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ThomasGOAL said:
Motorstorm gameplay video !!!

http://www.playsyde.com/news_2987_fr.html


Motorstorm Playable! Ten Minutes With Motorstorm and Evolution Studio's Simon Benson
http://psinext.e-mpire.com/index.ph...41&PHPSESSID=5a7f3b447cb1b3b15b65def0496081c7
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Sure looks pretty but there´s too much sparks coming off the cars all the time and for physics they look like the ones on flatout on ps2, nothing special in that sense. Fun game for sure.
 
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Cheers for posting the Motorstorm vid Thomas. In my opinion it doesn't look very special. However I prefer what I have seen over the trailer last year. Atleast it now looks like a videogame rather than a stupid Hollywood esq trailer.
 
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That trailer was immense! I was goin crazy about the PS3 back - I guess most were.....

Every corporate company goes back on their word....the thing is, if you're gonna do it, make sure your product ain't gonna be delayed so people will buy it during its high time of hype.

The game looks ok - runs smoothly and all that, but it is definitely nothing special. If you look at the wheels, the car doesn't even look to be part of the scene. Looks rather artificial...:(. Also, look at the texture of the cliffs - it just looks like another PS2 game(!). You gotta feel for that guy hyping it up....he knows what everyone is thinking but is having to big it up anyway(!)

A few sites mentioned that this year round, rather unexpectedly, the Sony officials are having to defend their tactics with the PS3 rather than drowning in its praise. It's funny as Sony were parading the fact that they will have dual HDMI and now Kaz Hirai comes up with a quote like this on Engadget:

Engadget said:
Hirai also defended the lack of HDMI on the 20GB PS3, commenting that "there's not a discernible difference between what you get between HDMI and other forms of high definition." While that might be the case with current Blu-ray flicks, all movie studios (including Sony Pictures) have reserved the right to implement the Image Constraint Token in future discs, which could force anyone using analog outputs -- including owners of the 20GB PS3 -- to watch downgraded video. We assume Hirai's familiar with the issue, so we have to wonder whether his claim that the PS3 is "future-proofed" is just a little bit disingenuous. All it would take is one Blu-ray disc with ICT for owners of 20GB PS3s to realize they've been locked out of the future.
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What are Sony playing at? What else is the point in wanting to upgrade to Blu-Ray. Really, like the XBox Core, was there any reason for releasing these severly downgraded systems? Because M$ had built so many Cores, many of those who wanted to buy a Premium were forced to buy the Core instead due to none being in stock. What is £50 or so gonna make a difference if people don't know about it(!). If Sony were upfront and just said that their console is $600, maybe there won't be so much discontentment among the masses.

A lot of people will happily pay $500-600 knowing that their purchase is future proof. They don't seem to emit a lot of confidence these days - v different from the Sony in the PSX and PS2 days :(

/rant over
 
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Im surprised many of you arent impressed. Its a great gameplay video, Im sure you'll change your mind when you see it infront of you.
 
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Looks to be very small track on that video. ofcourse it´s just to show how it plays. Also there aint much stuff on the side of the track few trees mainly just mud. i think they could easilly make similar gameplay and map with flatout one for ps2 ofcourse it looks like the viewdistance is huge but can you go and drive there freely. Game reminds me of Insane! for PC years back anyone remember that game :), you could drive freely and race trough checkpoints dakar style. they should make new version of Insane.
 
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JayD said:
It's been reported that the vidoes going around are actually 360 videos.
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Yes i know and ?
when i post a multiplateform game on PS3 thread, you go for says "hey hey !! it's on 360 too !!" :lol:
Comon JayD, we know that
 
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It's just that you have posted a 360 video in the ps3 thread thats all, I thought maybe you never realized it was a 360 video. It's all good. Just a quick thing what is the user KAiWAi saying about teh next gen PES in the non english thread? You sounded excited, sadly my French is whack. :)
 
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Motorstorm doesn't look bad but where is all the mud spray? Godamnit Sony you fucked up big time hyping your console like that.
 
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Well, it was said for over a year by nvidia engineers that the RSX was nothing more than a custom Cell-connected Nvidia G71 GPU and I know for a fact the G71 isnt powerful enough to render the shit they showed at E3 last year.
 
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Motorstorm looks amazing.
You really gotta a hardcore SONT hater not to appreaciate it.
 
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Here's a little more info on PS3. Seriously there's no reason for all the hate.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30746
There are various interviews with SCE at E3, here's a brief summary of them.
"PS3 is a computer" (as a PC is an office computer), basically it's the message.

Ken Kutaragi interview @ ITmedia
http://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/games/art...9/news046.html
(Most parts are at http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706133p1.html)

* The playable devkits at the E3 floor are all connected to the network and new builds of games are sent there day by day via FTP even during the E3
* The PS3 price may be too cheap, it's like no other. (See the IGN article)
* 2 million units at launch. (See the IGN article)


Ken Kutaragi interview @ Nikkei Tech-on
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article...060510/116928/

* Contrary to the underestimation by people, there are over 10 playable titles at the show floor, unlike the days of PS1/2
* There's not necessarily a correlation between the higher software development cost and the higher hardware spec. The criticism that regards PS3 as a too fat, too powerful hardware sounds like the excuse by those who avoid the challenge to new technologies. Until E3 developers hadn't known what other developers had been doing, apparently there are those who are surprised to see the states of completion of PS3 games not only among users but also among developers. I expect it can remove the excuse.
* Many devkits are stacked in the data center at the E3 showfloor connected to the network. Developers can send data everyday via FTP like in arcard games development. Consumer games distribution will begin to focus on network more, for example using a BD as a key disc, game contents are updated via network, or you can carry over the data you played at an arcade to a PS3 at home. PS3 begins the evolution since the day one you purchased it along with the network, because there's no need to close it within a package. People will feel it in the very near future, sooner than March 2007.
* PS3 is a computer, just like a typical computer which downloads a program from CD-ROM to HDD then executes it from an HDD as a cache. If the HDD space is small for you, you can buy a bigger HDD. In the next year even a PS3 with 120GB HDD may be released. It's not another version of PS3, it's just another configuration. Because PS3 is a computer. We may be able to sell it in BTO (built-to-order) for each customer. With that assumption, the internal of PS3 is designed with modularity in mind unlike home appliances and game consoles. In the way of thinking with which a computer is designed, we adopted standard interfaces and selected various parts with extensibility in mind.
* Kutaragi feels potential in the "Eye of Judgement" game.
* We have as many Cell as we'd like to sell them, so no worry about the scarcity. We started the manufacturing of Cell in Summer 2005. The more Cell the more better since we want to put Cell servers across the network. What's really difficult to secure were general parts in good times, such as passive parts, memory, HDD, boards, plate, and all other parts for 1 million per month production.
* (Answering the question about what Sony President Chubachi is saying as "customer viewpoint" lately) I am hardly conscious of it, we've been always with the customer since we began PlayStation. PS is a part of daily life and SCE employees, families, and myself are all uses, in other words customers.


Izumi Kawanishi interview (SCEI corporate executive, software platform development division) @ ITmedia
http://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/games/art...1/news058.html

* The base system of the 20GB PS3 and the 60GB PS3 is the same, it's like PC motherboards with different interfaces but different peripherals. It's not that there are 2 models of PS3, they are variations.
* It's natural that specs are different due to price ranges, just like hi-end and lo-end PC.
* The PS3 spec is the same worldwide, but there'll be more variations in future.
* The current PS3 can't output different pictures through HDMI and AV-multi. There may be a PS3 with 2 HDMIs in future
* Games can be saved in HDD. The difference in 20GB/60GB PS3 such as HDMI, WiFi, memory cards slot, and HDD won't matter in playing games. If you feel the HDD is small you can buy a bigger one.
* Though we wanted to add a motion sensor before we couldn't decide what kind of it should be built in and sensor devices were not good enough back then.
* The new PS logo button is used to raise the system menu, to turn on/off PS3, and to make the system recognise the controller. It's powered by a battery charged with a USB cable from PS3 to controller. The controller can't be used for PS2.
* PS3 has a standard web browser and a media player and XMB. It can play download contents and send data to PSP as a server. For the 20GB HDD PS3, PSP is connected via USB.
* In the PS1 emulation in PSP, PS1 game code is not at all modified. Some games can be run on a general emulator and others will be shipped with a special emulator. They are booted from MemStick Duo. If users want PSP may support MemStick boot of user application in future.
* The power supply unit of PS3 is internal. The quietness is equal to the PS2.


Izumi Kawanishi interview (SCEI corporate executive, software platform development division) @ PC Watch, by Zenji Nishikawa
(Some parts are the same as the interview above, such parts are omitted)
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060511/ps3.htm

* Though the PS3 hardware spec itself supports 2 screens output, the SKUs don't support it currently because its merit for users is unknown for now. HDMI x2 may be possible in future variations of PS3.
* We know 1080p is not an easy task but as you see GT:HD it's not impossible. Just like PS2 which was said to have too little VRAM in the early days we are not much concerned about it now.
* As for rendering resolution we recommend 1080p and 720p. Though we have no strict guidelines we recommend 1080p, anyway. But it depends on what resolution is prevalent for TV when a game launches.
* As for the developer comment that they prioritize info density per pixel to pointless HD, it's OK that a game has a different priority, though SD is nor preferable.
* As for the GbE port, the first PS3 configurations in 2006 have only one but in future configurations they can add more ports if they are needed.
* Unlike PS2 and other game consoles with OS and drivers on a game disc with the assumption that the hardware spec doesn't change, PS3 allows the change of the hardware spec with demands of the times. The OS and drivers are installed in PS3 and it absorbs hardware differences, which resembles the current form of PC.
* Since PS3 has Linux installed Linux programming is allowed. License fees are not required for individual developers. Licensed PS3 game developers can get SDK and technical support by SCE, on the other hand in the Linux world they don't have to pay license fee but the support is minimum. In Linux, Cell is under the hardware layer of the OS supervisor, but things inlcuding SPE are expected to be open to developers. But we don't intend to mix the PS3 as a game platform and the PS3 in the Linux world.
* PS3 is always "PlayStation". But in the category of computer entertainment, it's not necessarily a game that's provided for PS3. In that case, it may compete with PC including Windows PC.
* (Answering the question why there are no non-game apps in the E3 show floor) Well, it's because this is E3 (laugh)


EDIT: One more:

Izumi Kawanishi interview (SCEI corporate executive, software platform development division) @ AV Watch
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...0511/rt003.htm

* DVD upconversion and progressive conversion will be implemented
* PS3 targets 4K x 2K video output too
* (Answering the question about Cell/RSX clockspeed that disappeared from the spec) We will announce the numbers later (But later Kawanishi referred to Cell as 3.2Ghz, so the interviewer speculates it's likely that the RSX spec has changed)

It has pics and movies of XMB in an actual PS3 unit which was shown behind the door.
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Summary:

- PS3 is a computer, standard interfaces, designed to be extensible. Mentions again that you can just buy a standard bigger HDD if you want. Sony will continue to offer new variations/configurations of PS3 in the future with bigger HDDs, more AV I/O etc.

- Apparently they have lots of Cells, they started production in Summer 05. It won't be problem when it comes to supply, more challenging is securing other parts like HDDs, memory etc.

- PS3 can't output two different images via HDMI and multi av-out, just the same image. Might change in the future if there is consumer demand.

- Wanted to add motion sensors to controllers before, but couldn't because they were not good enough.

- PS logo button is used to raise the system menu, to turn on/off PS3, and to make the system recognise the controller (sound familiar? :p). It's powered by a battery charged with a USB cable from PS3 to controller. The controller can't be used for PS2.

- PS3 power supply is internal, afterall. The machine is as quiet as a PS2 (I believe Sony said slim PS2 previously).

- Game resolutions are recommended to be 1080p or 720p, but no strict guidelines. SD is not preferred, however, obviously.

- PS3 has Linux installed and programming is allowed. License fees are not required for individual developers. Licensed PS3 game developers can get SDK and technical support by SCE, but Linux programmers while not having to pay a license fee, obviously won't get as much support. In Linux, Cell is under the hardware layer of the OS supervisor, but things including SPEs are expected to be open to developers. Didn't show off non-game apps at E3, because well, it's E3..

Thanks to E-mpire.
 
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Jumbo, the motion sensor technology they're using was implemented years ago in Sidewinder PC pads!

And if movie studios start encrypting their Blu-Ray discs, anyone with the lesser PS3 is f**ked. Since Sony are one of the major backers of Blu-Ray, I'd be surprised if they haven't struck some sort of deal with the studios to prevent this, or then again, they could use it to force those who bought the cheaper machine to need to buy another PS3 if they want to watch encrypted Blu-Ray.

It's all ifs and buts I guess, I'm only interested in the games and the fact that I don't need to buy a PS3 to experience next-gen Pro Evo and GTA is massive. The only PS3 game I want is MGS4, and that's scheduled for 2007, it could be Q4 2007 for all anybody knows.

So why buy a PS3 at launch?
 
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I completely agree with Classic... I only really want MGS4... since the other games I want/play are on the 360.
 
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I don't know really know. Let me be as ojbective as I can here and prepare a little list:

Why not to buy a PS3 at launch:

+ Price
+ Xbox 360 is cheaper and games comparable as far as quality
+ No launch games that appeal to an individual
+ Good games coming 2nd gen
+ GTA and PES will be on 360
+ No interest in BR movies
+ Boycott SONY because they copy everybody else (LOL)
+ Dual Shock sucks

Why to buy a PS3 a launch:

+ free online gaming out of the box
+ online network comparable to Live
+ Tekken, DMC
+ Linux programming

SONY is doomed :) :) :)
 
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* In the PS1 emulation in PSP, PS1 game code is not at all modified. Some games can be run on a general emulator and others will be shipped with a special emulator. They are booted from MemStick Duo. If users want PSP may support MemStick boot of user application in future.
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Like that will ever happen; Oh hold on, two firmwares did boot user apps just fine and isnt it already obvious that users want that :roll:
 
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jumbo said:
I don't know really know. Let me be as ojbective as I can here and prepare a little list:

Why not to buy a PS3 at launch:

+ Price
+ Xbox 360 is cheaper and games comparable as far as quality
+ No launch games that appeal to an individual
+ Good games coming 2nd gen
+ GTA and PES will be on 360
+ No interest in BR movies
+ Boycott SONY because they copy everybody else (LOL)
+ Dual Shock sucks

Why to buy a PS3 a launch:

+ free online gaming out of the box
+ online network comparable to Live
+ Tekken, DMC
+ Linux programming

SONY is doomed :) :) :)
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+ free online gaming out of the box
+ online network comparable to Live

There has been no confirmation at all in regards to Sonys online plans. And it will take a long time to get the infrastructure up to get comparabe to LIVE.
 
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Let me give an honest objective opinion here.

Yes, in short-term, for a casual gamer, the $600 price tag is not justified. The launch games may not be as spectacular as expected, the console is expensive, x360 is comparable from a technological standpoint and lot cheaper. As far as multiplatform games go, x360 will have everything that PS3 will, same quality - $200.

Only a stupid sony fanboy wouldn't admit that.

I, myself, am looking forward to WE 360, Gears of War, Fable 2, Halo 3 maybe, Forza 2 maybe,

But when I buy a new system, I also look at long-term benefits.

- BR IS the next step in the evolution of digital storage.
- The standard HDD IS an advantage as all games can make use of it, no need to code two versions of a game.
- The new controller WILL provide some opportunities for innovation IF the devs take time with it. The biggest difference between multiplatform games WILL come down to controls.
- Online gaming IS free. Audio and video chat. Internet browser.
- PS3 DOES offers enough functionality to become the center of your living room. It is not only a gaming machine but a multimedia center, and a pretty powerful at that.
- LINUX. PS3 will come with linux pre-installed and will provide programming tools to everyone. This is huge for the modding scene. Say hello to WE patches.
- And lastly the games. I agree the launch lineup may not be jaw-dropping but you can't deny that the best is yet to come: MGS4, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, SOCOM, Killzone, Unreal Tournament, Virtua Fighter, Tekken

- PSP connectivity. A whole new world of opportunities. Play PS3 games on PSP. Play one game on PSP and PS3 at the same time, etc. etc.




As far as the controller goes, yes, it's been done before. The thing is, what games really used it? Was that for PC? This time, the 6-degree motion detector is a standard feature of a major console. You can bet the devs will take advantage of it. The controlls will be the main differentiator between the x360 and ps3 games. While, nothing like Wii, it still provides nice functionality. Imagine this:

- tilt to control the camera, instead of using the analog stick
- it could be used as a light-gun. you can move the aim-dot by calcutating position changes
- control in racing games, flying sims, snowbording games, etc. pretty obvious.



Let me just say that I'll be the first one to buy a 360 once the 2nd gen hits. Money is not an issue. I'll buy it mainly for WE and all the other games listed above. I just don't think it's right to dismiss PS3 as shit just because it costs more. You have to look at both sides.
 
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JayD said:
+ free online gaming out of the box
+ online network comparable to Live

There has been no confirmation at all in regards to Sonys online plans. And it will take a long time to get the infrastructure up to get comparabe to LIVE.
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Sony announced online network from day one.
 
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jumbo said:
Sony announced online network from day one.
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Yes they did, but there has been nothing to confirm what it contains. Will the free service be just like the 360's free service? Meaning you can't play games but can do everything else.
Microsoft have been involved in networking for donkeys years and had the infrastructure already in place to setup LIVE. Sony don't and it will take a long time to get where LIVE is now and by that time Microsoft will move on, as has been shown with there clear plans for live at E3.

Don't get me wrong I'm not writing the PS3 off just commenting on those issues I've highlighted.
 
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Well, there's lots of movies floating around the net but the latest info was shown this week at E3.

I believe they showed a guy accessing the network features while playing F1 or some other game. It showed other users in the room or server, along with their pictures and stuff.

Everything is suppoused to be free including gaming, they only thing that we'll have to pay for is game content. Sony is suppoused to incorportae in-game ads and such to keep the network free of charge for users.

If I'm wrong, I'll ban myself from internet.
 
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jumbo said:
Well, there's lots of movies floating around the net but the latest info was shown this week at E3.

I believe they showed a guy accessing the network features while playing F1 or some other game. It showed other users in the room or server, along with their pictures and stuff.

Everything is suppoused to be free including gaming, they only thing that we'll have to pay for is game content. Sony is suppoused to incorportae in-game ads and such to keep the network free of charge for users.

If I'm wrong, I'll ban myself from internet.
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You may be correct but there is a huge difference between handling 20 users and handling 5 million users.
 
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Well, I'm pretty sure sony isn't building a network for 5 users. That could have been a game specific feature. ;)
 
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Well, I'm pretty sure sony isn't building a network for 5 users. That could have been a game specific feature. ;)
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Agreed
 
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- BR IS the next step in the evolution of digital storage.
Yes, but almost useless to the majority of people in the world. Last time I checked, the amount of people with HDTV's that are able to take advantage of this is less than 10%
- The standard HDD IS an advantage as all games can make use of it, no need to code two versions of a game.
yes this is a plus and an advantage over the X360
- The new controller WILL provide some opportunities for innovation IF the devs take time with it. The biggest difference between multiplatform games WILL come down to controls.
Thats subjective
- Online gaming IS free. Audio and video chat. Internet browser.
PS2 online was free also, but it wasnt that great and the PS2 was supposed to have IM's and Email and that never happend
- PS3 DOES offers enough functionality to become the center of your living room. It is not only a gaming machine but a multimedia center, and a pretty powerful at that.
The x360 is a powerful media box also
- LINUX. PS3 will come with linux pre-installed and will provide programming tools to everyone. This is huge for the modding scene. Say hello to WE patches.
Do you really think it will allow you to edit PS3 game code? If it does then that leaves a huge door open to piracy and I know for a fact $ony wont just turn a blind eye to piracy. Just think about the PSP. Firmware 2.01-2.6 had no ISOloaders or UMDlaunchers, meaning no piracy of their gamnes, yet firmware 2.7 blocks all know homebrew.
- And lastly the games. I agree the launch lineup may not be jaw-dropping but you can't deny that the best is yet to come: MGS4, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, SOCOM, Killzone, Unreal Tournament, Virtua Fighter, Tekken
MGS4 is the only one worth anything.......maybe. I dont know about you but FF has gone downhill, so has GT, Socom is fun but how long will that last, killzone on the PS2 was a POS, Unreal Tournament.....errr I still play the original as none of the later ones are any better, VF and Tekken.....yay more fighting games
- PSP connectivity. A whole new world of opportunities. Play PS3 games on PSP. Play one game on PSP and PS3 at the same time, etc. etc.
that would be nice but I doubt it
 
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Just three comments to deft's post:

BR will be useless to the majority just like the DVD was
( can you sense the sarcasm? :))

Linux will not allow to edit game code. It'll allow to write 3rd party code, programs, games and distribute. It will allow modders to get a handle of PS3 a lot faster.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: just like the controller issue, games = SUBJECTIVE. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they are not good or just because you think MGS4 is worth getting doesnt mean it is ;)




Everyone +Respect for making this a civil discussion.
 
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