BaYern
M-84
- 7 June 2003
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
any word about the demo yet?
any word about the demo yet?
PES2010 discussion thread
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liger05
Championship
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
watched the vid. Its better than the others I have seen. Enough to make me wanna get PES10. Not yet.
watched the vid. Its better than the others I have seen. Enough to make me wanna get PES10. Not yet.
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Thats exactly how I feel. It looks like they are running against a wall, running miles and moving inches.
Thats exactly how I feel. It looks like they are running against a wall, running miles and moving inches.
hardy94
Conference
- 17 August 2009
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
for me
and am talking about me
the last video was good or litte more
but i need a joy stick in my hands and a screen to knw rally how does it feel
watching soccer games is not makng any sense . may be men with joy sticks are not good enough .. may be they are caring about somethings i don't care about sand somany reasons could mae a soccer game video looks bad
but from what i've seen
i became more optimistic
but i need any confirmation about theability to change the net shape !
if it's in .. and with this gameplay i've seen in the last video . i wont need anything else
for me
and am talking about me
the last video was good or litte more
but i need a joy stick in my hands and a screen to knw rally how does it feel
watching soccer games is not makng any sense . may be men with joy sticks are not good enough .. may be they are caring about somethings i don't care about sand somany reasons could mae a soccer game video looks bad
but from what i've seen
i became more optimistic
but i need any confirmation about theability to change the net shape !
if it's in .. and with this gameplay i've seen in the last video . i wont need anything else
The_Knight
Champions League
- 13 December 2005
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Which makes me think FIFA does have foot planting. The running animation is a lot more "deliberate"... unlike in PES where the players' legs seems to move so fast in a high frequency, not relative to the distance they'd be covering if they were actually running at that superhuman speed...
Which makes me think FIFA does have foot planting. The running animation is a lot more "deliberate"... unlike in PES where the players' legs seems to move so fast in a high frequency, not relative to the distance they'd be covering if they were actually running at that superhuman speed...
zeemeister
foxy engine
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Let's think about that for a second. A footballer runs an average 100m in what 10 to 15s? And a video game tries to emulate a 45min match in 10mins the movement of the ball and players have to be faster than the real life movement if you want a proper match statistic in terms of distance covered by an indivdual and number of shots taken at goal.
So while I agree about the foot planting bit I do think that the running animation needs to be faster.
What would also be an excellent change IMO would be to move the sprint from R1 to R2 as it's more pressure sensitive and can give better speed variation. Btw I forgot to mention besides the last video, which I haven't watched yet I've noticed more speed variation in PES2010.
Let's think about that for a second. A footballer runs an average 100m in what 10 to 15s? And a video game tries to emulate a 45min match in 10mins the movement of the ball and players have to be faster than the real life movement if you want a proper match statistic in terms of distance covered by an indivdual and number of shots taken at goal.
So while I agree about the foot planting bit I do think that the running animation needs to be faster.
What would also be an excellent change IMO would be to move the sprint from R1 to R2 as it's more pressure sensitive and can give better speed variation. Btw I forgot to mention besides the last video, which I haven't watched yet I've noticed more speed variation in PES2010.
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I watched every pes video.And i watched ''60 fps pes videos''.Player's runnings are like fast forwarded.
I played pes 2009 now.1.4 patched.Game's pace is ok IMO.Maybe little fast.Problem with in 2009,some players too much faster than other players.Like CR07 or eto's.
Eveyone says pes 2010 slower than pes 2009.But i didn't see at videos.
Pes 2009 slower than Pes 2010 (at this videos).Maybe Videos mislead us.
And i think,Running animations will look better at slower pace.
I watched every pes video.And i watched ''60 fps pes videos''.Player's runnings are like fast forwarded.
I played pes 2009 now.1.4 patched.Game's pace is ok IMO.Maybe little fast.Problem with in 2009,some players too much faster than other players.Like CR07 or eto's.
Eveyone says pes 2010 slower than pes 2009.But i didn't see at videos.
Pes 2009 slower than Pes 2010 (at this videos).Maybe Videos mislead us.
And i think,Running animations will look better at slower pace.
The_Knight
Champions League
- 13 December 2005
hardy94
Conference
- 17 August 2009
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
acey
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did u watched this ?
YouTube - PES 2010 Gameplay - Press preview code
dn tell me after watching this tht pes 2009 is slower than pes 2010
acey
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did u watched this ?
YouTube - PES 2010 Gameplay - Press preview code
dn tell me after watching this tht pes 2009 is slower than pes 2010
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
To be honest, if I had to guess this is just that they are using the wrong (old) animation. It's like they are using the same animation for sprinting as in PES2009, or a similar one, but have made the running (in terms of how far they cover in distance) much slower.
And, as for FIFA having foot planting - wasn't that one of the things which was demoed in their new engine in FIFA 07 amongst other things?
The PES players in 2010 look like part of a comedy treadmill sketch
Well of course, there has to be the concession to reality somewhere. Something quite large has to give to condense a 90 minute match into 10/12 minutes, and run speed is probably one of them to an extent.. but that really shouldn't change how the animation looks. It might look like the players is on crack, but it should still make sense. If he's taking 0.7 meter strides and he does ten of them, he should be 7 meters on, not 5, which is sorta what it looks like on PES 10 at the moment.
To be honest, if I had to guess this is just that they are using the wrong (old) animation. It's like they are using the same animation for sprinting as in PES2009, or a similar one, but have made the running (in terms of how far they cover in distance) much slower.
And, as for FIFA having foot planting - wasn't that one of the things which was demoed in their new engine in FIFA 07 amongst other things?
The PES players in 2010 look like part of a comedy treadmill sketch
Well of course, there has to be the concession to reality somewhere. Something quite large has to give to condense a 90 minute match into 10/12 minutes, and run speed is probably one of them to an extent.. but that really shouldn't change how the animation looks. It might look like the players is on crack, but it should still make sense. If he's taking 0.7 meter strides and he does ten of them, he should be 7 meters on, not 5, which is sorta what it looks like on PES 10 at the moment.
The_Knight
Champions League
- 13 December 2005
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
True, FIFA07 introduced footplanting (there's a video I saw on gametrailers that I was never able to find)....
You see, EA started the whole next-gen overhaul years ago with a brand new system, whereas KONAMI is doing it late, and doing it fast (new mo-caped animation, same system)
True, FIFA07 introduced footplanting (there's a video I saw on gametrailers that I was never able to find)....
You see, EA started the whole next-gen overhaul years ago with a brand new system, whereas KONAMI is doing it late, and doing it fast (new mo-caped animation, same system)
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Realistically, Konami are still trying to bodge next-gen from a last-gen engine. It's a huge improvement this year, but you can still see the artifacts of this all over the place. No doubt though, if you were an old PES lover (ie, you think the old PES's are still better than the new FIFA's) I think this game will be your cream and cherry on top. Harder to tell for the rest of us.
I'm still unsure about Konami's amount of contextual moves. I loathe the 90 degree turn animation. They are far too frequent, and overdone. Can they not just turn without making it look like an actor from Eastenders (ludicrously melodramatic)?
Realistically, Konami are still trying to bodge next-gen from a last-gen engine. It's a huge improvement this year, but you can still see the artifacts of this all over the place. No doubt though, if you were an old PES lover (ie, you think the old PES's are still better than the new FIFA's) I think this game will be your cream and cherry on top. Harder to tell for the rest of us.
I'm still unsure about Konami's amount of contextual moves. I loathe the 90 degree turn animation. They are far too frequent, and overdone. Can they not just turn without making it look like an actor from Eastenders (ludicrously melodramatic)?
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The_Knight
Champions League
- 13 December 2005
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
As far as I'm concerned, PES's core gameplay and tactical complexity are still better than FIFAs. Animations are something cosmetic... nothing more. The game already looks brilliant. You can't have it all (unless you're playing NBA2K by 2k Sports)
As far as I'm concerned, PES's core gameplay and tactical complexity are still better than FIFAs. Animations are something cosmetic... nothing more. The game already looks brilliant. You can't have it all (unless you're playing NBA2K by 2k Sports)
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Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Animations are not just cosmetic. In places where it's different running animations it's fairly irrelevant, but where it's a vast variety of shot animations and clearances and blocks, the animations are just as much gameplay as they are visual.
Some of the new clearance animations in FIFA for instance, will fundamentally allow you to clear the ball in situations you would not previously have been able to clear the ball.
Don't really want to turn this into FIFAvPES - how do you personally feel about the contextual skills/feints and so on? I find them really... offputting personally.
Animations are not just cosmetic. In places where it's different running animations it's fairly irrelevant, but where it's a vast variety of shot animations and clearances and blocks, the animations are just as much gameplay as they are visual.
Some of the new clearance animations in FIFA for instance, will fundamentally allow you to clear the ball in situations you would not previously have been able to clear the ball.
Don't really want to turn this into FIFAvPES - how do you personally feel about the contextual skills/feints and so on? I find them really... offputting personally.
iancurtis1980
Non-League
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
So, any news on pes 2010 stadiums?
So, any news on pes 2010 stadiums?
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iancurtis1980
Non-League
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
WENB confirmed some stadiums about a week ago.
WENB confirmed some stadiums about a week ago.
zeemeister
foxy engine
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
This statement does my bloody head in.
I'm not a game dev or a programmer or anything like that but I know a game engine is not a car engine. But it seems people think that konami took a vw beetle engine stuck it in a ferrari body/chasis and expected a sports car, which is just ridiculous.
PES2008 was konamis new engine for the next generation console. It was incomplete, scrappy and generally unpolished.
PES 2009 came along and fixed up everything.
PES2010 will now take this next generation engine and refine it further adding 360 movement and animations which is why every new video is showing refined animations as it's very much a cosmetic feature.
Now I'm going to say something thats probably going to get me shot down faster than a deer at a hunting convention, but when I saw FIFA 09 the 1st time I was amazed. When I played it the it the 1st time I still felt the PS2 version of the game with the animations and movement. It was masked beautifully, it still lacks the individualism and unpredictability of PES.
By now you should be seeing red and thinking I'm talking absolute rubbish but hear me out. FIFA not being PES is a good thing and what FIFA does it does really well and if what we see from FIFA 10 is to be believed it will be doing it magnificently.
FIFA leaves alot to the player you get to choose what you want to do how and where you want to pass, shoot or dribble.
PES calculates what is going to happen based on what the player does and based upon the controlled players stats.
Niether is better or worse. It all comes down to what you prefer. I know guys like Chris prefer what FIFA does and guys like me prefer what PES does. Can we now leave this PES is an old engine crap?
This statement does my bloody head in.
I'm not a game dev or a programmer or anything like that but I know a game engine is not a car engine. But it seems people think that konami took a vw beetle engine stuck it in a ferrari body/chasis and expected a sports car, which is just ridiculous.
PES2008 was konamis new engine for the next generation console. It was incomplete, scrappy and generally unpolished.
PES 2009 came along and fixed up everything.
PES2010 will now take this next generation engine and refine it further adding 360 movement and animations which is why every new video is showing refined animations as it's very much a cosmetic feature.
Now I'm going to say something thats probably going to get me shot down faster than a deer at a hunting convention, but when I saw FIFA 09 the 1st time I was amazed. When I played it the it the 1st time I still felt the PS2 version of the game with the animations and movement. It was masked beautifully, it still lacks the individualism and unpredictability of PES.
By now you should be seeing red and thinking I'm talking absolute rubbish but hear me out. FIFA not being PES is a good thing and what FIFA does it does really well and if what we see from FIFA 10 is to be believed it will be doing it magnificently.
FIFA leaves alot to the player you get to choose what you want to do how and where you want to pass, shoot or dribble.
PES calculates what is going to happen based on what the player does and based upon the controlled players stats.
Niether is better or worse. It all comes down to what you prefer. I know guys like Chris prefer what FIFA does and guys like me prefer what PES does. Can we now leave this PES is an old engine crap?
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PES 2010 looks to me like polished PES 5 , thats it .
PES 2010 looks to me like polished PES 5 , thats it .
zeemeister
foxy engine
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Ok. I just wasted 10mins of my life posting then.
It's Pro Evolution Soccer what do you want to see?
Ok. I just wasted 10mins of my life posting then.
It's Pro Evolution Soccer what do you want to see?
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Yes u wasted, because no matter if your post iss true or not, this game needs big changes and thats it, game mechanics just feel old and absolete. Wheres battling for ball ? Body to body like in FIFA 09 ? where are battles for high balls ? Whats wrong with keepers ? What the f.. does mean that script paassing ? I dont see anything that could impress me in year 2010, everything I saw in PES 2010 so far was already in PES 5. Thats it.
Yes u wasted, because no matter if your post iss true or not, this game needs big changes and thats it, game mechanics just feel old and absolete. Wheres battling for ball ? Body to body like in FIFA 09 ? where are battles for high balls ? Whats wrong with keepers ? What the f.. does mean that script paassing ? I dont see anything that could impress me in year 2010, everything I saw in PES 2010 so far was already in PES 5. Thats it.
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we definitely need an european game developer to make a 3rd football game to compete with fifa and pes.
and this makes me wonder, europe is the home of football but why do we get football games from japan and america?????????????? why isn't there somebody from europe create good football game?
we definitely need an european game developer to make a 3rd football game to compete with fifa and pes.
and this makes me wonder, europe is the home of football but why do we get football games from japan and america?????????????? why isn't there somebody from europe create good football game?
Punzz
Purple Monkey Dishwasher
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I'm sure money might be an issue. Releasing a football game that could come close to the 2 franchises would be an extremely hard task for a first time company. Wouldn't mind seeing people try though
I'm sure money might be an issue. Releasing a football game that could come close to the 2 franchises would be an extremely hard task for a first time company. Wouldn't mind seeing people try though
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The problem is this. If you look at the other games new engine (FIFA 07), though the game itself was terrible, the engine was clearly going to allow huge advances.
With PES 2008 on the other hand, it's not like that. The engine, new or not, is incredibly similar to the previous engine. There is no huge jump in how it works, and that was what FIFA 07 had, and what is paying off today.
Did it?! Couldn't stand PES2009 personally. Massively preferred 6.
What makes it next gen? What is PES doing now which it wasn't doing in 5? Graphically, it's definitely better. Visually I see jumps. In gameplay terms, I see nothing really that impressive with this 'new' engine. The tactical stuff with the sliders and the cards is good, but, something I'm sure they could have done before.
What can this engine achieve which the old engines couldn't?
As for the 360.. Not convinced. They seem to be putting it in last minute which is something EA were certain they didn't want to do. So I slightly worry about the way it will be. Who knows. It remains to be seen. Hopefully they don't fall into the traps that EA must have seen.
Individuality is something which FIFA lacks, no-one denies that, but that is a soluble problem. The FIFA engine is built from scratch, and is NOTHING like the old FIFA engine. Nothing at all, and I'm a conisseur, having bought a lot of the old FIFA Ps2 engines (too young/naive to care that there was a far better game across the way at the time, and it took me til 5 and 6 to buy PES).
I just don't see the similarity really, between FIFA 06 on the PS2, and FIFA 09 on the 360. As for unpredictability? I find FIFA 09 at least as unpredictable as the old PES (don't know with the newer iterations 08/09, as I couldn't stand to play them honestly).
Individuality can be solved, and it will be when the community really get behind asking for it. Currently they seem set on perfecting the gameplay engine itself, and they have got a marvellous engine there working it. It's not perfect. The responsiveness was a large issue and there were some fairly large, though not particularly numerous problems which really hurt the gameplay in FIFA 09, but FIFA 09, for me, and for most people I believe, was the best football simulation ever made.. but it's certainly a long way off perfection.
This is true and has always been true with FIFA, though, certainly it wasn't what truly held it back in the previous generation.
Hopefully FIFA can work to solve that, though I don't want it to be as exaggerated as in PES. It should be a factor, not a law.
Not really, because it's still true. PES 2010 has NOT advanced much in the last 4 years. Frankly, we're all hoping that it's got back to the stage it was 3 years ago, and then added on from there. FIFA has a huge, huge amount. That doesn't mean FIFA is ahead necessarily - it had a lot further to go.
As for 'neither is better or worse', it's not really fair to say that. You could say that about any game, and to an extent it is always down to the eye of the beholder, but there are areas where you can look at it and say: FIFA has it better, PES has it better. At the end of the day people have to make the decision for themselves after playing it, but there are some objective statements you can make about certain things - for instance PES's faces, which are great this year.
The problem is this. If you look at the other games new engine (FIFA 07), though the game itself was terrible, the engine was clearly going to allow huge advances.
With PES 2008 on the other hand, it's not like that. The engine, new or not, is incredibly similar to the previous engine. There is no huge jump in how it works, and that was what FIFA 07 had, and what is paying off today.
Did it?! Couldn't stand PES2009 personally. Massively preferred 6.
What makes it next gen? What is PES doing now which it wasn't doing in 5? Graphically, it's definitely better. Visually I see jumps. In gameplay terms, I see nothing really that impressive with this 'new' engine. The tactical stuff with the sliders and the cards is good, but, something I'm sure they could have done before.
What can this engine achieve which the old engines couldn't?
As for the 360.. Not convinced. They seem to be putting it in last minute which is something EA were certain they didn't want to do. So I slightly worry about the way it will be. Who knows. It remains to be seen. Hopefully they don't fall into the traps that EA must have seen.
Individuality is something which FIFA lacks, no-one denies that, but that is a soluble problem. The FIFA engine is built from scratch, and is NOTHING like the old FIFA engine. Nothing at all, and I'm a conisseur, having bought a lot of the old FIFA Ps2 engines (too young/naive to care that there was a far better game across the way at the time, and it took me til 5 and 6 to buy PES).
I just don't see the similarity really, between FIFA 06 on the PS2, and FIFA 09 on the 360. As for unpredictability? I find FIFA 09 at least as unpredictable as the old PES (don't know with the newer iterations 08/09, as I couldn't stand to play them honestly).
Individuality can be solved, and it will be when the community really get behind asking for it. Currently they seem set on perfecting the gameplay engine itself, and they have got a marvellous engine there working it. It's not perfect. The responsiveness was a large issue and there were some fairly large, though not particularly numerous problems which really hurt the gameplay in FIFA 09, but FIFA 09, for me, and for most people I believe, was the best football simulation ever made.. but it's certainly a long way off perfection.
This is true and has always been true with FIFA, though, certainly it wasn't what truly held it back in the previous generation.
Hopefully FIFA can work to solve that, though I don't want it to be as exaggerated as in PES. It should be a factor, not a law.
Not really, because it's still true. PES 2010 has NOT advanced much in the last 4 years. Frankly, we're all hoping that it's got back to the stage it was 3 years ago, and then added on from there. FIFA has a huge, huge amount. That doesn't mean FIFA is ahead necessarily - it had a lot further to go.
As for 'neither is better or worse', it's not really fair to say that. You could say that about any game, and to an extent it is always down to the eye of the beholder, but there are areas where you can look at it and say: FIFA has it better, PES has it better. At the end of the day people have to make the decision for themselves after playing it, but there are some objective statements you can make about certain things - for instance PES's faces, which are great this year.
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For instance, footplanting is fundamental to how a player moves on the pitch and EA hasn't quite gotten it perfect yet but the existence of such a system translates into less sliding of the player's feet as he performs a contextual animation, be it a rainbow trick, a screamer from outside the box or even the simplest of turns, the best example being off-the-ball situations where a player would have to keep turning about to face an incoming dribbler. In this particular case, the current implementation in PES has players rotating on the spot like a dial; sure it makes for a smooth turn but in real-life movements are supposed to be clunkier than that.
In Fifa, Dynamic Footplant has been paired up with an Inverse Kinematics system which ensures that in any given animation, the feet always finds itself connected to the ball for a proper collision. Whether its knocking the ball with a few small steps of dribbling animation or running up to a rolling ball and giving it a whack, IK shifts the feet into position to the ball whilst ensuring that this movement remains within the limits of the player's skeletal structure (because you don't want the leg to bend or stretch unrealistically). Essentially what this means is the ball is absolutely untethered. You can have millions of animations but they need a system to make it work with the free ball, not the other way around.
These features lay the groundwork for all mocapped animations so they work well contextually. The only thing missing imho is a good transition system between animations, something both football games are sorely lacking, moreso in PES. In Fifa, the game engine determines which feet is free during a dribble for a subsequent action (pass or shot). The game tries hard not to cheat for the sake of responsiveness but as you can guess, its a bit of a double-edged sword as well because you want to be able to perform something at the tap of a button (Guess which game empowers you that particular ability
The system in which PES was based on doesn't care for smooth transitions i.e. it will shuffle a players legs into position if it needs to something immediately at command (like shooting with a stronger foot). In a perfect world, where cpu resources are not as limited as they already are, Euphoria would easily solve this particular problem ("a dynamic physics engine that calculates physical interactions (specifically tackles) on the fly, rather than depending on canned animation")
Some people loathe at the fact that EA place too much emphasis on presentation when truth of the matter is for the last three years they've taken what they were very good at and finally put it into practical use. An extensive library of mocapped animations is only as good as the underlying system that keeps it grounded (pardon the pun) in reality.
For instance, footplanting is fundamental to how a player moves on the pitch and EA hasn't quite gotten it perfect yet but the existence of such a system translates into less sliding of the player's feet as he performs a contextual animation, be it a rainbow trick, a screamer from outside the box or even the simplest of turns, the best example being off-the-ball situations where a player would have to keep turning about to face an incoming dribbler. In this particular case, the current implementation in PES has players rotating on the spot like a dial; sure it makes for a smooth turn but in real-life movements are supposed to be clunkier than that.
In Fifa, Dynamic Footplant has been paired up with an Inverse Kinematics system which ensures that in any given animation, the feet always finds itself connected to the ball for a proper collision. Whether its knocking the ball with a few small steps of dribbling animation or running up to a rolling ball and giving it a whack, IK shifts the feet into position to the ball whilst ensuring that this movement remains within the limits of the player's skeletal structure (because you don't want the leg to bend or stretch unrealistically). Essentially what this means is the ball is absolutely untethered. You can have millions of animations but they need a system to make it work with the free ball, not the other way around.
These features lay the groundwork for all mocapped animations so they work well contextually. The only thing missing imho is a good transition system between animations, something both football games are sorely lacking, moreso in PES. In Fifa, the game engine determines which feet is free during a dribble for a subsequent action (pass or shot). The game tries hard not to cheat for the sake of responsiveness but as you can guess, its a bit of a double-edged sword as well because you want to be able to perform something at the tap of a button (Guess which game empowers you that particular ability
The system in which PES was based on doesn't care for smooth transitions i.e. it will shuffle a players legs into position if it needs to something immediately at command (like shooting with a stronger foot). In a perfect world, where cpu resources are not as limited as they already are, Euphoria would easily solve this particular problem ("a dynamic physics engine that calculates physical interactions (specifically tackles) on the fly, rather than depending on canned animation")
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Lons
AMIGA 1200 HARDCORE FAN!
- 15 December 2007
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
There are good movements in new video.They should make it better but it's not bad.Graphics looks fantastic.Game is slower.What do You want?Ok Fifa animations are superb but this not one reason to judge the game.Do you see difference between the latest video and from gamescom?or if you don't want to see?
There are good movements in new video.They should make it better but it's not bad.Graphics looks fantastic.Game is slower.What do You want?Ok Fifa animations are superb but this not one reason to judge the game.Do you see difference between the latest video and from gamescom?or if you don't want to see?
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in pes the ball sometimes absolutley lies free.- never seen this in fifa.
you mean the battle for a coming ball in fifa.
in pes the ball sometimes absolutley lies free.- never seen this in fifa.
Ryuga-san
League 1
- 14 January 2009
- AS Monaco
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Most of the famous videogames companies are from Japan and USA, both have an historical dominance in this sector, which european company would be able to compete with Konami and EA ?
It would be a bit risky, there are the licensing questions (it requires money, and what about legal obstacles ?), and maybe they don't think they could make something greater than Fifa and Pes (Which innovations could this new competitor bring with its game? How to survive if EA and Konami steal their main ideas?)...
Most of the famous videogames companies are from Japan and USA, both have an historical dominance in this sector, which european company would be able to compete with Konami and EA ?
It would be a bit risky, there are the licensing questions (it requires money, and what about legal obstacles ?), and maybe they don't think they could make something greater than Fifa and Pes (Which innovations could this new competitor bring with its game? How to survive if EA and Konami steal their main ideas?)...
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I think should be more stadiums in PES 10. That's fucking horrible in PES 09 is only 8 stadiums. Do U understand it? 8 stadiums in "the best footbal game of the year" tsss
I don't wanna start talking about quality of this stadiums because it's a pitful topic.
What was in pes09? During game the bleachers was 2D..no..1D.. quality of these chairs was TERRIBLE! Only during replay everything looks great, crowd's quality and bleachers are in 3D.
It's a small thing but I need to consider something on it.
Why Konami DID IT? Because KONAMI to entertain to PC Players.. Hardware requirement must to be LOW.
The graphic in this game is not important thing because a gameplay making 70% of good game but I think in this coming next PES version if mean about GRAPHIC all should be all set.
Sorry for mistakes but I am a roached ;p
I think should be more stadiums in PES 10. That's fucking horrible in PES 09 is only 8 stadiums. Do U understand it? 8 stadiums in "the best footbal game of the year" tsss
I don't wanna start talking about quality of this stadiums because it's a pitful topic.What was in pes09? During game the bleachers was 2D..no..1D.. quality of these chairs was TERRIBLE! Only during replay everything looks great, crowd's quality and bleachers are in 3D.
It's a small thing but I need to consider something on it.
Why Konami DID IT? Because KONAMI to entertain to PC Players.. Hardware requirement must to be LOW.
The graphic in this game is not important thing because a gameplay making 70% of good game but I think in this coming next PES version if mean about GRAPHIC all should be all set.
Sorry for mistakes but I am a roached ;p
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