Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 10/10/07)
But as I said previously, the decision not to delay shows the underlying attitude towards the customer...so long as they're getting the money in, they'll gladly let the quality go to pot.
I think the problem here is though a question of how is more powerful, Seabass, or his bosses above him in Konami. It is highly likely that pressure from SONY would also have affected their choice. I cant see Sony wanted the game delayed, feeding hype that the console is more difficult to program for, although it may do them more harm if the game does run poorly.
but the way they create the faces is not impressive IMO, certainly it's not an artistically next gen way to do it, EA's way of doing it is next gen because they create the face in a 3d modelling app*, Konami just use 2d textures over the same 3d mesh, it's a current gen way to do it, which after all is the way that the whole game is made
Its a shame then that the majority of the faces in FIFA look terrible. I think you are being a little harsh, the models in PES2008 have been remodelled, they're much more detailed than last gen, and improved from PES6, I agree they dont have the level of detail in FIFA, but if they work they work, I dont personally see the point in wasting polygons modelling the face so acurately when the majority of the time people use a caerma where you couldnt tell who's face was who's anyway. I would be much more happy for them to send their time making improvements to the gameplay.
Graphically I think they would be better served with a new rendering engine, to help create better lighting and shadows, I think that would actually make the current models look 10 times better anyway.
Personally although I think that Seabass is making excusses, in some ways I feel sorry for the guy. I do think that the workload for his small (Im taking that from previously read posts) has caused alot of the problems, I would think that FIFA has a much bigger team, not to mention that we now different teams have worked on the next gen, another team for last gen, and I would have a ssumed another team working on the Wii version.
Hopefully Konami will put some money into expanding the team, or at least use other teams to prepare the other versions, so that they can concentrate on improving the game. Lets face it, Seabass has turned into somewhat of a Frank Lampard figure in here, theres a lot of hate pointed his way at the moment, but he's the guy that has brought us the best football game for many years now, and because his standards have been slipping a little, everyone has been quite insulting about the poor guy.
I doubt very much that Seabass sets out to make a game that people are going to dislike, thats not even a good way to just be in it for the money, but when you have had a decade of people blowing smoke up your rear end, constantly praising the release, and ignoring some the games faults in reviews, then I suppose its easy to get complacent. From that Video interview, I think the negative press has really hit him this time, I know there was a negative response to PES6 but I really dont think he regarded the next gen version of that as being a real release.
On the whole Im still looking forward to PES2008, it might not reach the heights that I was maybe expecting but alot of the reviews suggest that the core gamplay is still up to scratch, so I know I'll enjoy playing it...
