PES 2019 Discussion Thread (PS4, XB1)

[Marlon Anthony]

My main issue with this game is that you can't fucking defend.

My man. I've argued this with people until i've turned blue in the face and just get dismissed as "you just suck at the game" But defending is borked on this. Controlling a defender usually results in you fighting against the games controls as he either barley moves across to block a shot, or frantacially spins in circles when an attacker runs at him.

Secondary pressure is suicide in this game as it never sends the appropriate teammate to pressure while the controlled player covers, and i've noticed more often than not, it just generally pulls one of your centre halves out of the back line to close down someone in the centre of the pitch or someone on the flank when you just want to "wake up" your fullback to cover the wings.

 

[rockstrongo]

My man. I've argued this with people until i've turned blue in the face and just get dismissed as "you just suck at the game" But defending is borked on this. Controlling a defender usually results in you fighting against the games controls as he either barley moves across to block a shot, or frantacially spins in circles when an attacker runs at him.

Secondary pressure is suicide in this game as it never sends the appropriate teammate to pressure while the controlled player covers, and i've noticed more often than not, it just generally pulls one of your centre halves out of the back line to close down someone in the centre of the pitch or someone on the flank when you just want to "wake up" your fullback to cover the wings.

I got your back on this one mate.
It's really tough defending due to what you mention,spot on there.
When dropping to Professional difficulty,or playing PA1,regardless of difficulty,they suddenly wake up.
Much more "snappy"
I have,since I got this game,not being able to find the right balance to enjoy it.
Doesn't matter if it's Professional/TP/SS or if your playing PA0-1 or 0/-1 gamespeed.
You always have to sacrifice something,to easy/to hard/sleepy defenders/sluggish movement.
Or trying to switch to your left/right defender on the wing to close down their winger,they take a step tw your box instead,which means you have to be in controll of the wing play before they get it there

Despite Pes 17/18s issues,that was never a problem.
Weird game this,shines on the ball etc,but crazy in other areas

 

[Emroth]

Just one thing on the defending.
Secondary pressure is done by next switch indicator player, so its not like the game picks a player and make a hole in your defense just to piss you off. If you see that your next selected player is your CB, then dont use secondary pressure. Switch to your CB and most likely you'll be able to use secondary pressure with you DM then.

Responsiveness and passive behaviours - fair enough. We have to do most of the job ourselves. But secondary pressure is not broken.

 

[rockstrongo]

Just one thing on the defending.
Secondary pressure is done by next switch indicator player, so its not like the game picks a player and make a hole in your defense just to piss you off. If you see that your next selected player is your CB than dont use secondary pressure. Switch to your CB and most likely you'll be able to use secondary pressure with you DM then.

Responsiveness and passive behaviours - fair enough. We have to do most of the job ourselves. But secondary pressure is not broken.

You use that "next icon" thing right?
The one where there's two icons one active and one passive?
I've never tried it on 19,played with it on 18,and it works ok,but when CPU passes around you it's tough to switch.
Down to practice I guess.
Generally defense needs to be more responsive,just like offense when placing a pass between two players and no one gets to it

 

[Emroth]

You use that "next icon" thing right?
The one where there's two icons one active and one passive?
I've never tried it on 19,played with it on 18,and it works ok,but when CPU passes around you it's tough to switch.
Down to practice I guess.
Generally defense needs to be more responsive,just like offense when placing a pass between two players and no one gets to it

Is that "next icon" not on by default?
I dont remember switching it on.
But yeah, the "next icon" fella is the one who will apply secondary pressure if you use it.
So its up to us to use it wisely.

There is one option, I mentioned it before, that sends a "beam" across the pitch when you switch manually with right trigger. I dont know whats the name of this option but its very useful in order to improve poor player selection. Helps a lot in defending.

I agree with you on other points. Passing between two players or trying to respond quickly to AI attacks can be frustrating at times..

 

[rockstrongo]

Is that "next icon" not on by default?
I dont remember switching it on.
But yeah, the "next icon" fella is the one who will apply secondary pressure if you use it.
So its up to us to use it wisely.

There is one option, I mentioned it before, that sends a "beam" across the pitch when you switch manually with right trigger. I dont know whats the name of this option but its very useful in order to improve poor player selection. Helps a lot in defending.

I agree with you on other points. Passing between two players or trying to respond quickly to AI attacks can be frustrating at times..

It's probably a default setting,I must have switched it off and gone original (pre Pes 18 )
I used on 18 like I said but player switching pre patch were horrible,so guess I'm just playing with one icon,same on fifa,saw that they nicked that function for this year

 

[fregen]

got to say it's a lot harder to find an online divisions game recently. it's still fun but i'm playing the same people a lot and they've sussed my tactics i managed to reach division 5 but have sunk back down to division 8 since the last patch and i find it a lot harder to win. most people i play against have figured out their exploit way of playing it seems

You still up against PA1 and above- guys with your manual passing? You masochist you.

 

[Lami]

Just scored this a while ago. I wish the keepers always reacted as naturally as this.

 

[Jimi_Zuko]

Just scored this a while ago. I wish the keepers always reacted as naturally as this.

hey lami, has the AI individuality improved since last patch

 

[Lobbedball]

I always found that on Superstar, the game is just aggressive pressure and attack from the AI mode.

Almost every time you lose possession, no matter where you are on the pitch, the result is the opposition get an automatic counter attack with a guaranteed attempt on goal, every time. It's not fun and the DMF's are about as useful as a glass hammer on this game. They NEVER any where to be seen when the AI commences an attack.

My thoughts exactly,that s why im on pa0 and professional difficulty

 

[Lobbedball]

I got your back on this one mate.
It's really tough defending due to what you mention,spot on there.
When dropping to Professional difficulty,or playing PA1,regardless of difficulty,they suddenly wake up.
Much more "snappy"
I have,since I got this game,not being able to find the right balance to enjoy it.
Doesn't matter if it's Professional/TP/SS or if your playing PA0-1 or 0/-1 gamespeed.
You always have to sacrifice something,to easy/to hard/sleepy defenders/sluggish movement.
Or trying to switch to your left/right defender on the wing to close down their winger,they take a step tw your box instead,which means you have to be in controll of the wing play before they get it there

Despite Pes 17/18s issues,that was never a problem.
Weird game this,shines on the ball etc,but crazy in other areas

Yes, a weird game indeed, shines and probably the best game ever on the ball, but when u need to defend there lies problems with unresponsivness and players not into position to cover etc

 

[Lami]

hey lami, has the AI individuality improved since last patch

I haven't played the game since launch because I don't have it. So I honestly can't remember how it was. I'm playing it really slow, passing around more, not much running like I used to. I'm only playing the Scottish league currently too. I can say sometimes I'm enjoying it, but other times when I'm fighting scripting it's stupid. I also wish the CPU wouldn't look to one pass the ball to the striker almost always. I'm doing my best to close passing lanes to prevent that. I've also noticed using just the press button without sprinting most of the time and just using the stick to move around yields better results in intercepting the ball and stopping players.

I'm ok with it so far. I am intending to finish the Scottish league. I'm playing every team fixture every week too to mix it up, so that's 6 games a round I'm playing. I'm trying to finish one round a day. Will be interesting to see how the final standings look like at the end of the season.

 

[Elanimator]

Sometimes u just wanna break the joystick for these stuff, why the heck does he stop his run and ruin a chance....

I think these are one of those "stupid things" that PES programmers implemented to make the game more balanced or more difficult on certain times. Just like the "catch-up bug/mechanics". It's not a bug but a design choice. An easy/non-creative mechanics to make the game more balanced.

When game developers are lazy, it's more convenient for them to implement "stupid things" like these than to be creative or think of better mechanics to make the game more balanced.
Whenever I encounter PES issues while playing, I always think of the Devs being lazy. Especially, when the issues are from years ago.
I think they are also lazy to fix some bugs because it might require overhauling the game code which takes a lot more effort. They don't like exerting efforts. But who does, if they can get away with it?

Although new legends(LOL), licensed teams and stadiums are CUTE additions, It always makes me think of the Devs being lazy. It's much easier to add legends and licensed leagues/stadiums in the game because they don't need much creativity to add those. Copying likenesses isn't being creative. It needs effort but not much creativity.

Improving gamemodes/gameplay mechanics does take a lot more effort and creativity. That's why we haven't seen a lot of amazing improvements in terms of gamemodes/gameplay this last few years.

Anyways, what do I know? I don't know how hard it is to be a game dev but I'm wondering why bugs from years ago are still there and some game mechanics are just bad.

 

[Paynekiller]

hey lami, has the AI individuality improved since last patch

The Ai is still hit and miss when it comes to player ID. The last patch certainly improved build up play by the Ai but players like Messi, Ronaldo or Neymar rarely stand out on the pitch with regards to being creative to cause problems for defenders.

Hope you don't me giving you my opinion.

 

[Lobbedball]

The Ai is still hit and miss when it comes to player ID. The last patch certainly improved build up play by the Ai but players like Messi, Ronaldo or Neymar rarely stand out on the pitch with regards to being creative to cause problems for defenders.

Hope you don't me giving you my opinion.

I have a big problem when playing or dribbling with messi, he feels like any other player on the pitch....this is so wrong, u just don t feel any explosive power, any kind of control mastery on the ball, u just feel he s just another left footed winger....a real shame that i rarely use messi in the game for runs or scoring,he s just another player on the pitch, in previous pes u could feel the difference with messi when he has the ball...

 

[Emroth]

The Ai is still hit and miss when it comes to player ID. The last patch certainly improved build up play by the Ai but players like Messi, Ronaldo or Neymar rarely stand out on the pitch with regards to being creative to cause problems for defenders.

Hope you don't me giving you my opinion.

It is hit and miss unfortunately. There are some truly beautiful moments but they dont seems to be dependent on the rank of the players.

Had another few matches last night.
In one match I was playing against Chelsea. As a team they were great, but Hazard was non-existent. Morata was doing a bit but again - should be way more flashy.

On a flip side later I brought 16 year old youth player on the pitch and when I pressed to pass the ball into the box, he passed it in between defender legs with marseille turn. It looked absolutely brilliant and I only noticed it on the replay.

I dont get this. Im not a developer but It seems like an easy fix to me. They have player skills and traits (interceptions, acrobatic finishing, dipping shots, rising shots, skills)... why they dont just increase the usage percentage of them for the players that have them??

 

[Marlon Anthony]

Just one thing on the defending.
Secondary pressure is done by next switch indicator player, so its not like the game picks a player and make a hole in your defense just to piss you off. If you see that your next selected player is your CB, then dont use secondary pressure. Switch to your CB and most likely you'll be able to use secondary pressure with you DM then.

Responsiveness and passive behaviours - fair enough. We have to do most of the job ourselves. But secondary pressure is not broken.

Well the problem with secondary pressure is that should be the team mate closest to the ball carrier and not some random player being instructed to close him down. So sometimes i'm using the player i'm controlling to cover the zone i'm expecting ball to be played into or to try and keep my teams shape and i want the AI to pressure him. So in that effect even the next selected player isn't always appropriate.

I'm old school, i don't use next selected player icons anyway, in fact i have no HUD apart from the scoreboard and the players names above their heads.

 

[Emroth]

I'm old school, i don't use next selected player icons anyway, in fact i have no HUD apart from the scoreboard and the players names above their heads

I get it. I have everything off myself apart of scoreboard, but its handy to have "next player indicator" on, even if you dont use it, for the sole purpose of secondary pressure. Im usually switching players manually, but with this icon on at least i know when its appropriate to use it. It does help a lot.
Usually when you switch to player who is further from the ball, your Next Player icon will change to the fella closest to the ball.
But if you dont have it on, you won't know for sure.

 

[rockstrongo]

I get it. I have everything off myself apart of scoreboard, but its handy to have "next player indicator" on, even if you dont use it, for the sole purpose of secondary pressure. Im usually switching players manually, but with this icon on at least i know when its appropriate to use it. It does help a lot.
Usually when you switch to player who is further from the ball, your Next Player icon will change to the fella closest to the ball.
But if you dont have it on, you won't know for sure.

You crazy kids with your hip hop,pants halfway down to your knees and next player icon!

 

[rockstrongo]

Yes, a weird game indeed, shines and probably the best game ever on the ball, but when u need to defend there lies problems with unresponsivness and players not into position to cover etc

True my friend,I feel that it's a bit more responsive on professional than on TP/SS

 

[Ameppe]

Rangers and Celtic stadiums coming in February. So late!

 

[Schwarzenbeck]

So going all "you're an absolutist" doesn't really cut it right?

I didn't say "you're an absolutist", I said your statement could be interpreted as being "a bit absolutist". There is a difference but if I am completely honest, I did indeed find your first comment – though it was only indirectly pointing at what I said earlier – to be slightly condescending.

But since I am certain now that this wasn't on purpose, no harm done. Let's just enjoy (and complain about) the game whichever level of assistance we play at. That was my whole point.

 

[rockstrongo]

So February for Ibrox then.
Guess Celtic park (or whatever it's called) will be out in time for Pes 2020?

 

[Emroth]

You crazy kids with your hip hop,pants halfway down to your knees and next player icon!

Rangers and Celtic stadiums coming in February. So late!

One way to make sure people won't pre-order next year...
So embarrasing...

 

[Chuny]

Fucking finally!

 

[rockstrongo]

I didn't say "you're an absolutist", I said your statement could be interpreted as being "a bit absolutist". There is a difference but if I am completely honest, I did indeed find your first comment – though it was only indirectly pointing at what I said earlier – to be slightly condescending.

But since I am certain now that this wasn't on purpose, no harm done. Let's just enjoy (and complain about) the game whichever level of assistance we play at. That was my whole point.

Got it
Wasn't my intention,even though it's a good investment learning it.
Really makes the game play differently.

 

[rockstrongo]

One way to make sure people won't pre-order next year...
So embarrasing...

Especially since they banged on the drum regarding those stadiums,and also being partners with them

 

[NIK778899]

Rangers and Celtic stadiums coming in February. So late!

Fucking February

 

[Chuny]

So February for Ibrox then.
Guess Celtic park (or whatever it's called) will be out in time for Pes 2020?

Why'd you think that? You don't use all the bait for one fish?

You crazy kids with your hip hop,pants halfway down to your knees and next player icon!

I'm a hip-hop head, but no need to use your pants halfway down. Just like there's no need to paint your fingernails or tint your hair pink if you like punk rock.
Oh, but I ain't no kid either

 

[Chuny]

In fact...
Celtics