vialli82
International
- 4 September 2005
- Juventus
Response didn't really disappeared : they were actively linked with Attack and Defence, but also speed stats (see wingers).
In Attack or if your team is in possession or Defence if your teams isn't : i don't know. But it was a "speed" linked stat.
But i remember looking and comparing a lots of stats from a PES to another : Sometimes a player got a change of values like - in Defense, + in Response, especially for some strikers.
And you can check with some exception, the strikers such as Batistuta, Trézéguet got very high stat in response got or lower stats in Speed or Defence, or both.
Now it's just separated with Reaction in Attack and Reaction in Defence to simplify the system (Attack Prowess and Def Prowess). When they retranslated from PES 2013 to 2014 as it was too hard to handle those stats separately : the calculation to get Attack/Def Prowess was "(Attack+Attack+Reaction)/3
Same for Defence.
And Ball Winning was linked with Balance and Speed, i founded at that time how it was calculated on PSD for the 3 stats, but Ball Winning was hard to found.
Because it depended to the higher in terms of attack "A" Position of the player. (Balance+Balance+Def)/3 simply for a CB or SB ONLY. That's why Maldini got so low stat in Ball Winning with a "A" on LMF...
And the same, but *0.75 if the player was a CF. *0.85 i remember for SMF.
To me, it was pretty dumb for a calculation. It should've impact the 3 new stats regarding the position, not only Ball Winning.
But as i said before, as they rated low Attack or Defence player with high Reaction... Very rare players got a high stats in both. Excepted some monsters.
Now when you add Ball Winning in the equation in more for Defense : it's totally separate and no need to made calculation + and -.
I shouldn't say it's better, but by far less difficult to rate. Like Teamwork impacted so much the... Whole team, they removed the too difficult stats to rate.
Reaction is still there, But separated from Reaction > Offence and Reaction > Defence.
For GK : we never found how they rated it, probably random, or something totally different as it's a special position.
Also, i know from a very sure source, Data Editor there were hidden stats, linked only for Online or in the Core database... They couldn't change them, it was locked. If you know one who worked under it ask him you'll see i ain't lying.
There was 4-5 stats, i already told some, Covering, and a very interesting stats which is the same as shoot technique but for both passe and shoot : -Passing/Kicking Technique. Also, the "Growth type" still exist, they can rate it... Very sad we can't, for created players. Dunno if it's an automatic system or not.
Sad we don't have access to any of those, it's not like were forbidden to rate it as "simple" editor and too dumb for it.
One, if i remember well, was "Agression" and they kinda unlocked it in game... But nothing about Tight Possession or Dribbling. More technical/intelligence stats where hidden.
In Attack or if your team is in possession or Defence if your teams isn't : i don't know. But it was a "speed" linked stat.
But i remember looking and comparing a lots of stats from a PES to another : Sometimes a player got a change of values like - in Defense, + in Response, especially for some strikers.
And you can check with some exception, the strikers such as Batistuta, Trézéguet got very high stat in response got or lower stats in Speed or Defence, or both.
Now it's just separated with Reaction in Attack and Reaction in Defence to simplify the system (Attack Prowess and Def Prowess). When they retranslated from PES 2013 to 2014 as it was too hard to handle those stats separately : the calculation to get Attack/Def Prowess was "(Attack+Attack+Reaction)/3
Same for Defence.
And Ball Winning was linked with Balance and Speed, i founded at that time how it was calculated on PSD for the 3 stats, but Ball Winning was hard to found.
Because it depended to the higher in terms of attack "A" Position of the player. (Balance+Balance+Def)/3 simply for a CB or SB ONLY. That's why Maldini got so low stat in Ball Winning with a "A" on LMF...
And the same, but *0.75 if the player was a CF. *0.85 i remember for SMF.
To me, it was pretty dumb for a calculation. It should've impact the 3 new stats regarding the position, not only Ball Winning.
But as i said before, as they rated low Attack or Defence player with high Reaction... Very rare players got a high stats in both. Excepted some monsters.
Now when you add Ball Winning in the equation in more for Defense : it's totally separate and no need to made calculation + and -.
I shouldn't say it's better, but by far less difficult to rate. Like Teamwork impacted so much the... Whole team, they removed the too difficult stats to rate.
Reaction is still there, But separated from Reaction > Offence and Reaction > Defence.
For GK : we never found how they rated it, probably random, or something totally different as it's a special position.
Also, i know from a very sure source, Data Editor there were hidden stats, linked only for Online or in the Core database... They couldn't change them, it was locked. If you know one who worked under it ask him you'll see i ain't lying.
There was 4-5 stats, i already told some, Covering, and a very interesting stats which is the same as shoot technique but for both passe and shoot : -Passing/Kicking Technique. Also, the "Growth type" still exist, they can rate it... Very sad we can't, for created players. Dunno if it's an automatic system or not.
Sad we don't have access to any of those, it's not like were forbidden to rate it as "simple" editor and too dumb for it.
One, if i remember well, was "Agression" and they kinda unlocked it in game... But nothing about Tight Possession or Dribbling. More technical/intelligence stats where hidden.
