FlawlessCowboy
Stunted
- 5 July 2004
Yeah, wasn't it RuneEdge or Kevano or someone?
Sony PlayStation 3
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hello
Milanista said:
v v true - but...it's cos they had to (arguably tho...personally I'll be too arrogant to spend a penny over the RRP). Presuming the low stock fiasco is gonna repeat...that's gonna be 420 plus the extortionate profit the seller wishes to charge
Anyone else just not excited about the ps3 at all, I'll probably still end up getting one at some point but at the minute theres no reason for me to even want one. I was looking forward to the Wii, but then no HD? That is a major downside for me.
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ThomasGOAL
Retired Footballer
- 15 March 2003
E3: Phil Harrison on PS3 - software and hardware
Sony has achieved its objectives for E3 2006, says Harrison
In recent years, Phil Harrison has not only been promoted within Sony to the point where he runs the firm's worldwide network of development studios, he has also become the de facto face of the company at industry events around the globe.
Despite his new-found high profile, however, Harrison remains a software man - so when we sat down with him for a brief chat at E3 this week in the wake of the firm's announcements, the company's hardware and software strategies were definitely top of the agenda, but its hugely controversial pricing announcement was not.
We hope to bring you more coverage of Sony's plans - and the reaction to them - in the coming days - in the meanwhile, we hope you enjoy these insights from the man in charge of what may be the most crucial component of all in the firm's bid to retain its market leadership in the next generation; the software.
GamesIndustry.biz: All three companies laid their cards on the table earlier this week - from your perspective, what do you make of the three conferences and the reaction to them so far?
Phil Harrison: Sadly, I haven't actually had a chance to watch the other two conferences, but I've heard enough reports. I think that if we think the industry or the future of the business is defined by this week of press conferences... Then, we're very much mistaken. I think it's going to be defined by what the consumer thinks and what the industry thinks, and what the game developers think. It's not just about the press conferences.
I think the pieces of the PlayStation 3 puzzle are now fully revealed. Obviously we did the hardware last year, this year it's confirming or re-asserting certain elements of it - obviously, people know about Blu-Ray, but confirming that every machine has a hard disc drive in it, I think, was an important step. Confirming that we've got a new controller strategy was an important step, and showing lots of games was an important step. So, those were the main take-outs, and I think that as far as that was concerned, we achieved our objectives.
Your strategy and Microsoft's strategy are very divergent, in that Microsoft is offering consumers a choice - whether to have HD-DVD or not, whether to have a hard drive or not - while you're putting everything into a very expensive box and saying that they take all or nothing. Why that direction? Why not have a system where people who don't want to pay that premium for Blu-Ray don't have to?
Leaving aside the movie debate about Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, purely from a game design point of view and a game production point of view, we have to have Blu-Ray. DVD is just not big enough; DVD9 is nowhere near big enough for the kind of games, the richness that we're going to be putting in the games, the variety, the detail, you name it.
So, we had to adopt Blu-Ray primarily as a game format. The second benefit of it is that it becomes a video format as well. Putting it all in one box, as you say, is also down to the fact that a hard disc drive is necessary to create a totally integrated network platform. We want every consumer to be able to download and install content on their hard disc drive. If you want to put all your music on your hard disc drive, you'll probably go for the 60GB version. If you're a complete music fan and video fan, and you want to have huge amounts of digital content, then you can upgrade to whatever size of drive you like. You can put any in that you like - it is a computer, after all.
So that hard drive is a standard PC drive?
ATA, bog standard, yeah.
You're not going to be selling Sony drive upgrades?
We've got no plan to. We may offer something, but we have no plan to at the moment.
Talking about software - how many titles do you actually have on the show floor this week? I think we counted a dozen...
I think it's fifteen playable games. At the conference, we had three titles from Japan - GT HD, Eye of Judgement and Genji 2, we had three from Europe - Singstar, Heavenly Sword and F1, and two from the US - Warhawk and Resistance. That was pretty evenly split.
The controller. You showed off the boomerang, then said it was a prototype, and now you've come back and done the Dual Shock but with a twist - no pun intended. How long have you known that this was the plan?
[The motion sensing controller] has been thought about since about 1994, but in reality, you can't make some of the ideas that we have because the technology is not available in sufficient quantity or at a low enough price, and you kind of have to wait for certain things to converge. We had the concept of PlayStation Portable for many years before we could actually deliver it at a price and at a standard that was acceptable.
The controller is obviously a surprise to the industry. We've been thinking about it for a while, but it's a relatively recent addition to the format. We didn't show it last year, because we weren't ready to. The boomerang, as you call it, was very clearly designed as a design concept, and was never intended to be the final controller, despite what everybody said about it.
I think we certainly saw the strength of feeling that existed about the boomerang - even though nobody in the world ever held it in their hand. I thought that was very interesting, that people were criticising it for what it looked like, not how it felt.
When you made the decision to put the tilt functions into the pad, how heavily influenced was that by the great response Nintendo has had to the same kind of technology in the Wii controller?
I think that some of the research that we've done, clearly other companies have been doing as well - so there's nothing completely surprising about that. But I know that the strategy was to take what was already a winning formula - to have a controller as well regarded as it, and kind of the de facto industry standard that this PlayStation shape controller has become. If you include the ones that are packed in, the secondary ones and the knock-offs that are the same shape, there are probably around 400 million of these things that have been sold on PSone and PS2.
So, we kind of took an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" strategy - but by adding motion sensitivity to the controller... Well, we didn't start the wave, but we've kind of jumped onto that wave. I'm quite happy to admit that, but that will be one of the defining characteristics of next-generation gaming, the complexity and sophistication of input that you can get from a very simple device.
What I'm really keen to communicate is the fact that by sticking with the PlayStation controller, you have this very comfortable, two-handed approach that gamers are very familiar with - and it allows you to have two channels of input. You've got your primary input that may be normal buttons, normal sticks, nothing particularly revolutionary - no pun intended - but we can also add secondary motion, and we can detect the secondary movement of the pad in addition to the primary buttons.
When you play games, everybody does the same thing - they always move the controller around. Well, we can now start to add that secondary motion into the game design, and the way that the game reacts to the user.
Is this also an attempt on your part to give a bit of a kick in the teeth to cross-platform development? Now all three next-gen consoles will have different control systems, it's going to make it much harder to port the same games between them while taking advantage of those systems.
I think you're right, but I don't think that was actually the plan. I think that that is the outcome - you want to make the games and the experiences that you offer on your platform as unique and as defendable as you possibly can, and obviously that innovation is one of them.
That said, I think that with some exceptions, first party will probably be the majority of the exclusives on PlayStation 3. It's just the reality of the world that we live in - and it was very kind of Microsoft to announce one of those [multi-platform titles] for us.
Looking again at the software line-up, are you happy with where you are with development on the system at the moment?
Happy, but not satisfied. We can always do better, we can always have more - but I think we've shown enough breadth and we've shown enough quality, and we've shown a direction of where we're going to end up at launch. We're six months away from launch, remember, and there are some very polished games on our stand, which I don't think you've ever seen from another platform launch. That includes our own - PSone and PS2 - this far out from launch.
Aren't you concerned though that in November, your launch titles - which have traditionally been pretty rocky - are going to be going head to head with second and even third wave games on the Xbox 360?
Am I concerned... Well, I wouldn't say concerned, but I'm certainly conscious of that. I think that we will have games that are really compelling and are really going to deliver on the promise, but I don't think it'll be an issue.
On PlayStation 2, we didn't start to see really impressive stuff until a couple of years into the life of the console, because it took that long for developers to get up to speed. The guys at Microsoft make a lot of allusions to how easy their console is to develop to compared to yours; how do you respond to that? Is it true of PlayStation 3, as it was of PS2? Is there going to be a one or two year cycle where developers are still just getting to grips with this platform?
I think the PlayStation 2 was a difficult machine to write for, especially to really maximise what it was capable of on the vector units, VU0 and VU1, the proprietary SIMD engines, because they used fairly low-level programming techniques to program for them. However, that didn't stop us selling a hundred and something million, and having a billion plus software units sold for the machine, and global average of 77 per cent plus market share.
On PlayStation 3, however, the Cell SPUs are programmed with high-level programming languages, and that allows us to get great performance with general-purpose programming techniques. So, the short answer is, it's much, much easier to program for. Witness the fact that we've got so much software up and running, and playable, this far out from launch.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=16969
Sony has achieved its objectives for E3 2006, says Harrison
In recent years, Phil Harrison has not only been promoted within Sony to the point where he runs the firm's worldwide network of development studios, he has also become the de facto face of the company at industry events around the globe.
Despite his new-found high profile, however, Harrison remains a software man - so when we sat down with him for a brief chat at E3 this week in the wake of the firm's announcements, the company's hardware and software strategies were definitely top of the agenda, but its hugely controversial pricing announcement was not.
We hope to bring you more coverage of Sony's plans - and the reaction to them - in the coming days - in the meanwhile, we hope you enjoy these insights from the man in charge of what may be the most crucial component of all in the firm's bid to retain its market leadership in the next generation; the software.
GamesIndustry.biz: All three companies laid their cards on the table earlier this week - from your perspective, what do you make of the three conferences and the reaction to them so far?
Phil Harrison: Sadly, I haven't actually had a chance to watch the other two conferences, but I've heard enough reports. I think that if we think the industry or the future of the business is defined by this week of press conferences... Then, we're very much mistaken. I think it's going to be defined by what the consumer thinks and what the industry thinks, and what the game developers think. It's not just about the press conferences.
I think the pieces of the PlayStation 3 puzzle are now fully revealed. Obviously we did the hardware last year, this year it's confirming or re-asserting certain elements of it - obviously, people know about Blu-Ray, but confirming that every machine has a hard disc drive in it, I think, was an important step. Confirming that we've got a new controller strategy was an important step, and showing lots of games was an important step. So, those were the main take-outs, and I think that as far as that was concerned, we achieved our objectives.
Your strategy and Microsoft's strategy are very divergent, in that Microsoft is offering consumers a choice - whether to have HD-DVD or not, whether to have a hard drive or not - while you're putting everything into a very expensive box and saying that they take all or nothing. Why that direction? Why not have a system where people who don't want to pay that premium for Blu-Ray don't have to?
Leaving aside the movie debate about Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, purely from a game design point of view and a game production point of view, we have to have Blu-Ray. DVD is just not big enough; DVD9 is nowhere near big enough for the kind of games, the richness that we're going to be putting in the games, the variety, the detail, you name it.
So, we had to adopt Blu-Ray primarily as a game format. The second benefit of it is that it becomes a video format as well. Putting it all in one box, as you say, is also down to the fact that a hard disc drive is necessary to create a totally integrated network platform. We want every consumer to be able to download and install content on their hard disc drive. If you want to put all your music on your hard disc drive, you'll probably go for the 60GB version. If you're a complete music fan and video fan, and you want to have huge amounts of digital content, then you can upgrade to whatever size of drive you like. You can put any in that you like - it is a computer, after all.
So that hard drive is a standard PC drive?
ATA, bog standard, yeah.
You're not going to be selling Sony drive upgrades?
We've got no plan to. We may offer something, but we have no plan to at the moment.
Talking about software - how many titles do you actually have on the show floor this week? I think we counted a dozen...
I think it's fifteen playable games. At the conference, we had three titles from Japan - GT HD, Eye of Judgement and Genji 2, we had three from Europe - Singstar, Heavenly Sword and F1, and two from the US - Warhawk and Resistance. That was pretty evenly split.
The controller. You showed off the boomerang, then said it was a prototype, and now you've come back and done the Dual Shock but with a twist - no pun intended. How long have you known that this was the plan?
[The motion sensing controller] has been thought about since about 1994, but in reality, you can't make some of the ideas that we have because the technology is not available in sufficient quantity or at a low enough price, and you kind of have to wait for certain things to converge. We had the concept of PlayStation Portable for many years before we could actually deliver it at a price and at a standard that was acceptable.
The controller is obviously a surprise to the industry. We've been thinking about it for a while, but it's a relatively recent addition to the format. We didn't show it last year, because we weren't ready to. The boomerang, as you call it, was very clearly designed as a design concept, and was never intended to be the final controller, despite what everybody said about it.
I think we certainly saw the strength of feeling that existed about the boomerang - even though nobody in the world ever held it in their hand. I thought that was very interesting, that people were criticising it for what it looked like, not how it felt.
When you made the decision to put the tilt functions into the pad, how heavily influenced was that by the great response Nintendo has had to the same kind of technology in the Wii controller?
I think that some of the research that we've done, clearly other companies have been doing as well - so there's nothing completely surprising about that. But I know that the strategy was to take what was already a winning formula - to have a controller as well regarded as it, and kind of the de facto industry standard that this PlayStation shape controller has become. If you include the ones that are packed in, the secondary ones and the knock-offs that are the same shape, there are probably around 400 million of these things that have been sold on PSone and PS2.
So, we kind of took an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" strategy - but by adding motion sensitivity to the controller... Well, we didn't start the wave, but we've kind of jumped onto that wave. I'm quite happy to admit that, but that will be one of the defining characteristics of next-generation gaming, the complexity and sophistication of input that you can get from a very simple device.
What I'm really keen to communicate is the fact that by sticking with the PlayStation controller, you have this very comfortable, two-handed approach that gamers are very familiar with - and it allows you to have two channels of input. You've got your primary input that may be normal buttons, normal sticks, nothing particularly revolutionary - no pun intended - but we can also add secondary motion, and we can detect the secondary movement of the pad in addition to the primary buttons.
When you play games, everybody does the same thing - they always move the controller around. Well, we can now start to add that secondary motion into the game design, and the way that the game reacts to the user.
Is this also an attempt on your part to give a bit of a kick in the teeth to cross-platform development? Now all three next-gen consoles will have different control systems, it's going to make it much harder to port the same games between them while taking advantage of those systems.
I think you're right, but I don't think that was actually the plan. I think that that is the outcome - you want to make the games and the experiences that you offer on your platform as unique and as defendable as you possibly can, and obviously that innovation is one of them.
That said, I think that with some exceptions, first party will probably be the majority of the exclusives on PlayStation 3. It's just the reality of the world that we live in - and it was very kind of Microsoft to announce one of those [multi-platform titles] for us.
Looking again at the software line-up, are you happy with where you are with development on the system at the moment?
Happy, but not satisfied. We can always do better, we can always have more - but I think we've shown enough breadth and we've shown enough quality, and we've shown a direction of where we're going to end up at launch. We're six months away from launch, remember, and there are some very polished games on our stand, which I don't think you've ever seen from another platform launch. That includes our own - PSone and PS2 - this far out from launch.
Aren't you concerned though that in November, your launch titles - which have traditionally been pretty rocky - are going to be going head to head with second and even third wave games on the Xbox 360?
Am I concerned... Well, I wouldn't say concerned, but I'm certainly conscious of that. I think that we will have games that are really compelling and are really going to deliver on the promise, but I don't think it'll be an issue.
On PlayStation 2, we didn't start to see really impressive stuff until a couple of years into the life of the console, because it took that long for developers to get up to speed. The guys at Microsoft make a lot of allusions to how easy their console is to develop to compared to yours; how do you respond to that? Is it true of PlayStation 3, as it was of PS2? Is there going to be a one or two year cycle where developers are still just getting to grips with this platform?
I think the PlayStation 2 was a difficult machine to write for, especially to really maximise what it was capable of on the vector units, VU0 and VU1, the proprietary SIMD engines, because they used fairly low-level programming techniques to program for them. However, that didn't stop us selling a hundred and something million, and having a billion plus software units sold for the machine, and global average of 77 per cent plus market share.
On PlayStation 3, however, the Cell SPUs are programmed with high-level programming languages, and that allows us to get great performance with general-purpose programming techniques. So, the short answer is, it's much, much easier to program for. Witness the fact that we've got so much software up and running, and playable, this far out from launch.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=16969
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
It was me. But I only paid the amount cuz I was given £280 for the console as a gift (I didnt know this and had saved up my own money). If I hadnt have bought the console, I wouldnt have recieved the money so it was either buy it or leave it. Only cost me £170 of my own money though.Flawl3ssCowb0y said:
I wont be paying over the RRP for the PS3 unless I magically get free money from somewhere. Whats funny is that a week after I spent £170 on my X360, I had just left my last job for a new one and they gave me exactly £170 extra by mistake. :lol:
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Adonis
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Re: PlayStation 3 - 20Gb : $499. 60 Gb: $599
Will do mate.
You wanna hear something crazy? I walked into Gamestation today and put down a £20 deposit on the PS3! Feel like a tool :p
When putting the cash down I asked the guy 'so how much do you think I would get for it on ebay?'
Im number 21 on the guarenteed list, so Ive got two consoles sorted pretty much - as soon as Game sort their pre-order stuff out that is!
ashmufc said:
Will do mate.
You wanna hear something crazy? I walked into Gamestation today and put down a £20 deposit on the PS3! Feel like a tool :p
When putting the cash down I asked the guy 'so how much do you think I would get for it on ebay?'
Im number 21 on the guarenteed list, so Ive got two consoles sorted pretty much - as soon as Game sort their pre-order stuff out that is!
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ThomasGOAL
Retired Footballer
- 15 March 2003
Interface video (pict, audio, video, web...)
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/14/playstation-3-ui-revealed-to-be-psp-like/
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/14/playstation-3-ui-revealed-to-be-psp-like/
Check this out, the differnce between the prototype and actual models: http://boardsus.playstation.com/pla...ssage.id=358886&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
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djdoc
Guest
In my local area the demand for PS3 so far has been rather dull and dead. I asked the guy behind the counter about pre-ordering a PS3 and what the state of play was and he said they had lots of pre-order slots available and that not many people had registered an interest compared to when the 360 was being pre-ordered...... I chuckled.
DJ
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djdoc
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GameStation they had a massive demand for 360's within a couple of weeks of the pre order system starting, they havent had as much of a demand in the same time-scale for PS3.... I wonder why?
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deftonesmx17
100% Werder!
Re: PlayStation 3 - 20Gb : $499. 60 Gb: $599
I did not say DVD's were not 480p. If you had basic reading comprehension you would have understood that I said DVD's gave a visual enhancenment over VHS on a SDTV, aka a 480i TV. This does not mean DVD's are only 480i like you assumed I was saying. Also, I was not talking about HDTV's. I am very right by saying a Blu-Ray movie will look no better than a DVD on a SDTV and all you did was prove my point. DVD's are already a higher resolution than a SDTV can display, just as Blu-ray will be a higher resolution than a SDTV can display. Meaning when played next to each other on a SDTV, Blu-Ray and DVD will look almost identical. :roll:
And my original point is about that fact that around 10% of all TV owners around the world have TV's capable of taking advantage of Blu-Ray and higher resolution media. Thats right, about 90% of the world is still using their SDTV(480i) or maybe an EDTV(480p).
Thus my point about Blu-Ray movies being worthless to the majority of the world is more than correct. If your TV does not display these higher resolution movies, which cost more than DVD's, why on earth would you buy them?
Obviuosly you don't know how to read. Here is my exact words.jumbo said:
deftonesm17 said:
I did not say DVD's were not 480p. If you had basic reading comprehension you would have understood that I said DVD's gave a visual enhancenment over VHS on a SDTV, aka a 480i TV. This does not mean DVD's are only 480i like you assumed I was saying. Also, I was not talking about HDTV's. I am very right by saying a Blu-Ray movie will look no better than a DVD on a SDTV and all you did was prove my point. DVD's are already a higher resolution than a SDTV can display, just as Blu-ray will be a higher resolution than a SDTV can display. Meaning when played next to each other on a SDTV, Blu-Ray and DVD will look almost identical. :roll:
And my original point is about that fact that around 10% of all TV owners around the world have TV's capable of taking advantage of Blu-Ray and higher resolution media. Thats right, about 90% of the world is still using their SDTV(480i) or maybe an EDTV(480p).
Thus my point about Blu-Ray movies being worthless to the majority of the world is more than correct. If your TV does not display these higher resolution movies, which cost more than DVD's, why on earth would you buy them?
Errr......you might want to add that IDE-ATA and SATA use two totally different connections.jumbo said:
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RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
Re: PlayStation 3 - 20Gb : $499. 60 Gb: $599
As Sony said, their console is ready for the future. Thats why.deftonesmx17 said:
Re: PlayStation 3 - 20Gb : $499. 60 Gb: $599
How many people were able to take full advantage of DVD when that came out?
New formats take time to adapt. Some people still can't take full advantage of the DVD format. I myself have a SDTV. I can't watch widescreen or 480p.
So what does that mean? That the technology is useless? No. It just means I'm 10 years behind the Asians.
Same with BluRay. BluRay + HDTV = HDTV ERA. DVD + HDTV = no, no, no.
deftonesmx17 said:
How many people were able to take full advantage of DVD when that came out?
New formats take time to adapt. Some people still can't take full advantage of the DVD format. I myself have a SDTV. I can't watch widescreen or 480p.
So what does that mean? That the technology is useless? No. It just means I'm 10 years behind the Asians.
Same with BluRay. BluRay + HDTV = HDTV ERA. DVD + HDTV = no, no, no.
djdoc360 said:
DJ I don't think this really proves anything as much as you want it.
In the US, suppousedly the Xbox territory, people in shops are talkin about nothing but PS3 pre-orders. I myself have been to 3 stores in my area. None are talkin pre-orders yet but all of them told me the same - everybody's askin and they are making calling lists to let people know when the pre-orderin starts.
The first 2,000,000 is going to sell out quick no matter what. No amount of xbox haters can prevent that. If SONY does indeed have 2 mil in stores by Nov 17 and everything sells in one day which is likely we are lookin at the most sucessful launch in history.
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Mate I dont want anything, a good healthy competition of consoles means we get better consoles and better games.jumbo said:
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deftonesmx17
100% Werder!
Re: PlayStation 3 - 20Gb : $499. 60 Gb: $599
Again, this is different. You are talking about taking full advantage when I am talking about any advantage, no matter how small it is. VHS was the dominant movie format before DVD's. Yet when DVD's were released, they still gave a very clear visual enhancement over VHS even on a SDTV. Like I keep saying, Blu-Ray will not do this. Blu-ray will not look better than a DVD on a SDTV. People bought DVD's to replace their VHS collection because DVD gave them a much better picture on their SDTV. People will not buy Blu-Ray movies because they give a much better picture than DVD's on their SDTV because they will look no better on a SDTV. Only people with TV's that display 720p, 1080i, or 1080p etc. will gain any picture quality advantage over DVD's.jumbo said:
Actually, yes it does mean it is useless for you and everybody else who is still using a TV that can only display 480p and lower.
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ThomasGOAL
Retired Footballer
- 15 March 2003
Link Jumbo please
Re: PlayStation 3 - 20Gb : $499. 60 Gb: $599
I've tested this on my SDTV. Watched a movie on DVD, and I have the same movie in HD on my PC and connected it to my TV via S-Video and the difference can be seen. Maybe not worth spending the £7-10 extra buying the Blu Ray version to watch a film than DVD, but then people will be thinking they should buy the BR version instead of DVD becaue of futureproofing because they know that in 6 years DVD will be ooutphased slowly, and so they don't want to buy the same vesion again.
You are wrong! People will see a benefit from BluRay on a SDTV compared to DVD, though its not much difference, there is still one because BluRay/HDDVD will use higher bitrates.deftonesmx17 said:
I've tested this on my SDTV. Watched a movie on DVD, and I have the same movie in HD on my PC and connected it to my TV via S-Video and the difference can be seen. Maybe not worth spending the £7-10 extra buying the Blu Ray version to watch a film than DVD, but then people will be thinking they should buy the BR version instead of DVD becaue of futureproofing because they know that in 6 years DVD will be ooutphased slowly, and so they don't want to buy the same vesion again.
deftonesmx17
100% Werder!
Re: PlayStation 3 - 20Gb : $499. 60 Gb: $599
For movies(as that is all I am talking about), more storage is needed because higher quality video requires more storage.jumbo said:
Interesting, since I came to my conclusion of it not looking any better by doing the same only I used component connections and forced my HDTV to 480i :roll:ashmufc said:
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jumbo said:
Very true.
360 still should of had HD-DVD built in the console
deftonesmx17
100% Werder!
What is with the assumtions? Why does every person who doesnt like what I say about the PS3(or anything concerning it) automatically assume I have an xbox360 or I'm an xbox fanboy? :roll:jumbo said:
I don't have an Xbox360 and don't care to ever own one.
My original xbox collects more dust than my attic.
My Gamecube is also know as the dustcube.
I've gone through three PS2's, but I refuse to buy a fourth one.
I own a PSP and take it with me everywhere.
And before the assumptions that I prefer HD-DVD appear in your posts, Blu-ray is better than HD-DVD...................
EDIT: I just realized that I can't make claim to have consoles that no longer work so in that case, I have a PSP as its the only one that works anymore.
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djdoc360 said:
I think its your area mate.
I can tell you around here (Manchester) interest in PS3 is much greater than it ever was for the 360. Even with the extremely high price tag. We've not even started pre-ordering, and we have over 100 people on our call back list.
The 360 mainly picked up around a month before launch, but obviously we had already finished our pre-orders in late October.
I guarentee we'll finish the PS3 pre-order around August.
Theres just too many loyal Sony fans for this machine not to be more popular than the 360.
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Super Quinninho
Sunderland A.F.C
I still cant beleibe the price, how can they expect a normal person who's on £12,000 a year to afford almost half a months wage for their console?
This doesnt apply to me because if i really wanted it, id buy it but £400+ really is a kick in the teeth for the casual gamer imo
You could almost buy both the 360 and Wii for the same price, which is a no brainer imo
This doesnt apply to me because if i really wanted it, id buy it but £400+ really is a kick in the teeth for the casual gamer imo
You could almost buy both the 360 and Wii for the same price, which is a no brainer imo