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FC Bayern said:
I'd say my only "annoyance" would be the wrong kit and logo for Yokohama F Marinos honestly. But other than that, an excellent share tbh. I've never seen such a comprehensive Asian football patch
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I will check to correct it on the 2 or 3 coming days (right now i'm on something else). it's annoying for me too you know lol.
Yes it's excellent and comprehensive, but the most incredible thing is that faces and stats are all worked for the occasion on every single teams, even nations (some height might be uncorrect but lower the team is, harder you could get informations about players)
One of the most detailled versions with league pretty hard to found infos and how to rate players correctly, but they did it. NT are also impressive, from Hong Kong to Turkmenistan etc. .... I can't say anything but "Yes!"

So what i have to do is renaming teams licenced that you can't do manually, and try to found a Yoko FM 2023-24 or 24-25 we on PES 2021 or if possible on another patch including that teams, or taking it from PES 21 and try to convert it for PES 2014 ps2.

No idea if you can convert the same way as PES6 kits like they purpose on Pesmaster. But there's tons of 2022 2023 2024 2025 patchs on youtube for PS2 from all countries, it's incredible. That's why i started to like much more PES 2014 ps2 > so easy to mod and the game even with a little different philosophy in the way they balanced it, is amusing and there's very rare superheroes actions (dribble/passes/shoot).

In the tons of patch, i took a look and there's always some very ugly errors and players strongers than Maradona (especially Jrplays patchs)
There's two with stats more or less okay is the "Euro 2024 " one, and if i remember well "PES galaxy 24-25) or another i need to check
 
NeoRetro said:
I will check to correct it on the 2 or 3 coming days (right now i'm on something else). it's annoying for me too you know lol.
Yes it's excellent and comprehensive, but the most incredible thing is that faces and stats are all worked for the occasion on every single teams, even nations (some height might be uncorrect but lower the team is, harder you could get informations about players)
One of the most detailled versions with league pretty hard to found infos and how to rate players correctly, but they did it. NT are also impressive, from Hong Kong to Turkmenistan etc. .... I can't say anything but "Yes!"

So what i have to do is renaming teams licenced that you can't do manually, and try to found a Yoko FM 2023-24 or 24-25 we on PES 2021 or if possible on another patch including that teams, or taking it from PES 21 and try to convert it for PES 2014 ps2.

No idea if you can convert the same way as PES6 kits like they purpose on Pesmaster. But there's tons of 2022 2023 2024 2025 patchs on youtube for PS2 from all countries, it's incredible. That's why i started to like much more PES 2014 ps2 > so easy to mod and the game even with a little different philosophy in the way they balanced it, is amusing and there's very rare superheroes actions (dribble/passes/shoot).

In the tons of patch, i took a look and there's always some very ugly errors and players strongers than Maradona (especially Jrplays patchs)
There's two with stats more or less okay is the "Euro 2024 " one, and if i remember well "PES galaxy 24-25) or another i need to check
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PES6 format YFM kits there, if it helps you
 
NeoRetro said:
Back to the thread theme, i found a superb version of PES 2014 PS2 with ALL asian club and nations. A very great work, and stats aren't too high at all like for example the Indonesia or Malaysia patch i tried another day :



Based on PES 2014 ps2 but that version fits pretty well for all season update or specifics mods (easy to mod and apply a "souls" on a patch if you know what i mean)
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Hate to say the truth, but in reality the patch is an unauthorized version of JrPlay paid patch. :)
 
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NeoRetro said:
More than speed of players, it's the agility and dynamism (players from your team + cpu running moving all too fast)

To be honest i don't have difficulty to score or more, to win at all in both PES6 and WE10le against CPU. I remember scored 3 or 4 goal 5 stars difficulty directly the first time i tried as i didn't know WE10LE it existed on the past so i wanted to try it. To me it's the same as PES 6 but faster, now i won't say anything bad regarding the game as i didn't really played it a lot, just a matter of feeling, a bad Pes6 taste on my mouth the first time i tried it. But i will give it his chance as people said often it's not a bad version ;)
Now about WE10 i made a league with friends on it and it's probably the version i hated the most, his Occidental young brother can be fun with small teams (we also did a league on it, we created a bunch of small teams over Others C > it was fun) but WE10 is dead for me i'm still searching where the midfilders are on the pitch.

PES 6 has some potential and i owned the Xbox 360 version, there was inertia, the game was slower, it's harder to do everything etc. and it's fun as scoring needs at least a little more concentration. That f****d up potential (freedom to move etc. but all is tainted in red by bugs, counter, success rate level etc.). is the main reason why i hate PES 6 ps2 and didn't played on that version neither on PC. All that potential trowed by the window just to please to a bigger crowd : same as Efootball but PES name was iconic and people brought it eyes close same as myself.

Sad that the 360 version got an edit mode cut in half otherwise i would have really loved it if it was on PC. You should try it if Xenia run on your PC and you'll see : even animations are much more natural than PES 2008 on the same console/generation. Now there's people who don't like it, matter of taste, but like Efootball when the game have bad reputation due to X stuffs (out too soon) most of people play just to check how bad the game is, not simply testing it for real. Cyberpunk for example became a great game and the Dlc give it really a second breath. But still the name, the story behind and the sticker on the game's image "bad for eternity" lol even if the game change totally with years and patches.

Now back to retro PS2 talk :
And yes PES 5 is more dynamic that's true but players agility and moving with the ball is way slower. Passing too, but defenders are faster yes, probably because they don't have the ball and it's more marked on PES5 the with/without the ball speed.
Speed doesn't really bother me if the game is good, and still feeling human, of course there's some acceptance limits lol.
But PES5 isn't the faster PES in comparison to the 4 or WE10). I ain't a fan of WE9LE neither. it's not an improved but a different PES 5 version. And WE9 is probably the most defensive PES you can found with PES1 or WE5FE. Then, i don't search a total simulation, but an active football balanced like Seabass described the series named it "action football".

If you want the game i purposed you can ask me on PM, i can upload at least JLWE10 (the Jl2007 is easy to found)
Now to be honest, i said they're a better PES6 version but it's still not part of my favourites gameplay, vanilla of course. WE2008, PES5, WE9 and JLWE2008 are my top 4, i'll add WE5FE appart as it's a very different type of gameplay but i really love it. Then there's WE7 and WE7i, WE8LE, and the games i mentionned.



Mmmhh i truely believe than the korean version are corrected to suit to korean player, which make it another game for those people. Both Korean version was out very late and don't even get transfers you can found in game's out in april-june with J-league : i suppose the game is directly modded from PES 6, while the others are a succession of enhancements and plays differently : i talk about WE9LE case as i know that one better for example.

JLWE2007 AI should be more adequate as it's the closer database version of PES6 serie with updated transfers.


Ps: sorry for the long read, passion is my second name :P
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Don't worry for long post. I like exchange opinion about these games. I really like PS2 pes, even with their technology limitations they still provide an unparraled football experience in my opinion.
About We10Le.. i had the same bad impression too at my first try, but giving It more chances i start loving It. Maybe u should try some sessions again and playing with green arrows it's better i think (in case u used Red ones).
I hope i will be able to try jlwe2007, so i Will give my feedback
 
Never ever i using all Red arrows! Vade Retro Satan :MAD::TWIST:
It's a blaspheme when i ddl an OF and i see Red arrows assigned, attributes is perhaps the things i'm more interested since ISS pro evo, all in Red?
I don't get it, why. Never in red too, always random.
Arrows first with ISS on snes, lookalike different players too make me like ISS more than all football games on 16 bits.
Then, on ISS pro evolution : first, got the feeling to have the real Zidane or Inzaghi or Maldini with their strength and weaknesses more sensitive than in every other football game was one of the 2 game changer.

The second is the pressing system (all football games feeled arcade because it was too hard to defend, but when you have played football for real, PRESSING is something natural. And they changed the defense system forever which was the recipie to get a good balance as defending directly was too hard, makes me fall in love for the series.
People never talk about it but thanks to that, it was first ever balanced football game, simply, well before we found the 1-2 thing lol. Pressing was also in ISS 98 but a bit less the stats influence, it wasn't that "pro", but i was and still a big fan of that old version as the 1-2 isn't a game killer.

I even prefers to play that one on PS1 or WE3 Final than WE2002 : if i want a gameplay feeling like a chess game, i launch PES1 or WE5FE.

@simogto90 i will try a cup or something like that, on Superstar difficulty as i'm far from my old level lol. But the 6 stars difficulty should be complicated to program : all in defense for making it hard to score or in attack and having high scores for both teams? The question is still relevant
 
baygonstroberi said:
Hate to say the truth, but in reality the patch is an unauthorized version of JrPlay paid patch. :)
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Ah he didn't showed pics of it if i remember on his YT vids, just a link to paid for the game, something i found totally normal when the amount of work is THAT big. He should have worked on it day and night.
I will delete the post by respect for him. Thanks for the clarification.
(Up to you to share that version between yourselves in PM, sad for Jrplay but we didn't know at first and i won't play an ML with it. Just few games)
 
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NeoRetro said:
Sorry bro, i'm on jihhad against PES 6 right now (see efootball thread, perhaps i push it too much but it's my way to say WTF when i read tons of youtube vids with "PES 6 the best football game ever created", i just want to break a wall when i read it.
No the first time i tried WE10LE for i was "mehhh", but it's not a PES6 copy paste, there's small differences.
A very bad experience, the game seems even easier and faster (i'm pretty sure if the case) to do incredible things than PES 6.

What i believe is that those games seems totally made for replays, like on some Fifa who looks great when you see some goals compilation but are very bad when you play them. Joking but not that mutch.

Konami did each year a good version, i try to says in my mind that PES 6 is JLWE2007 or JLWE10 Europa . With JL2007 gameplay or at least, the only re-balanced JLWE10 Europa', big fans since the beginning
Still dynamic games, but enjoyable and finally completely balanced, the midfield doesn't make figurating.

The 3 only PES/WE i don't have the SD card for my PS2 + MX4SIO (to best way to play iso on PS2 directly on memory card entry) are WE10, PES6 and WE10LE.... I erased them after switching between versions. It's just not my thing when you can do easily things which are difficult to do IRL, and when players feels like super-heroes.

I own WE9LE as it's still a more or less good game but for me the most overrated as it's worst regarding all PES 5 version era (WE9 and JLWE9 bury it totally, but they aren't on PC) because it's seems the closer one from PES 6, like i remember @Madmac79 said once, i totally feel the same. But i admit it's a good game overall, by far in comparison to the 6th.
But your replays deserves a like as it's cool to watch. But like i said to all people sticked on PES6 : try others versions, i give you some suggestion. Perhaps you won't like all those versions but they're at least challenging in comparison.
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Exactly! I'm not a big fan of WE9 LE.. I feel like it's kind of the worse of both worlds, faster/easier than any other WE9 based game and same bad CPU AI in possession. I think that, as other "last" ones of a chapter, it was mythicized well beyond his qualities.

For the rest, I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment (even tho I kinda like WE 10). I could never bring myself to love Pes 6 as much as I loved almost every other previous Pes chapter, I've always saw it as a step backward for so many reasons.
 
Finally a third person or fourth i don't know some people opinions exactly when they post.
About WE10, it's bad with big teams, and there's no such bug as in PES 6.
I like WE10 but only on Versus human in fact. While PES 6 and WE9 LE i can't enjoy them only by playing with very weak teams.
 
Very interesting read here. I only tried WE10 or WE10LE (can't remember now) a little bit. Not enough to get a real idea on how good it is. I liked the overall feeling but need more time. It was the first PES I scored from a corner kick directly but Mihajlovic I consider a cheat code from dead balls anyway. With him and Recoba I scored some of my best goals, and Pirlo of course.
I also played WE8LE quickly, will need more time for that, too. Are there pc versions of these games by the way? I only played ps2 versions on pcsx2.

Recently I played a lot of WE9LE and love it. The flow of the game, the feeling when passing and especially when shooting from long distance. Every goal is satisfying and different. I played as Lazio against Roma and was down 0-1 in the final minutes when I had a corner kick. I put attack level to the maximum to make my defenders come up. Suddenly I saw Peruzzi was there, too! It was the very first time ever in any PES that I saw my goalkeeper in the other box at all! Unfortunately, he didn't score but I could at least make sure that Roma didn't score in the empty goal and made the last second equalizer anyway.

It is great that we have the forum here to discover more and more games. And it is cool to read so many different opinions. Back in the days I only knew PES 4, 5, 6 and so on and then games like PES 2011, 2012 etc that made me go back go older pes games very quickly. These winning eleven games are a breath of fresh air. And it seems like there are still a couple ones more to try. So everybody can choose their favorite game.
 
Quite a few people have asked me for the "PES 6 Superstar Level Mod" through PM. :)

This mod adds the "Superstar Level" in PES 6, IMO signficantly improving the awareness of the CPU. I've really enjoyed it!

I will link to it here for future reference. I include Cheat Engine 5.5 and the Superstar Level Instructions! (all quite straightforward, included in the Zip File)

In addition, if you want to play the Superstar Level Mod in Cup Mode, here are additional instructions. :TU:
 

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NeoRetro said:
Sorry bro, i'm on jihhad against PES 6 right now (see efootball thread, perhaps i push it too much but it's my way to say WTF when i read tons of youtube vids with "PES 6 the best football game ever created", i just want to break a wall when i read it.
No the first time i tried WE10LE for i was "mehhh", but it's not a PES6 copy paste, there's small differences.
A very bad experience, the game seems even easier and faster (i'm pretty sure if the case) to do incredible things than PES 6.

What i believe is that those games seems totally made for replays, like on some Fifa who looks great when you see some goals compilation but are very bad when you play them. Joking but not that mutch.

Konami did each year a good version, i try to says in my mind that PES 6 is JLWE2007 or JLWE10 Europa . With JL2007 gameplay or at least, the only re-balanced JLWE10 Europa', big fans since the beginning
Still dynamic games, but enjoyable and finally completely balanced, the midfield doesn't make figurating.

The 3 only PES/WE i don't have the SD card for my PS2 + MX4SIO (to best way to play iso on PS2 directly on memory card entry) are WE10, PES6 and WE10LE.... I erased them after switching between versions. It's just not my thing when you can do easily things which are difficult to do IRL, and when players feels like super-heroes.

I own WE9LE as it's still a more or less good game but for me the most overrated as it's worst regarding all PES 5 version era (WE9 and JLWE9 bury it totally, but they aren't on PC) because it's seems the closer one from PES 6, like i remember @Madmac79 said once, i totally feel the same. But i admit it's a good game overall, by far in comparison to the 6th.
But your replays deserves a like as it's cool to watch. But like i said to all people sticked on PES6 : try others versions, i give you some suggestion. Perhaps you won't like all those versions but they're at least challenging in comparison.
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JLWE10 Europa is peak PES 6 because there exists a Clasicos patch for it. JLWE2007 is good too
 
NeoRetro said:
By exchanging WE8LE code (it's SLPM-65788) to PES4 (SLES 52760), you can open it with a "EditPes4Optionfile" editor.

But there's a good old patch with all kits and PES/WE utd replaced by the two japanese teams finalist on their cup.
Using JLeague WE8 as a basis.
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I found editpes4Optionfile 1.25 which opens and edits WE8LE save directly.

Since I find JLWE8AC and WE8LE gameplay really interesting I'm trying to experiment with slowing the game down.

I found the following to have an interesting effect in the gameplay, while keeping the "unpredictable" factor that I believe the WE8 family have more than any other game in the series.

All players:
Top Speed - 45
Accel - 45
Dribble speed - 30
Short pass acc - 20
short pass speed - 35
long pass acc - 20
long pass speed - 30
Shot accuracy - 10
Shot power - 30
aggression + 5
mentality + 5

Outfield players only:
Response - 35
Agility - 35

Keepers only:
Response - 10
Agility - 10
 
du0 said:
JLWE10 Europa is peak PES 6 because there exists a Clasicos patch for it. JLWE2007 is good too
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Not regarding gameplay, it's just than J-league patch are very few and too difficult for modding. And sorry but your argument is a bit WTF don't take it bad, but it's not even an argument : like i would say PES6 is better because there's 3 portugal teams i like instead of 2 lol. I said something totally random, don't search the point guys haha.

JLWE10 keeps a bit of PES6 bad taste but i like the game as most of PES6 trashes are removed and the game is cleaner, but JLWE2007 erase it and the game is more fresh, there's more differences and it's more balanced overall. Now to me both doesn't reach the 2008 iterations at all (PES WE and JLeague versions)

But they're still good to play, different. Objectively there's much more outcomes related to ball physics, controls, missing stuffs (i mean player's errors), now the balance is almost the same as those version.
Except JL2008 to me more balanced, it's weird than Juventino82 find that one easier it should be the way he plays : to me it's the hardest of the 3, slower, better AI and more balanced than those 06-07 games (restoring PES 6) and they already got a good balance. It's PES5 era level, except WE9 which is the most defensive of all versions.

Now i don't search the hardest game of all otherwise i would play WE9 jap only, as long as a version is challenging on the long term it's okay. And we all noticed that it's harder on Cup or League than Exhibition : teams are more aggressive and tactically handled.

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Talking about WE9 jap : , scores are too low finally and regarding real football > it's a bit too defensive or easy to defend. You will need to play intensively during 6 months to reproduce real life scores. But I'd like much more to have a game that not even manual and hard to score than an arcadey "for all family" games with tennis scores for people like us used to play football games. I leave that stuff to Nintendo, they manage to recreate it very well with fun.,
So in all case still love that version, it's on my top 4 (i prefers PES5 for the balance and small adds, less rigid).

So back to JLWE2008, Easier or not that version is the most polished and the one with the best dynamic and overall speed. i found PES 2008 too fast, less the case for the 2 others 2008 versions, and need the 2 WE as i want National teams too : it's the essence of ISS/PES from the beginning.
 
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millossobek said:
Quite a few people have asked me for the "PES 6 Superstar Level Mod" through PM. :)

This mod adds the "Superstar Level" in PES 6, IMO signficantly improving the awareness of the CPU. I've really enjoyed it!

I will link to it here for future reference. I include Cheat Engine 5.5 and the Superstar Level Instructions! (all quite straightforward, included in the Zip File)

In addition, if you want to play the Superstar Level Mod in Cup Mode, here are additional instructions. :TU:
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That's what i said before : PES6, thanks to PC gameplay mods improving each years, become good to play. But when i talk about a version : it will always be the vanilla one. I still tolerate games with small or more or less average club but not with teams just good enough and big ones. That's what we did when we played that version and found that the winner will probably be the one with the biggest roster. So we did a yearly league choosing Ligue 1.

But on 360 version, we did a 14 or 12 teams league with friends from WeArePES (old french website). On that version, we could've took higher rated clubs there wasn't thing like tanks passing through every players with tons of counters, that default wasn't on 360 version.
So the PES6 legend Adriano was a very good player but not incredible. Couldn't do the famous repeated simple trick such as rolling on every defs by running and shoot.

So don't feel insulted if i'm talking bad from PES6. On i still tolerate the vanilla version with small teams but average or big i just can't. And you would feel the same if all those PC patchs didn't got some small mods added, there's tons of tool to modify that version, and it's probably why it's the one with the most patches on PC.

But on PS2, the one with the most patch is PES 2014 as it's by far the easier to mod, there's tons of tool for it.

@paokkerkir i don't like stats mod as it can fuck up visually and tactically any game making it weird to play (and i'm a stats lover so i want players to get their original real visible stats as i considers it as their identity card), but you're pointing the most effective attributes to decrease. There's no tool to increase or decrease the stats effect and influence or modders could create by trying differents scheme one of the most the most realistic ever made probably even with PES6. Stats affect dicted practically everything regarding balance on those old versions.
 
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What is the birthday cut off date for ages in the old PES games? Meaning was it the players' ages as of a certain date, for example August 1, 2006?
 
the_dude said:
What is the birthday cut off date for ages in the old PES games? Meaning was it the players' ages as of a certain date, for example August 1, 2006?
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On older PES version it was : New season i ain't sure but there was player from the 28 august who didn't get one year more. Then i took a look about it closely:
1st September : +1 Years old.

On PES Ps4 version it's when the year end :
1st January : +1 years old

I edited a lot of those two versions you can believe me. I building something on for PES5 and 2021, but not for Console even if PES5 database will be compatible of course Not a lot to finish for PES5. PES2021 i'm taking information (i want a fully update 20-21 season as tons of leagues aren't).

But for the moment since 3 months i can't work on it like i want, less time due it due to personnal issues.
 
From WE 9 guide

# The Relationship Between Dribbling and Body Balance

Body balance affects various plays. Here, we examine the effect of body balance during dribbling. Using players with the conditions on the right, we investigated whether they could break through pressure from three situations and observed the impact on dribbling.

- Create players with body balance of 99 and 70.

- All other parameters are set to 70.

- Dribbling accuracy is set to 80 for both players.

- Do not use dash.

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# Test 1: Breaking Through Frontal Pressure

We attempted to dribble past an opposing defender from the front, but neither player succeeded in breaking through. However, while the player with 70 body balance was often knocked down immediately after losing the ball, the player with 99 body balance was rarely knocked down even after losing possession. This test revealed that players with higher body balance can restart play more quickly, allowing them to swiftly follow up on loose balls resulting from collisions.

> ◆ Even with high body balance, the ball can still be lost, but there were instances where the opposing defender was knocked down.

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# Test 2: Breaking Through Side Pressure

We attempted to break through side pressure with a straight dribble.
As a result, both players were highly likely to lose the ball when facing direct side pressure. However, against pressure from a diagonal rear angle, even the player with 70 body balance could withstand the pressure, and the player with 99 body balance could successfully dribble past.
The player with 99 body balance, in particular, could recover their stance even after being destabilized by the first press. However, if they were continuously pressed after losing balance, they were almost certain to lose the ball.

- **Direct Side**
When facing direct side pressure, it is advisable to give up on breaking through and opt to pass the ball instead.

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# Test 3: Breaking Through Pressure from Two Players

Finally, we tested whether it was possible to break through pressure from two players. The result was that neither player succeeded in breaking through. However, it was found that the player with 99 body balance could often draw fouls by being knocked down. If this is effectively utilized in the penalty area, it could create opportunities for penalty kicks. Depending on the number of opposing defenders and your position, it might not be a bad idea to take on the challenge.

- It would be wise to actively aim to draw fouls and create chances for penalty kicks.

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H_G said:
From WE 9 guide

# The Relationship Between Dribbling and Body Balance

Body balance affects various plays. Here, we examine the effect of body balance during dribbling. Using players with the conditions on the right, we investigated whether they could break through pressure from three situations and observed the impact on dribbling.

- Create players with body balance of 99 and 70.

- All other parameters are set to 70.

- Dribbling accuracy is set to 80 for both players.

- Do not use dash.

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# Test 1: Breaking Through Frontal Pressure

We attempted to dribble past an opposing defender from the front, but neither player succeeded in breaking through. However, while the player with 70 body balance was often knocked down immediately after losing the ball, the player with 99 body balance was rarely knocked down even after losing possession. This test revealed that players with higher body balance can restart play more quickly, allowing them to swiftly follow up on loose balls resulting from collisions.

> ◆ Even with high body balance, the ball can still be lost, but there were instances where the opposing defender was knocked down.

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# Test 2: Breaking Through Side Pressure

We attempted to break through side pressure with a straight dribble.
As a result, both players were highly likely to lose the ball when facing direct side pressure. However, against pressure from a diagonal rear angle, even the player with 70 body balance could withstand the pressure, and the player with 99 body balance could successfully dribble past.
The player with 99 body balance, in particular, could recover their stance even after being destabilized by the first press. However, if they were continuously pressed after losing balance, they were almost certain to lose the ball.

- **Direct Side**
When facing direct side pressure, it is advisable to give up on breaking through and opt to pass the ball instead.

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# Test 3: Breaking Through Pressure from Two Players

Finally, we tested whether it was possible to break through pressure from two players. The result was that neither player succeeded in breaking through. However, it was found that the player with 99 body balance could often draw fouls by being knocked down. If this is effectively utilized in the penalty area, it could create opportunities for penalty kicks. Depending on the number of opposing defenders and your position, it might not be a bad idea to take on the challenge.

- It would be wise to actively aim to draw fouls and create chances for penalty kicks.

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Not sure if its helpful but here's some info that @AfroNeville left related to some special abilities Post in thread 'PES 5 93/94 Season' https://evoweb.uk/threads/pes-5-93-94-season.94811/post-4137247
 
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the_dude said:
What is the birthday cut off date for ages in the old PES games? Meaning was it the players' ages as of a certain date, for example August 1, 2006?
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I've researched it for PES 6, JL 2007, PES 2008, WE 2008 and JL 2008. WE 2008 was weird, with a cut off for clubs and a different one for NT.
Let me a couple of days to find it back in one of my HDD and I'll post them.

@NeoRetro , this is WE 2008 that I find easier than PES 2008, not JL 2008 (which I have not played enough). To me, WE 2008 (6th difficulty, the max) is easier than PES 2008 (5th, max one). But it can really be a very personal opinion.
 
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