Ill, sorry, I'll respond to this as I'm a bit bored:
I enjoyed this
Obviously I can, however thats not the point is it. You use fifa as an excuse to not be critical of pes, yet we, as pes fans, are probably the most critical of fifa. It works both ways, so accept it and try not to get so angered by people giving pes a fair review of its poorness.
PES is still outscoring Fifa. This is my point. There hasn't been some great shift.
Well I dont need to be to technical, we only have to look at the other games released and the amount of, or lack of, slowdown they have. Fifa is an example of more data (graphics, animation, sound, etc) yet not having slowdown. Comparing its to its peers means its a technically poor game. I don't need a degree in computer engineering to be able to tell that. You even accept it faults as its the "first" run on a new console. So you accept its technically poor as its the "first run" yet quesiton me to explain why its technically poor even when you already acknowlege it?
This is also my point. How do you know that Fifa is a more demanding game? Fact is that we don't know the technical side of things and this is the first instance of it happening so if it happens again then konami need a beating.
You messed up the quotes here so it gets messy
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktiktiktik
Seeing as you are so desperate to defend PES by saying fifa has been shit for years, Ill explain why you are only showing even more ignorance by doing so.
Hmmmm, couldnt come up with a counter argument so resort to spelling. Youre one to talk with your "literature".
I've been around the old hash and quote circuit for QUITE SOME TIME NOW TIKTIKTIKTIK so I know that I did everything proper.
Let's run through, you said
"Seeing as you are so desperate to defend PES by saying fifa has been shit for years, Ill explain why you are only showing even more ignorance by doing so."
You didn't make a point here, it's just a bunch of words with no relevance to anything.
I responded with
"Who's Ill?
lammo"
As you can see, you have no case here mister. lammo indeed
Can't say I've noticed it to be honest. This year there is a definite change I agree. The other years Ive been here its mostly a single thread with people mostly saying its crap. Which untill last year, it was, and even last years effort wasnt especially good.
A red bus runs both of us over
me: that red bus ran us over
you: didn't notice
I thought the discussion was based on the people on here and their opinions/thoughts? Now we are discussing for the whole world and its sales?
Now you're talking for everyone else, which I would have let slide if you weren't wrong.
Yes Ive had all the iss/pes games since the the snes release. But unlike Liverpool, I dont feel the need to "support" PES and Konami in their poor days. After all they are a company looking to make a profit, not some charity organisation. Although by the sound of some people on here you would think they cure cancer, help 3rd world debt and keep the kids off the streets with pes.
I'm sorry, I think I've just logged onto bizarro-web or my grasp of English or the alphabet has deteriorated to an astonishing degree.
Konami, being praised, by people here?
My monocles, they are on the floor.
And for that we should give them money. Ive become bored, as a singleplayer, with the ML since pes4 and they have continued to not develope the game. After last years poor effort on the 360 I lost my patience and will no longer buy the game till its gets good for me again.
If you honestly expected anything more than a port on the 360 then you've lost not just your respect but your dignity. Anyone could have told you that it wasn't going to be an improvement, it was released outside of the regular cycle for starters.
Its worth a try, even if I can help atleast one person think for themselves it will be a victory. You actually already do think for yourself, I just dont agree with it
You've taken this better than some. It might seem as if I'm insulting you but I'm just mocking your opinions (erm...). But aye it's not personal, it's just a pawn of the evil that I must tackle in these dark times.
Anyway, from your posts it seems to you feel people should continue to support pes & konami because of all the previous fun that has been had on older versions.
Angelina Jolie pleasures you for 24 hours continuously.
She says check back in 2 years.
In the mean time Britney Spears waddles along with the lure of a handjob and numerous forms of Hepatatis.
What do you do?
Ignoring whether the latest release is actually good or not. Konami being a business and the bottomline being what they care about do you think that position will improve the game or hinder its development?
The way i see it (the correct way of course) is that the industry is different to what it was 10 years back. Back on the PS1 days they weren't under pressure to meet deadlines. They had greater freedom to develop a game for a small fanbase.
Cue PS2 crazy time.
Because of the arseload of interest over recent years they now have to focus on a October release. They cannot afford to miss out a year or release every 18 months.
That would hinder future development.
It's a sacrifice but it's what Fifa's done from the start
A lot of people, myself included, feel that continually buying the game in its poorer state and not being critical will lead to what had happend at EA with fifa.
1 does not equal continual. The 360 version doesn't count and if you bring it up I'll think even less of you.
A poor game being churned out year after year with superficial additions to improve the PR talk and give a "reason" to get the latest version. The reason, which you yourself comment on, why fifa has been looked upon as a poor game by the majority of us for the last few years. Its been said that EA decided to make a brand new game[engine] as, even though sales were good each year, they wanted to recieve a good response [read: less negativity] from the press and hardcore gamers. So you see being critical actually had the impact for a company to invest and make a decent/good game.
Err, I'm pretty sure the impetus for all things EA is money.
A better game means better reviews and better sales. If it wasn't for Pro Evo then we'd al be playing Fifa 2002.6
Thats what we want from konami, not the poor ports and lac of development now being shown. And as you can see, that means a lot of us wotn continue to "support" them in their bad times as i can have an effect. You only have to read seabass comments prior to release to see that he acknowledged the poor response and said they were going to improve the game for next year, drastically changing the designteam.
Poor port = PES6 on the 360, which I have dismissed for months now
Perceived lack of develpment in 1 game.
One game
This is perfect as this is what I am all about. It's a massive over-reaction that is based on 1 game.
How people can be so upset after 1 game on a new console after a decade of awesomeness is beyond me but there you go.
If I could put forward my views more eloquently i would, but my style allows for me to quote myself in years to come to say "I was reet greet" or "ah, bit wrong thar". Luckily, however, it's never the latter.
edit: one game for the love of holy seabee
:8)::applause: smileys to go with it (TG, HAN) just to name a few, now PES 2008 has dissapointed again the same people are saying the same thing again, next year will be great blah de blah. Well unless Konami have a major reshuffle, it will be the same as the last 3-4 years and only be a slight upgrade.
