Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Fair comment and point taken Rob. I have sounded like an arrogant prick but I wont lie down and take the insults as if I'm some 15 kid who doesnt know the game. I went about it the wrong way. Wind up merchants sometimes get the better of me when they state things I know isnt correct from a physics perspective. I know Fifa is an awesome game in its own right. Different concept though and I know I couldnt be happy with the lack of individualism that for me makes football, as well as the physics in alot of areas that I can feel is correct from all my years in the game. I'm not saying Fifa players dont know football, they just prefer a different concept to me, and thats cool.
Oh I know what you mean about twats who throw insults at you, saying you don't know anything - i've replied to them in the past on here (and other forums) and made myself seem like a bit of a dick, it's understandable how you can get annoyed with some people on forums with how stupid they can be! Every forum has them, just have to put up with them I suppose...
I completely agree about individuality, that's why no matter how good FIFA gets in terms of animations, physics and modes, it will never truly be able to call itself a true simulation while Gerrard and Kevin Kyle (a really crap former-Coventry player, now back in the Scotland squad!) have exactly the same positioning if you put them in an attacking midfield role. Likewise for anyone you put in their wrong position.
The positioning and off-the-ball runs of the players are just as important as their actual technique on the ball in terms of individuality - remember that special ability star thing, called "Lines" iirc, Solskjaer had it, he would hardly ever be caught offside and timed his runs really well, like he did in real life.
Target men would have the "Post player" star, they would be in the right position more often than not for a cross to come into the box and would hold up the ball well.
Michael Owen would have the "Scoring" and "1-on-1 Scoring" abilities, making him deadly in the box and feel like the instinctive finisher he was.
Gerrard would have "Playmaking", meaning teammates would move more off the ball when he had the ball, Beckham had "Passing" which made teammates have a better first touch when they recieved a pass from him (I think).
I could go on... all of those special abilities really helped make the players individual, and a team of the players with the best attributes wasn't always the best, if you got a team where the special abilities of the players complimented each other well, you could play great football...
I do love FIFA for what it's trying to do though, and as an online game I think manual controls give a fairer game and help you express yourself, in Clubs this wouldn't really take away individualism as you are yourself (in 10)!
If I had to choose between the two games (pretend the PES i'm mentioning is as good as PES5) on each of these modes and give a reason, i'd say:
Offline v CPU - PES, because every AI controlled player on FIFA plays the same way and crap players do superhuman things, shame the ML hasn't been very good but that could change this year.
Offline BAP/BAL - FIFA, manual controls again make you feel like you can express yourself and be the player, PES' BAL mode is far better though off the pitch.
Offline multiplayer with friends - tough decision, PES would edge it due to the more varied types of goals you can score and most of my mates not playing on manual.
Online 1v1 multiplayer against random people - Easily PES, I had some great games against people I didn't know in the past and FIFA against randoms makes me want to tear my hair out.
Online multiplayer with/against people I know - Mainly manual FIFA, but PES is still a fun alternative and co-op tournaments could be fantastic.
