may be proved wrong), Spearing has work rate and nothing more, Shelvey just looks and probably plays like my local plumber, and Carragher's days are numbered. Christ even Enrique is looking fatter and slower than last year, and Flanagan looks like a puff of wind could knock him over and even Reina looks a bit average.

In short - we're f'ked.

We need top class defenders in for a start. We need to sort out the midfield problem, if they want to play Carroll then they have to play 4-4-2, make the wingers cross the thing and have tactical discipline with the two CMFs, whether it be Adam and Gerrard. If they want to play a 4-5-1 type system, then I would suggest two holding midfielders to give Gerrard free role in an attacking support sense and make the wingers keep width. Lack of width is killing Liverpool because we do not possess technically proficient midfielders like a Silva for example.

So a lack of luck and rub of the green, and constant player and tactical changes make us currently sitting ducks to anyone. I would suggest that any team in that league at the moment would relish Liverpool as their next game.

Things need to be changed.
 
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brendan rodgers(last seasons owen coyle)?martin o' neill???'kinell.it's like david o'leary all over again...

PS:Has pipa topped himself?
 
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Was going to say the same thing, last season people were talking about Owen Coyle. Martin O'Neill is a midtable Roy Hodgson.
 
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I don't agree with you on all these managers who are not good enough for Liverpool. With that logic after one generation there would be no managers for big clubs, because all the managers would be death and all the rest unproven because they never managed a big club.

In fact O'Neill did manage a huge club and did very well: Celtic. Let Celtic play Liverpool and 9 times out of 10 Celtic will loose (i'm not sure right at the moment however), but Celtic is and will always be a huge club in terms of pressure. So MON is a proven manager.

About Henderson: for me he is the biggest talent in English football, but Dalglish should let him play central. He has a fantastic one touch pass (which is not always understood by his current team mates) and if i was Dalglish i would play Henderson instead of Gerrard and like i already said, i would sell Gerrard (and i don't write this because i want to WUM people, it is what i sincerely think should be best for Liverpoool, of course it would not be the first team i am totally wrong).
 
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Remember Wenger Who? Surely there's an understudy waiting on the wings somewhere .
 
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its been proven over the years that having good wingers in the premier league leads to success,look and man utd as an example. With valencia,nani and young in their team theyre always a threat going forward,same with Spurs who with lennon and bale great at attacking teams. Even swansea have speedy wingers that do the job. Over the last 20years alex ferguson has always bought quality wingers,the mourinho chelsea team used wingers to rip up the league and the arsenal team that went unbeaten used quality wingers. Its simple kenny, go out and buy 2 pacey direct wingers and play 442,the results should follow
 
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If there were a time to prove Henderson's not a fluke this season, now would be it. Pair him with Spearing in the middle. But I afraid of the headers defficiency since both are quite small.
 
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The best thing the next Liverpool manager should do
is to sell Gerrard and Carragher.....

That would allow Henderson/Shelvey/Lucas to play in midfield

Put Coates/Agger/Skrtel as the present and future of the defense.

Sell Carroll and Suarez.....get 3 good decent strikers
in the mould of Cisse/Ba.....

Sell Adam...he adds no value...and has been found out at this level.

Sell Downing....and get the wingers from Swansea...or even Hoillett...

I really feel if Rafa Benitez was still manager....
we would never ever be talking about this day when we are in relegation
form.....and losing so many games.

Rafa...or AVB for me would be the next coach.....
and watch Liverpool come back !!
 
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i don´t think our problem is in our players as whole, but how we play them and mostly in our current form, we seem to lack any motivation to do a good result in league focusing on the upcoming cup tie.... wich is very bad, becouse i feel the players know once they can´t get to CL then it´s time to switch off...witch it isn´t...

our heads need more sorting than our feets.. i can´t belive we missed this season oportunity to end well in league with some horryble matches results despite good play...

Carroll however does something on pitch i can´t understand against Newcastle.. wtf was that? There was also diving from newcastle players but at least not such diving.....
 
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i belive Kenny wanted to do something for the squad with this players, actually looking from the perspective of the time buying them, they all were best players of their teams +/- i saw no big difference in Aston Villa form of Downing to Young for example... they play same position in new clubs and look on how they both do...Young shines and Downing can´t return to Villa form..the price was not big difference when buying them... as far as i remember..

the same Adam, best player of Blackpool, Henderson - starter for Sunderland and England U21 captain with clubs following him from early age...

they all came here to make our squad better and to make it a bit younger... Kenny wanted to fill in places after selling some players like Poulsen, Jovanovic and Insua (not Meireles, becouse he was part of the team back then and moved out only few hours to end of transfer window) So basicly i personally thought we play better with this players... but during the season they had to deal with no goalscorer, then Lucas injury, Gerrard injury, Suarez 8 match ban etc... this made our team suffer a lot.. mostly by winning very few points

i have faith in our system with young players though, we have a bunch of good young players but..that´s not enough.. i belive the questions will be asked mainly why the players turned off and basicly don´t perform good enough once they lost chance for the CL..

i belive we play different in cup game agains Everton, but this will only prove my words, that we have players who are no winners at all if they do this.. they focus on one cup and make a miserable run in league becouse they can and they know that we can´t be relegated, wich is unrespectfull to all the fans..

i have big worry if the players like Downing, Adam and Henderson think they made it big just by wearing the shirt..becouse if Dalglish can´t motivate them then....nobody can. Probably best motivation would be if the owners come after FA Cup and tell half of the team they underperfomed and are up for sale...otherwise we can expect the same thing happend next season, even if we buy better players...

I don´t think they sack Dalglish, the problem is there is not a coach, not even Rafa, who would do anything in this stage with such mentality of players and without any motivation sometimes..

Carroll is another example, but at least he tryes harder than Henderson most of the time... it´s just not good enough and we all know he won´t be EVER again sold for the price we bought him..

happy Easter btw guys!
 
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matherto said:
Trust me, with the likes of Adam, Downing, Carroll and Henderson, it IS the players that are the problem.
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Beside Caroll who is the biggest donkey ever in the EPL, all these players would be important players for United.
matherto: between this and 5 years, Untd will try to buy Henderson.


The difference between United and Liverpool are not the players but the manager (and this saddens me, i loved Dalglish as a player and i never like Ferguson).

Glad to see that PLF also thinks O' Neill would be an excellent manager for Liverpool.
 
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