eFootball (All Platforms)

[andyaim]

I did initially, but link "New Football Game" to @Ameppe's spot that all mention of PES is being removed and replaced with eFootball across the official sites, and... It seems to me like they're very purposefully dropping "PES" and severing all ties with the idea that it's even related, any more.

Being in marketing, I know that companies never, ever drop a brand name with strong brand recognition (it's so hard to get that any more), unless A) they're either trying to distance themselves from their old customers and desperately chase a younger audience ("hey kids, that crusty old PES game your dad talks about, we're not that - we're new and cool")... Or B) the brand has got a terrible quality reputation, and they want to "start again" so that customers don't realise it's them.

I should have added that I agree, if they do remove "PES" from the title, of course then it will be a strong indication of where the game is headed, and the probable ditching of us older, mainly offline fans.

I wasn't too concerned what the new game was going to be called to be honest, other than for nostalgic reasons, but now I realise that there's more at stake than just a name change.

Tomorrow could be interesting

 

[Isslander]

Let's forget about efootball Pes, and instead get Seabass on the line, set up a Kickstarter for him to make a new football game. An army of Evowebbers and other fans of good football games will fund the project on no time.

 

[Kimi85]

Let's forget about efootball Pes, and instead get Seabass on the line, set up a Kickstarter for him to make a new football game. An army of Evowebbers and other fans of good football games will fund the project on no time.

Konami without these fantastic guys that are working to fix the lazyness of the Company should be collapsed years ago regarding Pes Series

I'm on Ps4 right now, but back in the past was on Pc. I'm ex Modder and i know how hard and stressfull is it to work on the game to get better things, just because in Konami they are too lazy to give us a decent product every year.

 

[Emroth]

Sounds like rumours that probably started with Renan, fed into the rumour sphere, wound their way into the Japanese blog, then translated and outputted again as a fresh rumour by Galvani

Reminds me a chat I had with my mate yesterday
- is this true? Do you really get 70%? Who told you that?
- I dont fucking know. You told me that!


Personally - I dont think they would have balls to drop offline modes. Fifa doesnt really need them and still has them (and works on them)
Offline modes are fuel for all the mods and option files. They have to realise this if they have a fraction of a brain.
Without offline modes - PES would slowly died.

 

[Emroth]

Let's forget about efootball Pes, and instead get Seabass on the line, set up a Kickstarter for him to make a new football game. An army of Evowebbers and other fans of good football games will fund the project on no time.

The only issue that I see with a new game created by community (which I think is a great idea) is that a lot of us are older now, often with families. We dont really have time to start a project like this.
If 10 years ago, when we were still on fire, we have known what sort of shite football games will turn into - we'd have evowebFootball 10 by now..

 

[Redzik]

I am wondering what version we'll get on PC, I play on PC(I have PS4 slim too). if they won't give me next gen I refuse buy, I like play ML mode.
24h to go

 

[janguv]

Everything will be clear soon.

That's if Konami actually does a reveal tomorrow and doesn't fob us off with something half-way there! There's precedent for it...

I don't think they will totally drop PES from the title for precisely the reasons you outlined.

I think the "New Football Game " name genuinely was to distinguish it from PES and the main purpose was to test network connectivity.

I dunno, I still think that the whole thing would be weirder if what you're saying is true. Yeah, they have brand recognition with PES, and maybe they'll keep it around as a logo or feature it in some branding material in some regions for marketing purposes. But clearly they've been trying to integrate the eFootball branding gradually, and we may just see them switch to it now. They registered the trademarks recently as well.

And then you look at the way Konami reps are clearly instructed to be careful about how they talk – look at this guy from the other night, stumbling into saying "new title" instead of just "the sequel" or "the next PES" or "PES 2022":



I think Konami are all about minimising the development budget and maximising the microtransaction revenue at this point. So to create a separate game, or to test a build that is significantly different from the build they want to ship doesn't make much sense. Likewise with ultimately having different versions for PS5/XSX as some are suggesting – I think that splits the player pool, and could be forecast as earning less from MTX over time, given the number of next-gen consoles in circulation. I think they want everyone playing together so matchmaking is quick, and in turn the MTX sales are driven.

 

[Isslander]

The only issue that I see with a new game created by community (which I think is a great idea) is that a lot of us are older now, often with families. We dont really have time to start a project like this.
If 10 years ago, when we were still on fire, we have known what sort of shite football games will turn into - we'd have evowebFootball 10 by now..

I don't actually think we should have a hand in creating this game, but only fund it via kickstarter, and Seabass creates it (with a team, obviously). Probably a bit of a mad idea and he might even hate the very thought of making a football game today but I really think a kickstarter could rake in some very decent money.
...Which we would get a part of if we were making the game so you know what, I like that idea now

 

[Ximelez]

Fifa reveal was good. That’s how you market a game.

The only thing that still bugs me about FIFA are the player models and lighting looks cartoony.

Looking forward to seeing just how big of a train wreck the Konami reveal will be tomorrow, if we even get a reveal and not another date.

 

[Ameppe]

Why are you daydreaming about Seabass being involved in a new indipendent project? Seabass is still at Konami, they just decided he is not useful anymore, but the man is still there doing nothing basically.

As i understand it's the way it works in Japanese companies, they keep him because he helped the company but now that they don't need him he is still there, unless Seabass resigns himself.

There is a picture of Adam Bhatti with the man in 2016, long after he was being credited in Pes games.

Actually, when was the last time Seabass has been credited in a Pes game?

 

[Ameppe]

Fifa reveal was good. That’s how you market a game.

The only thing that still bugs me about FIFA are the player models and lighting looks cartoony.

Looking forward to seeing just how big of a train wreck the Konami reveal will be tomorrow, if we even get a reveal and not another date.

The format was good, but it really failed to show something impressive about the new game. If that was a Pes presentation evo web would be 100% disappointed.

Remember when Konami showed entire gameplay matches at E3 streamed to everyone and yet how negative evo web was?

 

[Chuny]

The only thing that still bugs me about FIFA are the player models and lighting looks cartoony.

I agree!

 

[TerryFGaming]

Haven't played FIFA since 2006 but follow it closely. It actually looks like EA were a bit worried about Konami (not really but at least cognizant) and put in a lot more in to the game itself looking at the FIFA 22 reveal today.

Little did they know Konami is about to disappoint us all 🤣

 

[Ximelez]

I agree!

As the GFX master, it must bug the hell out of you 😂

 

[Ximelez]

The format was good, but it really failed to show something impressive about the new game. If that was a Pes presentation evo web would be 100% disappointed.

Remember when Konami showed entire gameplay matches at E3 streamed to everyone and yet how negative evo web was?

If that was Konami, the fact that they actually had some new gameplay features that were a) innovative and b) next gen worthy would impress me

I would not hesitate to bet that Konami don’t have any next gen features to PES 2022, the only upgrade being the graphics.

 

[Chuny]

Please guys, let's move the FIFA related appreciations here: https://evoweb.uk/threads/fifa-22-discussion-console-versions.87247/page-14
Before it gets out of hand.

 

[janguv]

Re the FIFA buzz – I wasn't that impressed myself. The most important part got the least attention, "Tactical AI". It seemed to me like they wanted us to make an implicit association between their new team-based mocap system and the tactical on-pitch shapes, but actually, they didn't show any of that in action and they didn't explicitly state it.

That's because it looks like the main reason they're feeding this team mocap data in is that it produces slightly more organic-looking animations. They wanted to simulate a real match so that they can make "more realistic" the individual player's animations, not so that they can use and implement data regarding tactical shapes, etc.

Literally the only example they showed of "new" tactical shapes was a back 4 staying compact and moving horizontally as a unit. They explained this Tactical AI (gotta put these buzzwords in caps, after all!) was made possible by the "new tech" (i.e. better CPU-GPU on next-gen consoles), allowing them to process "decisions" at x rate quicker than before. But, clearly, getting tactical shapes right doesn't require insane computing power – we had it two generations ago. So it just sounded like they were fobbing everyone off with that stuff, and actually the only real improvements are to individual animations, which they've economised as a data capturing process by putting on a whole game of players in mocap suits.

If Konami fob us off with that sort of misdirection tomorrow, I would indeed be annoyed. But frankly, I'm not expecting anything great tomorrow.

 

[janguv]

Please guys, let's move the FIFA related appreciations here: https://evoweb.uk/threads/fifa-22-discussion-console-versions.87247/page-14
Before it gets out of hand.

I didn't see your post before hitting reply on mine. But I don't think it's OT to discuss the FIFA reveal. We've a vested interested in comparing how publishers go about promoting their games, the underhand tactics they use etc., especially on the eve of Konami giving us their own presentation.

 

[Chuny]

I didn't see your post before hitting reply on mine.

Yeah, I figured.

But I don't think it's OT to discuss the FIFA reveal. We've a vested interested in comparing how publishers go about promoting their games, the underhand tactics they use etc., especially on the eve of Konami giving us their own presentation.

I understand. However, you know how passionate everyone can get and things can easily get ugly quickly.

 

[Chuny]

KONAMI......

 

[DuduBR9]

Fifa 22 sounds and LOOKS ambitious. Most ambitious football game in decades.

As someone had pointed out, Konami, on the other hand, seem to minimizing the developement cost value as much as they can latetly to maximize profits cutrently focused on mobile and myclub.

If tomorrow confirms this, Konami Will need an wake up call.

 

[Skylark]

Fifa 22 sounds and LOOKS ambitious. Most ambitious football game in decades.

As someone had pointed out, Konami, on the other hand, seem to minimizing the developement cost value as much as they can latetly to maximize profits cutrently focused on mobile and myclub.

If tomorrow confirms this, Konami Will need an wake up call.

Technically Konami is way behind EA right now! I don't see hope.

 

[DuduBR9]

We are on a New gen. A New generation of consoles is what provides the leap big enough to stablish New reality where everything made before looks outdated and no longer interesting.

What Konami is doing besides changing Engine? Any New ambitious Idea like hypermortion? There's nothing so far. Moving to another engines means nothing If its Just better graphics and presentation.

 

[Shpitz]

Fifa reveal was good. That’s how you market a game.

The only thing that still bugs me about FIFA are the player models and lighting looks cartoony.

Looking forward to seeing just how big of a train wreck the Konami reveal will be tomorrow, if we even get a reveal and not another date.

It was good if you are a FUT player, but they didn't really fix any of their major gameplay issues. There is a discussion about it in the FIFA forum.

EA are pretty lazy, but we can trust Konami to be even lazier. I hope to be surprised tomorrow.

 

[Chuny]

Fifa 22 sounds and LOOKS ambitious. Most ambitious football game in decades.

As someone had pointed out, Konami, on the other hand, seem to minimizing the developement cost value as much as they can latetly to maximize profits cutrently focused on mobile and myclub.

If tomorrow confirms this, Konami Will need an wake up call.

Please guys, let's move the FIFA related appreciations here: https://evoweb.uk/threads/fifa-22-discussion-console-versions.87247/page-14
Before it gets out of hand.

 

[DuduBR9]

Technically Konami is way behind EA right now! I don't see hope.

Technically Konami is way behind EA right now! I don't see hope.

I can Tell You they can do things similar to what EA is doing. They can implement cool ideias, New gameplay mechanics and ideias like they did on the past and I can nake them.

Problem is people running Konami right now Just want a cheap product with low effort and cost, not an ambitious product with fresh ideas. I dont believe being ambitious makes the developement cost that much higher.

 

[PRO_TOO]

Let's forget about efootball Pes, and instead get Seabass on the line, set up a Kickstarter for him to make a new football game. An army of Evowebbers and other fans of good football games will fund the project on no time.

islandic pragmatism! Like that!

 

[Ameppe]

If that was Konami, the fact that they actually had some new gameplay features that were a) innovative and b) next gen worthy would impress me

I would not hesitate to bet that Konami don’t have any next gen features to PES 2022, the only upgrade being the graphics.

Did you see something next gen worthy in that presentation? If EA didn't talk about Hypermotion would you have noticed something next gen worthy?

I noticed nothing that couldn't be done on last gen consoles. Anyway, i don't want to discuss more about Fifa here, don't want to be warned by @Tom

 

[rojofa]

Monkey's paw wish:

A new challenger appears.








But it's Ubisoft.

This may be a joke and their last attempt was horrendous, but I think Ubisoft could be the perfect company to make a football game.

A football game built using this would be the stuff of dreams, and Ubisoft are leading the way with it;
https://montreal.ubisoft.com/en/drecon-data-driven-responsive-control-of-physics-based-characters/

 

[TerryFGaming]

It's funny because I'm thinking now of what a behemoth EA and FIFA are in general but remember before Konami went to shit. It's funny we are worried about PES constantly these days when this was a game and company that produced absolute greatness consistently. Look at the sales numbers in the mid 2000s. Konami really botched that PS3 transition and we've been in quicksand ever since.

PES 5, a game from 2005/6 is still WIDELY played - crazy when you think about it. Is anyone playing FIFA 06 and enjoying it today? 🤣