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@WhoAteMeDinner: Miguel and Matt! What compelled us to create Amador was the fact that football is losing all its meaning. Even when watching my favourite team play nowadays, I often wonder "why the hell am I supporting them?" It's just a bunch of guys from all over the world, same as in every other team in the world. A decade ago those players would stick around together for many seasons, which at least created some attatchment between fans and players, but now...most portuguese league's teams these days sell 15 players and buy another 15 each season. Greed is ruining football from any way you look at the issue (players/managers/boards/FIFAs and UEFAs) and eroding all meaning it used to have.
 
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Further to my main men: @mattmid , @miguelfcp , @rockstrongo and @fmicablues7 have all discussed here about the sad and greed-ridden state of contemporary football. (That has even compelled poor Miguel to build an entire fantasy football universe from scratch).

I have been looking around the web for what is coming down the tracks after the uninspiring to say the least, launch of the UEFA Nations League. The ESPN article below outlines a grim future of corporate football tournaments controlled by the international super rich and autocratic states and their ill-gotten means.

http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-nat...l-nations-league-would-outshine-the-world-cup
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It's a horrible future,I'm against all form of modern football (all seaters/clubs run by oil dudes from Dubai etc)
I used to think that NBA/NHL etc were the height of greedy sports leagues,nowadays PL is far worse,not to mention Uefa.

I acctually think the American system is better than most leagues here when it comes to "fair play"
Rather have salary caps,trades instead of massive transfer deals.
European football has gone completely down the toilet.

It's gonna end with coca cola united Vs McDonald's city.
Look at what La Liga Santander has implemented this season,one game played in Merica,not a friendly,but a league game.
Ripped out from the supporter's supporting their local team just to satisfy and broadening the La Liga market.
I'm so glad I'm supporting a team/league that operates under the 51% rule.
Yes modern football can fuck off.
Bet we all see examples off the local kids/families watching Man City on a Monday night on the telly rather than watch their local team.
Yes sir it can fuck right off
 
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@WhoAteMeDinner "Fans will probably love it. Far more people care about national teams than clubs"

What absolute ill informed tosh. If my team and England played on the same day from now to eternity it wouldn't even be a contest which one I would choose to go and watch.

As to the idea, same old reason behind anything UEFA and FIFA come up with and that's cash.



Oh and for myclub see above! Same principle - money. Further than that I have no real idea as in the one game I have from recent times I've never even clicked it.
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I'm not very interested in watching sweden play,I see it as side thing,club is always nr 1,besides the national team always has some wanker from a rival club playing in it.
 
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This picture is from today's EFL League 1 game between Blackpool and Bradford City, watched highlights tonight on Discovery Quest (awful presenter and panel but at least can see the EFL again).

The other three stands were half full at best I think, and many other League 1 and League 2 games had half empty stadiums too.

Football is totally bolloxed.:CURSE::CURSE::CURSE:
 
rockstrongo said:
It's a horrible future,I'm against all form of modern football (all seaters/clubs run by oil dudes from Dubai etc)
I used to think that NBA/NHL etc were the height of greedy sports leagues,nowadays PL is far worse,not to mention Uefa.

I acctually think the American system is better than most leagues here when it comes to "fair play"
Rather have salary caps,trades instead of massive transfer deals.
European football has gone completely down the toilet.

It's gonna end with coca cola united Vs McDonald's city.
Look at what La Liga Santander has implemented this season,one game played in Merica,not a friendly,but a league game.
Ripped out from the supporter's supporting their local team just to satisfy and broadening the La Liga market.
I'm so glad I'm supporting a team/league that operates under the 51% rule.
Yes modern football can fuck off.
Bet we all see examples off the local kids/families watching Man City on a Monday night on the telly rather than watch their local team.
Yes sir it can fuck right off
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@rockstrongo , And the worse thing about that ESPN article is that the writer seemed to think a World Nations League and expanded World Club Championship is a great idea. I mean wtf ???
You are right about the big league American sports: NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL. All have an equality based policy in terms of team competition, (which is very ironic in one of the most unequal and unfair societies on the planet). They have as you say salary caps for each squad, players trades on like for like basis and most notably the draft system where the most useless teams from the previous season get to pick the best young players from the college leagues of each sport.
 
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@WhoAteMeDinner: Miguel and Matt! What compelled us to create Amador was the fact that football is losing all its meaning. Even when watching my favourite team play nowadays, I often wonder "why the hell am I supporting them?" It's just a bunch of guys from all over the world, same as in every other team in the world. A decade ago those players would stick around together for many seasons, which at least created some attatchment between fans and players, but now...most portuguese league's teams these days sell 15 players and buy another 15 each season. Greed is ruining football from any way you look at the issue (players/managers/boards/FIFAs and UEFAs) and eroding all meaning it used to have.
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@miguelfcp , always noticed that about Portuguese football, much like Brazil and Argentina, young players get snatched by the big european clubs at an absurdly young age. As you say, players from across the planet at every big club and never stick around for too long.

But even worse is the sort of supranational mega-rich cartel that now owns and runs football worldwide. These people have no loyalty, love of, or commitment to any one place or even country. They are a kind of corporate plague of locusts that swarm from one continent to another, using their swindled billions to buy up everything from mines to steelworks to sports clubs and view all investments as the same cash cows, the world over.

Poor people blame other poor people from other countries for their woes, the true enemy is the international and stateless plutocracy.

My solution can't be written here, sadly.
 
I don’t know if you watch Volleyball ,as most of you are from central and north Europe where volley ball is not so popular.Guys from Mediterranean countries or east Europe may know better.The last years the have formed some National Leagues ,World Volley ball League and European League trying to help the sport improve from its semipro state.The result is many unnecessary national games with no interest,and also it disturbed the club competitions such as Volley clubs champions league which is loosing importance and imterest.
In conclusion instead of improving The sport it only resulted to loosing fans.Football associations should check this and not watch only for short timed results like money income and tv rights.
 
@WhoAteMeDinner Yeah but with Blackpool there's a very good reason for those empty stands. Guess what it is? Yep, the owner. He's absolutely destroying the club. Most of the fans have got together and will not go to home games until he's gone, hence the empty stands. They have a decent away following because they'll only go to away games. Great to see the fans fighting back and hitting him in the pocket, which sadly is the only thing they can do while they watch him destroy THEIR club.

Lower league clubs are actually getting fairly good support these days because it's the only clubs left where you can watch real football with players that actually stick around more than a season and have some kind of affinity with the club. Let's not forget, in England at least, I can't comment on elsewhere, in total, more people go to watch lower league football than the Premier. Also there's no tourists.
 
Well I guess it all started when they allowed clubs to have more than 3(?) foreign players. After that it was a market revolution. I remember some spanish team having 9 portuguese players in their eleven, or Barcelona in Van Gaal era, who seemed to try to build a Dutch empire, destroying players like Vitor Baía and even Figo, who left to Real Madrid a while after. It’s all about money, market and influences.
Sad thing, it has translated to video games, it’s everywhere. It’s all about finding what sells instead of what’s good. Worse thing is, most people enjoy this stupid offer, games are not about the story anymore, not about the good moments. They’re just a race to find who has more online points, no matter what.
 
@xicpanad and @WhoAteMeDinner: Spot on! I'll pick the last paragraph of Xic's post to introduce Ultimate Team's carbon copy that is myClub to you Dinner: it's a game mode where players are cards, and the purpose is to use those cards to climb an online ladder of divisions that is utterly meaningless because you don't know or give a f*ck about anyone else who you're competing against. Kind of like modern real-life football on steroids. Like Xic says, it has no story, no narrative, nothing. It's a mindless robotic grind to climb a virtual, fake ladder that leads you nowhere.
 
MyClub is all about playing it right. From what I hear they have removed offline component which is bad - but I don't care because I don't have PES 2019.

Anyway, it can be a great game mode but you have to use your imagination.

I'm just going to play a COM game now. I'll be back in a tick.
 
So MyClub is a game mode that lasts 3 years IMO. This in itself puts a lot of people off - who has this kind of time?

However, as we are now in year 2 of PES 2018 let me explain.

As you may know we start with a default team.

I want to make this My Club but I cannot do that if I have no players nor the space nor the money for contracts.

So year 1 is about building my empire. Along the journey you will come across some hidden gems. Or you may miss out on bagging a player you wanted.

My general aim since 2015 MyClubs has been to create a custom Spurs squad each time. Each year I do this and the masses move on and so do I. But not this year.

My team is :
Manager Pochettino

---------------Kane---------------
-----------Cesar-----Alli------------
Arnautovic-----------------Sissoko
------Wanyama---Huddlestone---------
----Otamendi---Chiellini---Mustafi----
-----------Ederson------------


So whilst I have a decent team I still want to one day get Lloris, Lucas, Vertoghnen etc.

My squad has the likes of CR7 and Ibra so if ever I wanted to play with these I can.

Year 2 is about going against the grain - separating the sheep and the cheats. This is an experimental stage for me at the moment so I'll see how it goes.

Year 3 is when the servers switch and by them I'll hopefully have established my final 18 for offline play.

Its a good premise of a mode that is let down heavily by the online player base and the unwillingness to improve the mode (e.g. the ability to reset player stats like goals scored would be handy to me)

Without offline mode in PES 2019, I think its dead from the start and the best of MyCLub is behind us.

PS : Sorry if offtopic - i just came across the last post here and felt i should comment. thanks

PS2 : No coins bought btw
 
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I have to confess (shamefully) that I've played a lot (10-15 games) of Myclub so far.
Mainly because I was curious.
Have a shit team (generic players,like ML players) and I have on my played Vs com.
The thing is,maybe you who have played more Myclub than me can explain,but I see less "AI bug low cross" in this mode than ML.
And I would never pay a single penny playing it either,GP and Myclub coins earned by playing games etc is plenty to get a decent team.

I wasn't going to buy Pes 19,but since it was given to me by the Mrs,dirt cheap I've given it some games.

The general concept of Myclub (take away people buying massive packs for loads of money) it's really not a bad idea.
I like the concept,but not how it's used by people whos only interested in sporting the baddest team ever etc.

Since ML is stiff and boring on modern games,playing online or doing this every now and then is pretty relaxing
 
rockstrongo said:
I have to confess (shamefully) that I've played a lot (10-15 games) of Myclub so far.
Mainly because I was curious.
Have a shit team (generic players,like ML players) and I have on my played Vs com.
The thing is,maybe you who have played more Myclub than me can explain,but I see less "AI bug low cross" in this mode than ML.
And I would never pay a single penny playing it either,GP and Myclub coins earned by playing games etc is plenty to get a decent team.

I wasn't going to buy Pes 19,but since it was given to me by the Mrs,dirt cheap I've given it some games.

The general concept of Myclub (take away people buying massive packs for loads of money) it's really not a bad idea.
I like the concept,but not how it's used by people whos only interested in sporting the baddest team ever etc.

Since ML is stiff and boring on modern games,playing online or doing this every now and then is pretty relaxing
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For me, the problems with new 2019 myclub are :

1. I have a teams/squads on 2018 - i do not want to repeat another laborious year (myclub feels like work rather than play a lot of the time...this has changed as squad is now there)

2. if I move to 2019, I miss out on experimenting more and learning with 2018.

3. I strongly suspect the AI cross issue is a deliberate move to push people to online. I don't like these type of tactics so I will try to stay away.

4. what happens after a year and online peeps move on?

But everyone has their own approach and if its for a decent pickup and play online game then 2019 will do.

For me, games are about longevity so I take my approach having acquired MyClub "knowledge" over the past 3-4 years.
 
rockstrongo said:
I have to confess (shamefully) that I've played a lot (10-15 games) of Myclub so far.
Mainly because I was curious.
Have a shit team (generic players,like ML players) and I have on my played Vs com.
The thing is,maybe you who have played more Myclub than me can explain,but I see less "AI bug low cross" in this mode than ML.
And I would never pay a single penny playing it either,GP and Myclub coins earned by playing games etc is plenty to get a decent team.

I wasn't going to buy Pes 19,but since it was given to me by the Mrs,dirt cheap I've given it some games.

The general concept of Myclub (take away people buying massive packs for loads of money) it's really not a bad idea.
I like the concept,but not how it's used by people whos only interested in sporting the baddest team ever etc.

Since ML is stiff and boring on modern games,playing online or doing this every now and then is pretty relaxing
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So basically, the MyClub thing was just a copycat number from FIFA land. Hmmmm, I am thinking what would make me buy a PES game from the last ten editions. Here is my idea:

A massive expansion of the Master League to create a vast football pyramid structure, maybe ten or twelve tiers deep, like in England or Germany. (2,200 leagues in Germany for example).

Expand the number of default players and youth players to hundreds, making a genuine alternative player universe to pick and develop anonymous journeymen as you progress up the ML pyramid of leagues. And remove the need to buy real life big name players. (Most contemporary footballers are total wank*rs in any case).

And finally, and most importantly, bring back the full four or five pages of player stats, special abilities and position data.

Do all this and Konami might have a proper football game once again. :SNACK:
 
Online modes and general gaming has turned into a profit business, taking advantage of addicted players just like casinos do with gambling. They found a worlwide niche, and its a great source of income, wich means that offline gaming is dying. I tried online games years ago, and after a long time, I decided it wasn´t for me. The dificulty in finding serious players, and also the time I have is simply not enough to engage in such agenda. I have to rely on offline mode.

Really having a blast on WE9LE. Graphics don´t matter and licenses are unnecessary when you have such a fun on pitch. I almost forgot about PES 2019 by now. If I´m going to change to another version, maybe PES 6. My only complain about WE9LE is the fact that FB´s often stay inside, allowing me to exploit the flanks easily. At least crossing is not as effective as in newer versions but still, I would love to see a better positioning on that department, both human and CPU.
 
I am having a blast too with WE9LE. I didn't notice what you are talking about yet @xicpanad. I am using Ciais' Kitserver gameplay module and the Reserved memory fix + internal resolution fix exe from kingslay and the game plays and looks superb. Actually I find stadium looks better on this game than say PES 2013.

I am slowly editing lazoli OF with stats converted from FM2007 default database (using PES 2009 editor 3.0) and correcting few names mistake (they are very few). I will be happy to share it if anyone is interested once it is completed (English Premier league is done + 16 Ligue1 teams).

Edit: I like the conversion w!ild tool gives in general, I just have some doubt about the defense value it gives for goalkeepers. The tool tends to give average GK good defensive values while world class GK have much lower rating than konami default (Buffon 86 vs 97; Cech 86 vs 92; Kahn 84 vs 96... ). I am not sure about for what that stat stands for, for GK? I can't really find this info inside the game manual, their is no special mention for GK outside that it is one of the most important stat for them. Does someone has any clue?
 
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Hmmm, that looks interesting. Maybe it´s the tactics implemented on my option file, wich came in a Sany´s WE9LE installer. I´ll check that out soon, as well as the kingslay resolution fix.
 
WhoAteMeDinner said:
So basically, the MyClub thing was just a copycat number from FIFA land. Hmmmm, I am thinking what would make me buy a PES game from the last ten editions. Here is my idea:

A massive expansion of the Master League to create a vast football pyramid structure, maybe ten or twelve tiers deep, like in England or Germany. (2,200 leagues in Germany for example).

Expand the number of default players and youth players to hundreds, making a genuine alternative player universe to pick and develop anonymous journeymen as you progress up the ML pyramid of leagues. And remove the need to buy real life big name players. (Most contemporary footballers are total wank*rs in any case).

And finally, and most importantly, bring back the full four or five pages of player stats, special abilities and position data.

Do all this and Konami might have a proper football game once again. :SNACK:
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I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat,solid setup mate.
Yes it is a ripoff from EAs fifa,which they stole from 2k.
And obviously it's gonna get worse,more micro transaction,soon it will be all paying,no freebies,just like on 2k,which has the best offline mode in sports,even has that in an online version Vs humans,great fun.

But,they also have a horrible micro transaction for team building online and building a player to online with (join online leagues etc)
You can build your player with "fictional" currency from games etc,but on both 17-18 that would take so long time that when your player is 85-90 ovr,online service would be shut down.

So at the same time,the best Offline,and the worst online of them all
 
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Guys, what is the easiest way to make an european ps2 read japan games like WE8LE or WE10 ? I see a lot of confusing tutorials out there on the web. Swap magic seems like the easiest way, but i'm not sure.
 
fmicablues7 said:
Guys, what is the easiest way to make an european ps2 read japan games like WE8LE or WE10 ? I see a lot of confusing tutorials out there on the web. Swap magic seems like the easiest way, but i'm not sure.
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He's coming home, he's coming home, he's coming...... @fmicablues7 is coming home to Playstation 2 land, the true home of PES gaming, then, now and always.

:D:D:D

So we now have in the Playstation 2 PES players club: @WhoAteMeDinner , @miguelfcp , @rockstrongo and @fmicablues7 .
 
@xicpanad: I understand you, a PS2 slim is so sexy it'd be threating...:PINKS:
Do yourself a favor and buy it with two controllers, play a PES3 P1 vs P1 match with the wife and whenever someone concedes a goal has to lose a piece of clothing.
You're welcome. These were the kinds of things I'd be writing if I worked for Cosmopolitan.
 
xicpanad said:
Ahh you bastards! Reminding me of good old days with PS2´s soccer gaming. I won´t buy a PS2 for sure now... I have a reputation to keep in my marriage ahahah!
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Screw that dude, channel your inner child, otherwise you will wake up some dull morning and stick your head in the microwave just to give yourself a rush......

Get a Playstation 2 to avoid this grim ending. :FISH:
 
miguelfcp said:
@xicpanad: I understand you, a PS2 slim is so sexy it'd be threating...:PINKS:
Do yourself a favor and buy it with two controllers, play a PES3 P1 vs P1 match with the wife and whenever someone concedes a goal has to lose a piece of clothing.
You're welcome. These were the kinds of things I'd be writing if I worked for Cosmopolitan.
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Surely there has to be some female PES gamers on here ?
 
WE9LE is a great game, but after playing it for a few years, it becomes too easy, especially defensively. Last time i played it, i had like 10 games in a row without a goal conceded.
 
WhoAteMeDinner said:
He's coming home, he's coming home, he's coming...... @fmicablues7 is coming home to Playstation 2 land, the true home of PES gaming, then, now and always.
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I wouldn't sing that Mr Dinner, it never happens, believe me!

miguelfcp said:
@xicpanad: I understand you, a PS2 slim is so sexy it'd be threating...:PINKS:
Do yourself a favor and buy it with two controllers, play a PES3 P1 vs P1 match with the wife and whenever someone concedes a goal has to lose a piece of clothing.
You're welcome. These were the kinds of things I'd be writing if I worked for Cosmopolitan.
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Those bloody 0-0 draws!
 
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