Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 10/10/07)
Time to leave the thread. PES looks like suckin ass this year and because of the reasons stated in Winston's sig FIFA also sucks ass too!
Lets not bother with football games this year lads
Just felt I had to just write a little note saying that current-gen FIFA08 (PC version) is quite awesome. I've played the 360 version alot with my brother, and I prefer the PC version alot. It has a more defined gameplay, where 360 FIFA feels more loose and unbalanced.
Matches are very intense and you need to work hard to score and create chances. I've been at points where I have played 4 20-minute FIFA League matches with my Lyon Manager mode team, and needing to take a break because of the intense concentration you do. Especially when you are in opportunitues where you try and squeeze a manual throughball between defenders or such, or aiming for a very specific spot, you are really dead focused as you aim and power up the pass. Whereas in PES I just used to play 10-minute games for several hours just drifting through them one by one (in FIFA you need full concentration even if you play Barca versus some crap team, because of the more realistic and toucher general physics and playermovements. I recommend 10 minute halves to really have time to build up play and such.
CPU makes errors in passes both short and long (none of the perfect passes in Next-Gen I've seen some talk about), and if you do 1-2s and well-aimed throughballs it is possible to get through. But if you do face a well-structured defence, you'll need Barca to get through it somewhat easily (by playing 1-2s with Messi and poking through throughballs). It is very realistic, when you are down 1-0 and have spent 5 minute trying to play your way through the defence, ultimately resorting to taking potshots with Juninho from 25 meters.
Also, while shots and passes are still automaticly aimed, they now have a manual through ball that works wonders. Can be used as a normal pass button or you can aim in front of players for throughballs. Use L1 with it for lofted analog balls.
But what I love the most is shooting and goalkeepers. It is just a bliss taking longshots or shots in general in the PC version. The way the ball behaves and shoots off the boot really captures the essence of football (the ball doesn't just hit something and deflects, it shoots off it aswell like the ball actually has bounce rather than just being hard and not able to flex), and the shots are now as unpredictable as in PES (sometiems they go on goal, but be a bit too fast on the shotbutton and your player will misshit badly).
Goalkeepers are generally slightly overachieving, but they also vary alot and even if a goalkeeper saves a shot from 10m one time, you always know in the back of your head that the next time, you might get lucky and just roll it past him. Not obvious goalkeeper mistakes or such, just normal variations.Sometiems the goalkeeper happens to be in a stance and state of readiness where he can glue the ball that was heading for the top corner, but other times he will be a meter away with his palm as the ball sails in.
I've also noticed the differences between playing with good teams and bad teams.
In one way PES is alot more clear about these differences, but I also feel that PES exaggerates the difference between for example Ronaldinho and Nesta in dribble speed or such. Almost taking them in a slight caricature direction to enhance their strenghts and weakneses. In PES some defenders move so sluggishly you'd guess they had taken tranqulizers, whilst Ronaldinho makes turns that are just superhuman, doing 2-foot feints in full speed without any loss of speed or such.
Also it plays a but like PES in how the gameplay is structured (PES5 sort of).
If you've tried FIFA08 on the 360 or PS3 and were dissapointed, I'd recommend trying the full FIFA08 PC game one way or another.
After playing PES for 3 years straight, and now spending a week with FIFA08, I am really delighted with some of the saves, goals and passes I've done. It feels really natural and real. Now I sometimes see a goal on TV and think "I scored that exact one last night", and I mean exactly, down to how the goalkeeper moves in the air and everything. Animations are very nice.
Sorry for the long FIFA promotion. I just hope that someone does what I did and notice how awesome it feels to do something like this in FIFA08 PC:
Henry fooling defender with 180 turn (notice also the shot at the end, I just love how it looks, the curl, the general power of it, the way it forcefully deflects off the player etc):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HkCGYhwCyA
Manual Lofted Throughpass (L1 + Triangle) to Eto'o:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHs9c7QSA-w
? i mean if you take all the players in Fifa for example the only difference between them is their speed lol. I told you before mate you can't compare PES with Fifa, only try to copy it
