PES 2019 Discussion Thread (PS4, XB1)

Interesting news. Long story short, someone has figured out a method to extrapolate the number of players to have played PS4 games using the videos I mentioned in the PS4 thread (these are NOT SALES, i.e. more than one user account can play one purchased copy of a game, HOWEVER it does provide an insight of sorts into how many copies are out there).

Here are PES's figures... Remember, this is exclusively on PS4. Numbers are accurate as of mid-November (so don't include things like copies bought for Christmas):

PES 2015 - 1,380,000 (EUR/AUS/ASIA)
PES 2016 - 2,680,000 (WORLDWIDE)
PES 2017 - 2,055,000 (WORLDWIDE)
PES 2018 - 2,080,000 (WORLDWIDE)
PES 2019 - 660,000 (WORLDWIDE)

For more, including FIFA's figures and all the working, please see (and discuss in) the FIFA & PES: Contrast & Compare thread.
 
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Emroth said:
No offense taken, especially that Im more or less in the same boat as you, pal.

What I meant is that basic/default game is not great this year. Its crap. It has huge potential, great physics, but does not play well on default settings against AI.
And if it wasnt for people suggestions in here I would simply not be playing it by now.

I could sign my name under your second paragraph. Im working shifts and have a young daughter myself. The only time I can play, is before I go to sleep every few nights, when Im off. For more or less 2 hours.
Dont know if you saw the post of our "most played games". My most played game had around 150hrs.
All I can squeeze is 4 matches/evening in my ML. I started ML in October and Im only starting my second season now.
So i know exactly how you feel.

But I do like football games and the other game is not sitting with me at all, even tho im really trying.
So my options were
- forget about football games
- play the other and get annoyed
- squeeze 4 matches that are enjoyable
So I picked option 3...

Cant really give you any advice about camera. I love to watch broadcast but I cant play it. Im using normal one.

But as for AI boost - it was one of my main complaints from the get go. But i dont have this recently.
Is it my settings? High Team Spirit? Last patch? Dont know. But Im enjoying it.
Main thing is to find a right ballance for yourself.
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I've played 20 Min games since Pes 13,with the exception of Pes 16,it was impossible on it,games would end 5-5 etc.
Manual or PA 0 since 13 as well.
My take on setting up the game that way is that I rather play 10 games a week that has some sort of realism than 20 frantic ping pong games.
And for the PA0 thing,same story," i dont have time to learn etc"
But since I know I'm probably gonna play Pes 14/15/16/17/18/19- Pes 2030 I'd better learn it cause otherwise I'd be stuck playing a pingy game every year.
It's not the biggest surprise that PA1 it's a ping fest every year,so learn PA0 or forever be stuck with it.
Glad I learned.
 
Emroth said:
This forum has saved my football gaming this year.
If it wasnt for you guys i wouldnt try PA0 and most likely wouldnt play by now.
Im saying this coz yesterday i followed another suggestion and switched to 20mins. And yet again it made the overall experience better. Cant really put my finger on it, but seems like match flow has changed again. Played 5 games and I dont think ill be going back to 15mins anytime soon.
AI was more patient, they held a ball more before passing, which increased physicality as I could get into defending battles more, rather than focus on interceptions.
I wasnt getting into a panic mode after loosing a goal and i didnt feel the need to instantly react by changing mentality or moving defensive line. Everything just felt more natural.
And none of the matches ended up with many goals, which is probably main fear that I had.
Here's one of the stats
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Ps. I know..Edgar Davids.. :LOL:
I liked him and he is very easy to create! :LOL:
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Bloody hell mate change your team name to Wolverhampton Wanderers at least! Who are Wolverhampton FC?

I hate that about PES Uni’s OF. They’ve got ‘FC’ after every team, looks stupid. I edit all the teams and remove the FC.
 
Mikhail said:
I hate that about PES Uni’s OF. They’ve got ‘FC’ after every team, looks stupid. I edit all the teams and remove the FC.
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Ha, I do the same! :D

I think it's because the licensed teams are locked down to having "FC" at the end, all because of the Champions League and their presentation guidelines (they present every team by their "full official name", which usually includes the FC, in all TV presentation).

This kind of thing (all FCs and CFs):
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The UEFA license has gone but I doubt they'll change the way they work.
 
rockstrongo said:
Haven't played Pes in what seems to be ages (2 months) but I had a few games today,been playing FIFA a lot lately,not because I feel it's better,but it's comfy.

Anyway got back to Pes again after scrolling through my YT channel and watching clips of old 17-18 games and a few Pes 19 games.

I don't know if you have to be out of the loop to really appreciate how good it plays and looks.
I'm used to seeing the ball being pinged around by players not even looking at where they're passing it.
And it's not a comparison,it's just a reflection on how realistic this game can look and play
To bad I'm absolutely rubbish at it though,got murdered playing PA0 on both TP and SS.

One thing though,my main issue with this game has nothing to do on how the game plays,but on the removing of D2,I wasn't even gonna buy it,but did it because it was dirt cheap on release day.
But if they keep this format for PES 2020,I'm out.
Such a horrible fucking decision by onami
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same boat as me i haven't played it in months and have been on pro clubs instead with mates on fifa

if i do go back to play some pes it will be on 17 or 18 to play a master league i enjoyed those despite their flaws I can't find enjoyment on 2019 plus the removal of serie b was the final nail i only got the game because i was bored and it was a cheap deal on psn played it maybe 5 or 6 times not bothered since
 
saintric said:
same boat as me i haven't played it in months and have been on pro clubs instead with mates on fifa

if i do go back to play some pes it will be on 17 or 18 to play a master league i enjoyed those despite their flaws I can't find enjoyment on 2019 plus the removal of serie b was the final nail i only got the game because i was bored and it was a cheap deal on psn played it maybe 5 or 6 times not bothered since
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My thoughts to mate.
I acctually started a ML on 19 yesterday,but the "you have to have a shit first season" that Pes always has kills it,defending feels off etc
Played my 17 (7 seasons in) be prepared for a very fast game,I was shocked (on minus 1) how fast it was.
 
Mikhail said:
Bloody hell mate change your team name to Wolverhampton Wanderers at least! Who are Wolverhampton FC?

I hate that about PES Uni’s OF. They’ve got ‘FC’ after every team, looks stupid. I edit all the teams and remove the FC.
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Me to,this year (konami) is horrible,it's Sassuolo instead of Us Sassuolo Calcio.
I always edit myself
 
Konami is so fucking dreadful in explaining the game mechanisms and controlls..
Every now and again I go to online manual and every time i learn something new.

Im struggling with winning air balls recently (again). After last patch, players are (again) being glued onto opposition backs and AI is winning 90% of headers during corners against me.
Not a gamebreaker, but annoying AF. Every corner is more dangerous than free kick to me.

Anyway - did you know that adjusting defense/offense mentality will change number of players in penalty area to defend? Logical, right? Never thought about it, but logical. Stupid me.

But did you know that you have 3 options in defending corners (same as you have 4 tactical options in offense)??

Directions:
Up - mixed defending
Left - man2man marking
Right - zonal defending

We're on Pes19 now and I never heard of it!
 
Emroth said:
Konami is so fucking dreadful in explaining the game mechanisms and controlls..
Every now and again I go to online manual and every time i learn something new.

Im struggling with winning air balls recently (again). After last patch, players are (again) being glued onto opposition backs and AI is winning 90% of headers during corners against me.
Not a gamebreaker, but annoying AF. Every corner is more dangerous than free kick to me.

Anyway - did you know that adjusting defense/offense mentality will change number of players in penalty area to defend? Logical, right? Never thought about it, but logical. Stupid me.

But did you know that you have 3 options in defending corners (same as you have 4 tactical options in offense)??

Directions:
Up - mixed defending
Left - man2man marking
Right - zonal defending

We're on Pes19 now and I never heard of it!
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Basically there are 8 options in attack corners.From the left direction are the positioning tactics and from the right direction is the short corner tactics.
For the defense tactics I knew this since 2017 but I see many people have not noticed it,you can also use its while defending free kicks.Maybe they play with the help panel off.And a fact for defending,in real life football the “must” in set pieces is man marking while zonal marking is more vulnerable.In pes it is exact opposite,if you use man marking in corners or defending free kicks you will very often suffer from momentum header goals as your player gets stuck in the initial positioning.The zonal defending is more effective,at least for me it reduced by more than 50% the momentum CPU headers while my defender was kept stacked.
 
slamsoze said:
Basically there are 8 options in attack corners.From the left direction are the positioning tactics and from the right direction is the short corner tactics.
For the defense tactics I knew this since 2017 but I see many people have not noticed it,you can also use its while defending free kicks.Maybe they play with the help panel off.And a fact for defending,in real life football the “must” in set pieces is man marking while zonal marking is more vulnerable.In pes it is exact opposite,if you use man marking in corners or defending free kicks you will very often suffer from momentum header goals as your player gets stuck in the initial positioning.The zonal defending is more effective,at least for me it reduced by more than 50% the momentum CPU headers while my defender was kept stacked.
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Yeah i knew about 8. Said 4 coz its 4 for each type. Never even heard of defensive ones tho!
And these help tips? They are terrible!
They either flash before you can read first line or (especially the ones you have to press to skip) are so useless that nobody read them, as most of the time they tell you "X to pass, Square to shoot"

Thanks for the tip! I was planning to use man2man marking. I thought thats where my problem was! But it seems that i might have to check and experiment with both to see which fits better!
 
Emroth said:
Konami is so fucking dreadful in explaining the game mechanisms and controlls..
Every now and again I go to online manual and every time i learn something new.

Im struggling with winning air balls recently (again). After last patch, players are (again) being glued onto opposition backs and AI is winning 90% of headers during corners against me.
Not a gamebreaker, but annoying AF. Every corner is more dangerous than free kick to me.

Anyway - did you know that adjusting defense/offense mentality will change number of players in penalty area to defend? Logical, right? Never thought about it, but logical. Stupid me.

But did you know that you have 3 options in defending corners (same as you have 4 tactical options in offense)??

Directions:
Up - mixed defending
Left - man2man marking
Right - zonal defending

We're on Pes19 now and I never heard of it!
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I've used that option since 17 I think,and I always use zonal defending.
But yes they should have some sort of tutorial video in the game with all functions
 
Emroth said:
Konami is so fucking dreadful in explaining the game mechanisms and controlls..
Every now and again I go to online manual and every time i learn something new.

Im struggling with winning air balls recently (again). After last patch, players are (again) being glued onto opposition backs and AI is winning 90% of headers during corners against me.
Not a gamebreaker, but annoying AF. Every corner is more dangerous than free kick to me.

Anyway - did you know that adjusting defense/offense mentality will change number of players in penalty area to defend? Logical, right? Never thought about it, but logical. Stupid me.

But did you know that you have 3 options in defending corners (same as you have 4 tactical options in offense)??

Directions:
Up - mixed defending
Left - man2man marking
Right - zonal defending

We're on Pes19 now and I never heard of it!
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I always use R2 + clear to defend and works most of the time. Otherwise they'll always win headers.
 
Emroth said:
You were right, as usual, gentlemen.
Zonal Defending is the way to go. Big improvements in aerial battles. Much obliged.

And here's my best volley so far:

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Very nice goal, and the replay footage (highlight style footage) looks great - just wish you could have more control over these replays in the actual replay mode and use the various highlight footage camera views, if you know what I mean.

What stadium is that?? as grainy as your footage is, it looks amazing.. im guessing its cloudy with rain conditions?? Konami have definitely nailed the lighting this year..and overall colours.. day (still my preference) and night, both dry and wet, look amazing this year.
 
rockstrongo said:
It's not the biggest surprise that PA1 it's a ping fest every year,so learn PA0 or forever be stuck with it.
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Fair enough, though perhaps a bit absolutist. What's wrong about asking Konami to improve PA1 (by, for example, making the stats count again) rather than asking everybody to switch to PA0 or shut up (I know that's not what you said, but it reads a bit like it)?

I am playing all offline, mostly in Master League. The ping-fest is for me not a result of PA but of the way Konami has designed the opponent AI. If the COM would also play more "manual" on PA0, I would be the first to go through the ordeal of learning the manual controls. In my observation, however, the COM plays the exact same "ping fest", no matter what PA I am on. Therefore, I personally see no point in handicapping myself even more though I respect the fuma crowd and envy the inspiration they get out of playing it this way.

As for the 20 minutes: Yes, I can see how that could make the AI become less "pingy". I will certainly try this out.
 
Lami said:
I always use R2 + clear to defend and works most of the time. Otherwise they'll always win headers.
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I do. R2 or Supercancel. And it works in most cases. But it didnt work when defending corners for me. Its very difficult to judge where the ball is going to land in crowded penalty box, during corners. So I dont know where to position my defenders. I dont need to win all the headers, i just want to have a fair chance.
aussiepesfan said:
What stadium is that?? as grainy as your footage is, it looks amazing.. im guessing its cloudy with rain conditions??
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Good question. :LOL:
Its Wolves home ground after V4 OF from Pesuni. I dont even know if they changed stadiums for teams. They put a pictures and a names of real stadiums, so not sure which stadium is that.
Rodchenko said:
I am playing all offline, mostly in Master League. The ping-fest is for me not a result of PA but of the way Konami has designed the opponent AI. If the COM would also play more "manual" on PA0, I would be the first to go through the ordeal of learning the manual controls. In my observation, however, the COM plays the exact same "ping fest", no matter what PA I am on. Therefore, I personally see no point in handicapping myself
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I do believe that AI plays differently regarding of your PA level.
I also dont see switching to manual as handicapping yourself. Maybe initially, yeah. But thats why people also usually switch difficulty to Profesional (or lower)
In time it can open the game for you and you can do things that you cant on PA1.
You dont look at the pitch anymore, thinking "oh, i wish i could pass there but i know its not gonna work"..

There is also another element to it..
Last time i switched to PA1 about a month ago for one match and I found it really bad. Not because passes were too auto, or AI was too pingy, but mostly because I was switched off for most of the match. Its hard to explain but you have to stay focused and be more "involved" when on PA0. In the same time it doesnt cross the line, where it becomes too demanding.
No one is forcing anyone to switch to manual here.
And you are right -Konami should change PA1 and AI. But I think quicker way to enjoy the game, is to switch to manual, than to wait for Konami. :LOL:
Personally, i wish i switched earlier than Pes19.
 
Rodchenko said:
Fair enough, though perhaps a bit absolutist. What's wrong about asking Konami to improve PA1 (by, for example, making the stats count again) rather than asking everybody to switch to PA0 or shut up (I know that's not what you said, but it reads a bit like it)?

I am playing all offline, mostly in Master League. The ping-fest is for me not a result of PA but of the way Konami has designed the opponent AI. If the COM would also play more "manual" on PA0, I would be the first to go through the ordeal of learning the manual controls. In my observation, however, the COM plays the exact same "ping fest", no matter what PA I am on. Therefore, I personally see no point in handicapping myself even more though I respect the fuma crowd and envy the inspiration they get out of playing it this way.

As for the 20 minutes: Yes, I can see how that could make the AI become less "pingy". I will certainly try this out.
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That was written from my view of the game,how I tackle it,not a tip on how you should conduct your Pes playing
So going all "you're an absolutist" doesn't really cut it right?

I'm not gonna give you any pointers/lecture on how to play the game,it's all up to you.
This game plays the best without assists,that's pretty much how most players feel (manual players Vs PA1-3)

Ive played manual since 13,and the Cpu is less frantic and has a lower pass percentage when I play them on manual than when on PA1-3
They also foul a lot more,since the looseness of the ball is much more evident on manual,so that argument doesn't fly either.

To sum it all up,I wrote it from my view,on how I should enjoy the game.
How you enjoy it,play it,well that's your business and down to time and interest.

Even though I know it may look and sound a bit elitist when writing "manual is better" and reading between the lines I/we/it really says "take off the training wheel" " try to ski down a slope instead of the parking lot" etc
Kids grow up fast (mine is 13 now !!!!) So maybe Pes 2025 will be your manual debut:)
Hope you enjoy it anyway
 
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philla said:
That looks brilliant in every regard. The price to pay (mainly AI and control annoyances) is really acceptable this year - at least if you play on full manual.
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There are still annoying stuff that break the immersion, with how unresponsive the game js on -1 gamespeed
 
got to say it's a lot harder to find an online divisions game recently. it's still fun but i'm playing the same people a lot and they've sussed my tactics :D i managed to reach division 5 but have sunk back down to division 8 since the last patch and i find it a lot harder to win. most people i play against have figured out their exploit way of playing it seems
 
Lobbedball said:
There are still annoying stuff that break the immersion, with how unresponsive the game js on -1 gamespeed
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Doesn´t that refer to "control annoyances" anyway? However, i consider the game more than responsive enough (even on -2 speed), the last thing i want is 22 pilotfish with edgy animations on a green pitch.
 
Mikhail said:
Bloody hell mate change your team name to Wolverhampton Wanderers at least! Who are Wolverhampton FC?
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I do prefer the formal official approach to team names. I was really urked by the fact in FIFA Tottenham are simply named "Spurs."

Wtf? Talk about illogical inconsistency to just hand pick a couple of teams, use their nicknames or shorthand when every other team has correct naming convention. They did the same to Marseilles just shortening to "OM".

Disgraceful.
 
First two ML games played
Haven't touched it in 2 months.
A very rude awakening,started a new ML with Milan,got hammered by Udinese at home 3-1 on 20 Min TP PA1 -1 gamespeed.
Went up a notch to SS for my next game Vs Frosinone.
This game (to me) plays much better on SS,downside is that the Cpu exploit your every mistake,could easily have lost 5-2.
Upside is that my good players play really well,always felt that TP and Professional dumbs your stats down a bit.
It's very clear when playing with a fast player,get caught on TP/Professional,but shines and sprints free from slow Def on SS.

Splendid game,forgot (or didn't play) how free and creative it feels.
Scripting is always there etc,but since I've skipped fluid formations,it's much less if that than before.
Let's see how long it takes before I lose it and stop playing it:)
Anyway a good compliment to my FIFA gaming for sure,missed playing slow Serie A games
 
rockstrongo said:
This game (to me) plays much better on SS,downside is that the Cpu exploit your every mistake,could easily have lost 5-2.
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I always found that on Superstar, the game is just aggressive pressure and attack from the AI mode.

Almost every time you lose possession, no matter where you are on the pitch, the result is the opposition get an automatic counter attack with a guaranteed attempt on goal, every time. It's not fun and the DMF's are about as useful as a glass hammer on this game. They NEVER any where to be seen when the AI commences an attack.
 
MafiaMurderBag said:
I always found that on Superstar, the game is just aggressive pressure and attack from the AI mode.

Almost every time you lose possession, no matter where you are on the pitch, the result is the opposition get an automatic counter attack with a guaranteed attempt on goal, every time. It's not fun and the DMF's are about as useful as a glass hammer on this game. They NEVER any where to be seen when the AI commences an attack.
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I think SS is better on Pes 19 than on previous games,I play TP Vs shit teams and SS Vs tougher teams.
And yes it can be brutal,they are very clinical,but on TP,my players are so unresponsive.
My main issue with this game is that you can't fucking defend.
On Pes 17 you could keep a clean sheet by defending smart.
My first 3 games (TP-SS-TP) have ended 1-3 2-3 1-3.
That's 9 goals up my shitter.
And it's not because of a sharp CPU,it's down to players being very unresponsive and half asleep
 
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