Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/25/07)
To address you directly.
Personally, i'm looking forward to FIFA more this year. I feel they are taking steps in the right direction and with the number of game modes, leagues and options added it looks to be more bang for my buck - which, like it or not, is what all gaming is about.
Well actually to me gaming is about playing the game itself, not having access to millions of modes for a mediocre game
Why should I shell out another $110 (Australia :roll

for a game, which, apart from some great new features and updated graphics, essentially offers no new gaming experiences? (from early observations of course).
I'd just point out the amazing feeling of when you finally settle into a new PES and everything clicks and you feel like soiling yourself in delight.
I bought a 360 to play the best possible football games - full stop. I didn't buy it for GTA, or Bioshock, or anything like that - I bought it for footy. And if I feel that FIFA fulfils that fantasy more than PES does - that's my opinion.
Well that's fine by me but the "my opinion" argument isn't really applicable to either of us here as, firstly, we are debating over football games and secondly you're on a PES forum going on about Fifa when my opinion is PES is the greetest (futurama). But as I said none of us can harp on there.
Ultimately though, the success of each game isn't going to be determined by me, dj, jack, airjoca or anyone else on this god-forsaken forum. It's the general public - the footballing public who decide what to spend their money on.
Ten of your most english of pounds that it's decided on mums looking at covers and seeing famous footballers on it, which then means it's decided on each individual shop's layout and where PES and Fifa fit in.
And if you ask me, FIFA will sell - simply because EA know how to market their games,
They've done this by shoving Ronaldinho/Rooney/Giggs and anyone else who'll take the pay cheque to pose for the cover and make dodgy ads that 8 year olds will fawn over.
PES has managed to get where it is based on the quality of the product, not an over-inflated image based on famous players on the cover.
(EA) have added many nations' leagues (big selling point for me personally having the A-League - and I know at least 50 other people in the same boat down here in AUS - just in my community)
Well that's great but Australia isn't a big footballing market yet. I'd expect smaller markets to be more slanted.
and, at the end of the day, offer a relatively entertaining and enjoyable footballing gaming experience. The public arent going to buy PES and actually actively search for the new updated rosters, the accurate face of Olivier Kapo or a subtle, barely noticable "next-generation" AI system in Teamvision.
Well great they can sit there like melons waiting to be spoon fed and nappy changed. If people can't be bothered to look into relatively simple methods then they lose the right to complain.
Kudos on calling Teamvision "barely noticable" though. Please forgive me for doubting your journalistic integrity.
In video games - its change, uniqueness, and presentation that determine how successful a game is. And in the virtual monopoly/oligopoly of the football games industry (2 developers), it's EA's game that stands out the most.
Until now. The only thing Fifa had was famous faces and now Pro Evo has the most famous of the lot (in the rabid young fan market).
And yes, while greater sales don't necessarily point to the '
best' game, they do add to it in the long run. Face it - if KONAMI just dont have the resources to be able to keep up with the EA juggernaut, they will quite quickly fall behind - both technology and experience wise.
You've really confused me here.
Konami not having resources is laughable. I think Kojima has enough for MGS4. I'm also sure Seabass has more than enough resources.
If PES/ISS/WE was to ever fall behind Fifa then it would have been a decade ago. Not now after they've developed a loyal fanbase and a reputation as the best football game around.
edit: I am genuinely not insulting you here, I feel nothing but passiveness to everything that goes on here, I just enjoy typing : )
On topic now. CREPE I need a PS3 soon, does anyone know if a pricedrop is imminent before PES and, if not, what's the best deal about right now?