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NeoRetro said:
@markoni90 Batigol was my top scorer from every players on ISS Pro Evo 2. But Del Piero was my best overall player : his dribble were exceptionnal. Then i know he got an injury but he deserved a better set of stats while Totti was overrated. Both were almost as strong But they forgot that Pinturiccio was a key player while Juve wons several time the Scudetto. Thanks than we already got very good coach tactician to handle the whole players and they always signed players with grinta, 3 or 4 lungs on their chest and a high mentality more than super dribblers with gigant ego making the show more than trying to win.

Not a japanese guide or it looks like a translated one directly, we should knows it when DiegoPino will sent the translated version
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You can translate it by yourself, using Google translate. What matters is the clear content of the original version of the guide.
 
Yes i know @H_G and i rarely ask about something, but it's impossible to found the PES5 WE9 (edited) jap pdf guide and it seems Diego won't share it (i suppose it's an original and he got to take photo or scans).
I searched almost an hour and half. No translation needed, but if it's the only way to get access to the booklet is to wait for Diego then...
No choice.
If you have a link, don't hesitate to post it (if the owner is okay of course)
 
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H_G said:
The only one is the one Diego has of WE 9, since in term of content WE 9 = PES5
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Yes i worked all night i'm tired lol : that's WE9 i searched and the one i wanted to talk about, my bad.
That's the one of the two with JLWE9 out in japan. WE9 international i don't think there's jap language same as WE9LE : korean only
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Got a question, is that booklet made from Piggyback? It doesn't seems due to X lot of reasons.
 
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That's what i think too. description and design is pretty different, more professional on WE9 pages you showed here

I'm very curious about their stats description, as people (like on PSD) said often some weird stuffs a bit too complicated regarding Teamwork, Attack and Defense.
 
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Has anyone had any issue with the left direction on their analog sticks on an 8BitDo Ultimate Controller (or any other controller for that matter) on PES6 on PC? Trying to map the direction but it doesn't register when I go to select it on settings.exe
 
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Miglanista said:
Has anyone had any issue with the left direction on their analog sticks on an 8BitDo Ultimate Controller (or any other controller for that matter) on PES6 on PC? Trying to map the direction but it doesn't register when I go to select it on settings.exe
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Does it work on other games ?
 
NeoRetro said:
@markoni90 Batigol was my top scorer from every players on ISS Pro Evo 2. But Del Piero was my best overall player : his dribble were exceptionnal. Then i know he got an injury but he deserved a better set of stats while Totti was overrated. Both were almost as strong But they forgot that Pinturiccio was a key player while Juve wons several time the Scudetto. Thanks than we already got very good coach tactician to handle the whole players and they always signed players with grinta, 3 or 4 lungs on their chest and a high mentality more than super dribblers with gigant ego making the show more than trying to win.

Not a japanese guide or it looks like a translated one directly, we should knows it when DiegoPino will sent the translated version
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Del Piero was my favorite player too. He was the one with i score more free kicks and overall i like how he plays on the pitch.
I agree Totti was overrated, on dribbling and Attack positioning. I Always use to lower his dribbling accuracy and Speed and agility too. He never was a great dribbler in real life.
 
simogto90 said:
on dribbling
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Totti has 3 in form/condition + 3 consistency. Which means in a competition where there a serie of matchs he won't perform at his best level.
Btw, dribbling acc. stat is related to agility and dribble speed that's when the player doesn't run with the ball
 
NeoRetro said:
Good question, that's always what i wondered about. There's no others indication about all of them except, by deduction, that Kazuki Ito forgot his packet of yellow card at home.
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He is legend of Pro Evo Series without doubts, with his passion to give red cards for "minor faults".
Also many memories during games linked with his behavior on the soccer field.
 
I redorded some matches. Sorry for the quality but I am playing on PS2, so i have to record the TV screen.
I want share how much good is We10Le. It's really a lot different compared pes6.
Midfield and defense positioning is a lot better, shooting require more precision and balance,dribbling is harder because players lose close control easier.
I redorded a match even on We9le too, and in my opinion We10Le is better at everything except physicalty (still decent anyways).
I played top player difficutly with green arrows on 10le and 5 star (i find them harder than 6 star) green arrows on 9le .
I played on pes6 too, without recording, and the difference with We10Le is quite big.
When i was younger i was a better player,i kinda suck now.



 
Sorry bro, i'm on jihhad against PES 6 right now (see efootball thread, perhaps i push it too much but it's my way to say WTF when i read tons of youtube vids with "PES 6 the best football game ever created", i just want to break a wall when i read it.
No the first time i tried WE10LE for i was "mehhh", but it's not a PES6 copy paste, there's small differences.
A very bad experience, the game seems even easier and faster (i'm pretty sure if the case) to do incredible things than PES 6.

What i believe is that those games seems totally made for replays, like on some Fifa who looks great when you see some goals compilation but are very bad when you play them. Joking but not that mutch.

Konami did each year a good version, i try to says in my mind that PES 6 is JLWE2007 or JLWE10 Europa . With JL2007 gameplay or at least, the only re-balanced JLWE10 Europa', big fans since the beginning
Still dynamic games, but enjoyable and finally completely balanced, the midfield doesn't make figurating.

The 3 only PES/WE i don't have the SD card for my PS2 + MX4SIO (to best way to play iso on PS2 directly on memory card entry) are WE10, PES6 and WE10LE.... I erased them after switching between versions. It's just not my thing when you can do easily things which are difficult to do IRL, and when players feels like super-heroes.

I own WE9LE as it's still a more or less good game but for me the most overrated as it's worst regarding all PES 5 version era (WE9 and JLWE9 bury it totally, but they aren't on PC) because it's seems the closer one from PES 6, like i remember @Madmac79 said once, i totally feel the same. But i admit it's a good game overall, by far in comparison to the 6th.
But your replays deserves a like as it's cool to watch. But like i said to all people sticked on PES6 : try others versions, i give you some suggestion. Perhaps you won't like all those versions but they're at least challenging in comparison.
 
NeoRetro said:
Back to the thread theme, i found a superb version of PES 2014 PS2 with ALL asian club and nations. A very great work, and stats aren't too high at all like for example the Indonesia or Malaysia patch i tried another day :




The link is pretty annoying as there's a lot of pop-ups, but as i took the SD 4/3 version, i share the link for the Widescreen one.

Ah yes, it's ain't a virus if you see that the first DDL Is the size of a txt file : it's just a second link to reach.
I share the SD link version, now it's up to you if you want to play in FHD.
https://pndk.to/C28bwfkgYO

If you really got too hard to DDL, i will try to ddl and upload the version you want to have.

@millossobek isn't that kind of patch you where searching since a very long time ? :)

Based on PES 2014 ps2 but that version fits pretty well for all season update or specifics mods (easy to mod and apply a "souls" on a patch if you know what i mean)
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It looks very good, except for the fact that Yokohama F Marinos have the Yokohama FC logo and kits. Otherwise, an excellent find
 
FC Bayern said:
It looks very good, except for the fact that Yokohama F Marinos have the Yokohama FC logo and kits. Otherwise, an excellent find
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Yeah i noticed some names errors for clubs too. It could be renamed very simply with DKZ studio (or in hexadecimal manually) and the same for the logos.
If you all really like that patch, identify the errors and reassemble them on a post and i will try to correct them.
For a kit error i should have the replacement kits, in any format i can convert for older PES such as 2014 as the game is based on that version.
I never created a single kits it's not my thing (i'm more about database, make players looking alike including attributes, tactics too)
 
NeoRetro said:
Yeah i noticed some names errors for clubs too. It could be renamed very simply with DKZ studio (or in hexadecimal manually) and the same for the logos.
If you all really like that patch, identify the errors and reassemble them on a post and i will try to correct them.
For a kit error i should have the replacement kits, in any format i can convert for older PES such as 2014 as the game is based on that version.
I never created a single kits it's not my thing (i'm more about database, make players looking alike including attributes, tactics too)
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The only real kit error I've found was the font on the Japan kits (white and the wrong style). But that isn't much of a big deal tbh
 
NeoRetro said:
Sorry bro, i'm on jihhad against PES 6 right now (see efootball thread, perhaps i push it too much but it's my way to say WTF when i read tons of youtube vids with "PES 6 the best football game ever created", i just want to break a wall when i read it.
No the first time i tried WE10LE for i was "mehhh", but it's not a PES6 copy paste, there's small differences.
A very bad experience, the game seems even easier and faster (i'm pretty sure if the case) to do incredible things than PES 6.

What i believe is that those games seems totally made for replays, like on some Fifa who looks great when you see some goals compilation but are very bad when you play them. Joking but not that mutch.

Konami did each year a good version, i try to says in my mind that PES 6 is JLWE2007 or JLWE10 Europa . With JL2007 gameplay or at least, the only re-balanced JLWE10 Europa', big fans since the beginning
Still dynamic games, but enjoyable and finally completely balanced, the midfield doesn't make figurating.

The 3 only PES/WE i don't have the SD card for my PS2 + MX4SIO (to best way to play iso on PS2 directly on memory card entry) are WE10, PES6 and WE10LE.... I erased them after switching between versions. It's just not my thing when you can do easily things which are difficult to do IRL, and when players feels like super-heroes.

I own WE9LE as it's still a more or less good game but for me the most overrated as it's worst regarding all PES 5 version era (WE9 and JLWE9 bury it totally, but they aren't on PC) because it's seems the closer one from PES 6, like i remember @Madmac79 said once, i totally feel the same. But i admit it's a good game overall, by far in comparison to the 6th.
But your replays deserves a like as it's cool to watch. But like i said to all people sticked on PES6 : try others versions, i give you some suggestion. Perhaps you won't like all those versions but they're at least challenging in comparison.
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Hello Neo. I don't like Pes6 too: I played It before recording these videos and it Is a lot easier than We10Le. I don't have problems to dominate on the pitch on pes6,Pes5,we9le while We10Le give me troubles. I think that a first A.i iteration which we will see on pes2008 was on We10Le, with a even stronger defensive bias but less strong on attack.
About speed....if we talk about pure speed pes6 is slower than Pes5, but there is so much space on the midfield and wings and we can abuse fast players so the game has a faster (end to end) flow.
Now We10Le fixed mostly of Pes6 weakness. Dribbling is harder because A.i is better at defending, and dribbling itself has a feature we will see,again,on 2008: players lose more close control when start a sprint expecially during a direction change, bad players lose close control and slow down when try go change in a "middle" direction during sprinting.
Passing is a lot harder on We10Le, because you need body balance. I can't play first touch blind passes like i did on We9le (on Pes5 is the same),because players won't kick strong enough the ball.
Shooting is the same,and it is a lot more complex than pes6,Pes5,We9le.
About Pes5 vs We9le i don't find Pes5 a lot better..i slighty prefer It too,but I like more the ball physics on We9le.

Anyways i will try the games u suggest,if i will able to make them run :)
 
simogto90 said:
Hello Neo. I don't like Pes6 too: I played It before recording these videos and it Is a lot easier than We10Le. I don't have problems to dominate on the pitch on pes6,Pes5,we9le while We10Le give me troubles. I think that a first A.i iteration which we will see on pes2008 was on We10Le, with a even stronger defensive bias but less strong on attack.
About speed....if we talk about pure speed pes6 is slower than Pes5, but there is so much space on the midfield and wings and we can abuse fast players so the game has a faster (end to end) flow.
Now We10Le fixed mostly of Pes6 weakness. Dribbling is harder because A.i is better at defending, and dribbling itself has a feature we will see,again,on 2008: players lose more close control when start a sprint expecially during a direction change, bad players lose close control and slow down when try go change in a "middle" direction during sprinting.
Passing is a lot harder on We10Le, because you need body balance. I can't play first touch blind passes like i did on We9le (on Pes5 is the same),because players won't kick strong enough the ball.
Shooting is the same,and it is a lot more complex than pes6,Pes5,We9le.
About Pes5 vs We9le i don't find Pes5 a lot better..i slighty prefer It too,but I like more the ball physics on We9le.

Anyways i will try the games u suggest,if i will able to make them run :)
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More than speed of players, it's the agility and dynamism (players from your team + cpu running moving all too fast)

To be honest i don't have difficulty to score or more, to win at all in both PES6 and WE10le against CPU. I remember scored 3 or 4 goal 5 stars difficulty directly the first time i tried as i didn't know WE10LE it existed on the past so i wanted to try it. To me it's the same as PES 6 but faster, now i won't say anything bad regarding the game as i didn't really played it a lot, just a matter of feeling, a bad Pes6 taste on my mouth the first time i tried it. But i will give it his chance as people said often it's not a bad version ;)
Now about WE10 i made a league with friends on it and it's probably the version i hated the most, his Occidental young brother can be fun with small teams (we also did a league on it, we created a bunch of small teams over Others C > it was fun) but WE10 is dead for me i'm still searching where the midfilders are on the pitch.

PES 6 has some potential and i owned the Xbox 360 version, there was inertia, the game was slower, it's harder to do everything etc. and it's fun as scoring needs at least a little more concentration. That f****d up potential (freedom to move etc. but all is tainted in red by bugs, counter, success rate level etc.). is the main reason why i hate PES 6 ps2 and didn't played on that version neither on PC. All that potential trowed by the window just to please to a bigger crowd : same as Efootball but PES name was iconic and people brought it eyes close same as myself.

Sad that the 360 version got an edit mode cut in half otherwise i would have really loved it if it was on PC. You should try it if Xenia run on your PC and you'll see : even animations are much more natural than PES 2008 on the same console/generation. Now there's people who don't like it, matter of taste, but like Efootball when the game have bad reputation due to X stuffs (out too soon) most of people play just to check how bad the game is, not simply testing it for real. Cyberpunk for example became a great game and the Dlc give it really a second breath. But still the name, the story behind and the sticker on the game's image "bad for eternity" lol even if the game change totally with years and patches.

Now back to retro PS2 talk :
And yes PES 5 is more dynamic that's true but players agility and moving with the ball is way slower. Passing too, but defenders are faster yes, probably because they don't have the ball and it's more marked on PES5 the with/without the ball speed.
Speed doesn't really bother me if the game is good, and still feeling human, of course there's some acceptance limits lol.
But PES5 isn't the faster PES in comparison to the 4 or WE10). I ain't a fan of WE9LE neither. it's not an improved but a different PES 5 version. And WE9 is probably the most defensive PES you can found with PES1 or WE5FE. Then, i don't search a total simulation, but an active football balanced like Seabass described the series named it "action football".

If you want the game i purposed you can ask me on PM, i can upload at least JLWE10 (the Jl2007 is easy to found)
Now to be honest, i said they're a better PES6 version but it's still not part of my favourites gameplay, vanilla of course. WE2008, PES5, WE9 and JLWE2008 are my top 4, i'll add WE5FE appart as it's a very different type of gameplay but i really love it. Then there's WE7 and WE7i, WE8LE, and the games i mentionned.

I think that a first A.i iteration which we will see on pes2008 was on We10Le, with a even stronger defensive bias but less strong on attack.
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Mmmhh i truely believe than the korean version are corrected to suit to korean player, which make it another game for those people. Both Korean version was out very late and don't even get transfers you can found in game's out in april-june with J-league : i suppose the game is directly modded from PES 6, while the others are a succession of enhancements and plays differently : i talk about WE9LE case as i know that one better for example.

JLWE2007 AI should be more adequate as it's the closer database version of PES6 serie with updated transfers.


Ps: sorry for the long read, passion is my second name :P
 
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FC Bayern said:
The only real kit error I've found was the font on the Japan kits (white and the wrong style). But that isn't much of a big deal tbh
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Thanks for sharing, so a simple OF to correct names could be enough, it depends if you want an iso or gets satisfy with a simple save following the game, as it's easier to make correction and send quickly ;)
 
NeoRetro said:
Thanks for sharing, so a simple OF to correct names could be enough, it depends if you want an iso or gets satisfy with a simple save following the game, as it's easier to make correction and send quickly ;)
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I'd say my only "annoyance" would be the wrong kit and logo for Yokohama F Marinos honestly. But other than that, an excellent share tbh. I've never seen such a comprehensive Asian football patch
 
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