Jamezinho
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PES 2014 Discussion Thread
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klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
Moving on. I think by June when the World Cup hits. PES 2014 will probably be a completely new game with tons of Updates. We are already on 1.06 in December. Well be on 2.30 in March at this rate 
This has happened many times before PES 2011 and PES 2012 especially.
This has happened many times before PES 2011 and PES 2012 especially.
NikoLiberty4
Premier League
I just thought about a (maybe) interesting idea...Moving on. I think by June when the World Cup hits. PES 2014 will probably be a completely new game with tons of Updates. We are already on 1.06 in December. Well be on 2.30 in March at this rate
This has happened many times before PES 2011 and PES 2012 especially.
Basically, a few weeks before the World Cup starts (or around the time EA relaeases their WC game), Konami can release a title, which would only feature the 32 WC National Teams without the actual WC license, with some NTs licensed and the rest unlicensed. Also, users would be able to call up whatever player they want to make customized squads.
This game would be free to play with some advertisement in menus and adboards, so IMO it would be a relevant comeptition to the EA game (which will probably costs €60) and its focus would be online gaming, with usual features like rankings, online cups and leagues., and prizes for the tournament winners. Some other daily events, similar to FIFA's scenario mode, and based on actual WC games, could help too.
The gameplay would feature a slightly upgraded version of PES/WE 2014 This game would be availabile on both current-gen and next-gen systems via PSN and Xbox Live. In addtition, the next-gen version can serve as a "prologue" to the actual PES 2015 to let users see Fox Engine's full potential.
Sure my idea is unfinished and flawed in some aspects, but I don't know another alternative for Konami to keep their game relevant this year.
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klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
I think Konami will do an early PES 2015 demo featuring 4-8 teams, all the teams from the world cup Quarter/Semi Finals after the tournament.
Konami will need to act upon the coming world cup! More updates needed, or the same idea Niko said.
Konami will need to act upon the coming world cup! More updates needed, or the same idea Niko said.
I doesn't seem like a bad idea so as to showcase some early next-gen work, but i highly doubt that konami will do that. I think their emphasis now is to see how much can be fixed in pes 2014 before the worldcup starts. I hope they patch in a similar international challenge mode like pes 6 on pes 2014
Robbery
stay cool its a Robbery
Can't imagine Konami will bring anything special for the World Cup. Would be glad if they put in some more content (lika a deep ML) for PES15, but not sure if they are able to do it. I really lost all my faith in this company.
i think you are jst being overly pessimistic, a lot of things where in pes 2013 but were removed from pes 2014 due to the time it took to get the new engine running.
I am very sure that we will have the best pes ML on pes 2015 as a lot of people will be involved in pes for the first time . Have a little faith
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
Konami is our only hope.
DuduBR9
Champions League
- 25 July 2010
My brother does this cheap play on PES 2013 almost every time he goes for attack. He passes back to a teammate holding L1 (one two button), waits like 2 seconds, enough for the player that passed the ball to be close to the box, and then he makes a high through ball always finding the player that made the run in a good position to cross or shoot, and that player is always in line wich makes it even more annoying
Robbery
stay cool its a Robbery
I hope you're right mate. It's not easy to have faith because of how Konami act this year. I would say they are in a really bad shape right now and i have the feeling they lost direction. I'm not sure they have a vision of how deep and entertaining a ML-Mode should look like. They put things in and out year by year. Doesn't make much sense. I don't see a clear path it looks more like trial and error to me.
Time will tell i guess.
I don't know about that World Cup idea. PES is excellent when it comes to variety of National Teams. In fact I think the game plays better using them than club teams (no evidence it just feels right as it's more like a bunch of individuals). They aren't all licensed but in no way are Konami going to buy any rights to stadia or anything like that for a one-off game.
Doesn't Fifa release a World Cup game as it keeps half of the national teams in it out of their main series of games?
Doesn't Fifa release a World Cup game as it keeps half of the national teams in it out of their main series of games?
Polter2k_2k8
League 1
- 10 February 2008
Dlc pack stadium in store USA right now
fuente: winningelevenblog.es
fuente: winningelevenblog.es
RAMAXWY
Premier League
- 16 October 2006
- Barcelona
i have a question. is version 1.06 available on all regions?
everyone seems to be playing an updated version 1.06 but mine is still on 1.04.
south american version of the game same as the US right?
don't see anything on the ps3 when i load the game.
everyone seems to be playing an updated version 1.06 but mine is still on 1.04.
south american version of the game same as the US right?
don't see anything on the ps3 when i load the game.
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
Dlc pack stadium in store USA right now
fuente: winningelevenblog.es
Well done.
Edit: Shit biscuit! Doesn't work with the UK version of the game.
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
Still 1.04 here.
RAMAXWY
Premier League
- 16 October 2006
- Barcelona
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
Me too.
zeemeister
foxy engine
Me 3.
Wierd how EU region is being left in the dark. Whilst the east and America's get things first. Konami playing to their strengths?
I dont feel like they have lost their ways tbh. The foundation is there and it's based on the same principles as all the PES games before.
The difference is that this game had to be stripped for the generation we are leqving hence the lack of, stadia, weather, stadium editor and Ml without the fluff.
Remember the first trailers we saw with the smoke effects in the crowds flares and the kits getting stained etc..those have not made it.
It also depends what your yardstick is for their success. Pes 3-6 was a progression, 2008 - 2010 the hard years and 2011 - 2013 the recovery. 2014 is now the foundation for what I hope is a fruitful few years not playing catchup.
Like you said - time will tell.
Wierd how EU region is being left in the dark. Whilst the east and America's get things first. Konami playing to their strengths?
I dont feel like they have lost their ways tbh. The foundation is there and it's based on the same principles as all the PES games before.
The difference is that this game had to be stripped for the generation we are leqving hence the lack of, stadia, weather, stadium editor and Ml without the fluff.
Remember the first trailers we saw with the smoke effects in the crowds flares and the kits getting stained etc..those have not made it.
It also depends what your yardstick is for their success. Pes 3-6 was a progression, 2008 - 2010 the hard years and 2011 - 2013 the recovery. 2014 is now the foundation for what I hope is a fruitful few years not playing catchup.
Like you said - time will tell.
zeemeister
foxy engine
No pc, Asia and US have all updates plus dlc
EU has bugger all
EU has bugger all
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losslesscompression
Championship
- 1 December 2010
Only 100kb, that mean the stadiums were in the game all day long. No wonder on the PC, modder had it unlocked ages ago.
RAMAXWY
Premier League
- 16 October 2006
- Barcelona
nope, i have the US version and don't have the 1.06 update yet.
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
My hopes have never been this low before.
The game needed to be rebuilt from the ground up, and I really doubt that happened in 1/2 years.
zeemeister
foxy engine
zeemeister
foxy engine
The game has been rebuilt. What is it that you dont like. What do Konami need to do to please you. Not having a go I just want to know what it is.
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
Yes,you are right.The game has been rebuilt already, it's Pes 2014.
Pes 2015 will be Pes 2014 with better graphics, no slowdowns in menus and gameplay, some bugs fixed, others introduced and quicker player movement.
I just hope the modes will be really improved.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
Please move this into the feedback thread if it opens:
Looking towards PES 2015
On the Pitch Improvements:
1. Responsiveness:
This has dogged this game since day one when we first played the Alpha demo, the animations are all new and from scratch and as we can all see, they for the most part look brilliant, but they are not responsive enough to present good consistency, everything between keepers especially and players, the animations take too long to switch between eachover, lots of standing around and not reacting and lastly button lag. This pretty much stating the obvious really as everyone know this problem and we know konami will develop on this next year.
2. Basic Shooting/kicking functions expansion:
As the legendary Jimmy has spoken, there simply isn't enough depth and variance when it comes to shooting, 'Keepers seem superman from range but useless from close range'! The big issue is shooting feels under-powered in general regarding long range and using the R2 inside foot shot, there is nowhere near enough variance regarding a players body balance while shooting, everything seems to be on target, you do see shots ballooning because it's stuck under a players foot and things like that. Basic and advanced shooting suffer from this, they still seem at most in a beta stage, this needs work.
3. CPU Dribbling and skill sets.
a. Players move too slowly with your standard dribbling
Written extensively in full here:
http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2848241&postcount=21444
Players simply do not turn in real life like they do in PES 2014. A player does not take 2 sometimes 3 touches to turn as if they are nervous and scared on the ball. we all have played football here before and in training you will always receive 'two touch' drills to improve your movement on the ball and get you used to taking a touch then releasing.
The problems come simply with the difference between moving normally and sprinting is simply to big! its also hurts movement off the ball massively, players either have to sprint and overrun or doddle into position, so players don't move enough in the short game and move too much in the long game. I'm seeing this in training mode by the way so it's a core issue, not a command ingame error. For example on PES 2011-2013 i would regularly use L2 Dribbling which is very underrated and is a key element to the game, in which you run very slightly slower than normally but have better ball control, you can weave past 2-3 players if you had a good dribbler, On PES 2014 this is totally useless because the player simply runs too slowly and doesn't turn sharply enough to perform it. I have a video called 'This was PES 2013' there was a Bryan Ruiz dribble where i beat 4 players using L2 dribbling which simply cannot be done on PES 2014, again it's too slow and players don't cut as sharply as needed.
I like this dribbling for me i see the plan next year for the game to return to players moving at the correct normal speed like shown in PES 2013 but this time i can see the movement having a beautiful organic linear movement system where if you move the left stick lightly so it stays more or less to the center, it moves like PES 2014, but move the left stick out to the edge like in PES 2015, the players run at the same speed as in PES 2013, which will free up the game more and add better movement all round to the game. Most importunity we will see a better transition between running speeds. The short passing game, setting yourself for long shots, dribbling at normal speed along with other aspect will automatically improve and you will still have slow speed dribbling like in PES 2014 for moving the ball around in tight spots and corners which where simply not possible before I that detail.
b. Step overs.
the cpu does tricks, we also see individuality so certian players with traits will do the more often, for some strange reason they refuse to do step overs which really should be common place, needs implementing.
4. Players are human beings! Extensive health and injury system
Always bugs me in the last few PES games my players hardly get injured in Master League, not since PES 6 has this been good. PES 2011 did 'C' resistance injuries quite well, you couldn't rely on a player like that, in PES we still have this rather basic system. For PES onward we should scrap this and create a 'body health' system. Similar to what we used to see in the WWE Smackdown series even.
Every player should have a 'body' With this when a player receives an injury, it graded into as we have now 3 types of injuries. 'Impact', 'standard' or 'heavy'.
An Impact injury/light injury at the beginning of the game when the player is at full health can be run off. If it haIf it happens once his stamina is depleted late on, it could develop into a light injury which requires him to miss anywhere between a day or two weeks. In some cases it could even develop into a more long term standard injury if the player isn't taken off. It's about being able to manage injuries like this
A Standard injury will usually require a player to limp off the pitch, a times the player may need a stretcher depending on the severity, this will usually cause a player to miss Two weeks to two months of action. Muscle injuries can come into play a lot here with players picking up thing, hamstring and grion injuries from overplaying.
A severe heavy injury will mean the player will miss 3 months to a year of action. Usually requiring a stretcher and if a leg break oxygen mask.
In all the menu screens you can check if any part of the players body carries a 'weak point' in which if you play this player too much he will pick up injuries. You will have opportunities to send players with 'weak points' to rehabilitation centers to try clear injuries for good. Weak points can be picked up after prolonged playing though injuries, re-occurring injuries or from one very big injury. Players if received impact injuries may play with leg bandages (like in PES5) Or if received an facial bruise may play in masks.
5. Weather and environment:
I miss snow, and rain, we need to see these two added back into PES, along with weather conditions and especially things like wind affecting the way and the length of how far the ball can be kicked. I also expect the CPU to be full aware of conditions so they will look to play long balls into the wind in their favor and in heavy snow or on a poor quality waterlogged pitch will play the ball int he air a lot more. Weather should also obviously depending on the severity and pitch quality affect how it rolls and bounces on the pitch. If the pitch as under-soil heating it shouldn't affect it as badly as pitches without. Finally all the little extras such on cold days seeing players breath, wet hair, players slipping and sliding should be implemented (which is why i think Konami have held back on this because they wanted to implement everything correctly).
In Master League Under-soil heating and pitch management can be a very basic upgrade which is purchased in the off season.
Looking towards PES 2015
On the Pitch Improvements:
1. Responsiveness:
This has dogged this game since day one when we first played the Alpha demo, the animations are all new and from scratch and as we can all see, they for the most part look brilliant, but they are not responsive enough to present good consistency, everything between keepers especially and players, the animations take too long to switch between eachover, lots of standing around and not reacting and lastly button lag. This pretty much stating the obvious really as everyone know this problem and we know konami will develop on this next year.
2. Basic Shooting/kicking functions expansion:
As the legendary Jimmy has spoken, there simply isn't enough depth and variance when it comes to shooting, 'Keepers seem superman from range but useless from close range'! The big issue is shooting feels under-powered in general regarding long range and using the R2 inside foot shot, there is nowhere near enough variance regarding a players body balance while shooting, everything seems to be on target, you do see shots ballooning because it's stuck under a players foot and things like that. Basic and advanced shooting suffer from this, they still seem at most in a beta stage, this needs work.
3. CPU Dribbling and skill sets.
a. Players move too slowly with your standard dribbling
Written extensively in full here:
http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2848241&postcount=21444
Players simply do not turn in real life like they do in PES 2014. A player does not take 2 sometimes 3 touches to turn as if they are nervous and scared on the ball. we all have played football here before and in training you will always receive 'two touch' drills to improve your movement on the ball and get you used to taking a touch then releasing.
The problems come simply with the difference between moving normally and sprinting is simply to big! its also hurts movement off the ball massively, players either have to sprint and overrun or doddle into position, so players don't move enough in the short game and move too much in the long game. I'm seeing this in training mode by the way so it's a core issue, not a command ingame error. For example on PES 2011-2013 i would regularly use L2 Dribbling which is very underrated and is a key element to the game, in which you run very slightly slower than normally but have better ball control, you can weave past 2-3 players if you had a good dribbler, On PES 2014 this is totally useless because the player simply runs too slowly and doesn't turn sharply enough to perform it. I have a video called 'This was PES 2013' there was a Bryan Ruiz dribble where i beat 4 players using L2 dribbling which simply cannot be done on PES 2014, again it's too slow and players don't cut as sharply as needed.
I like this dribbling for me i see the plan next year for the game to return to players moving at the correct normal speed like shown in PES 2013 but this time i can see the movement having a beautiful organic linear movement system where if you move the left stick lightly so it stays more or less to the center, it moves like PES 2014, but move the left stick out to the edge like in PES 2015, the players run at the same speed as in PES 2013, which will free up the game more and add better movement all round to the game. Most importunity we will see a better transition between running speeds. The short passing game, setting yourself for long shots, dribbling at normal speed along with other aspect will automatically improve and you will still have slow speed dribbling like in PES 2014 for moving the ball around in tight spots and corners which where simply not possible before I that detail.
b. Step overs.
the cpu does tricks, we also see individuality so certian players with traits will do the more often, for some strange reason they refuse to do step overs which really should be common place, needs implementing.
4. Players are human beings! Extensive health and injury system
Always bugs me in the last few PES games my players hardly get injured in Master League, not since PES 6 has this been good. PES 2011 did 'C' resistance injuries quite well, you couldn't rely on a player like that, in PES we still have this rather basic system. For PES onward we should scrap this and create a 'body health' system. Similar to what we used to see in the WWE Smackdown series even.
Every player should have a 'body' With this when a player receives an injury, it graded into as we have now 3 types of injuries. 'Impact', 'standard' or 'heavy'.
An Impact injury/light injury at the beginning of the game when the player is at full health can be run off. If it haIf it happens once his stamina is depleted late on, it could develop into a light injury which requires him to miss anywhere between a day or two weeks. In some cases it could even develop into a more long term standard injury if the player isn't taken off. It's about being able to manage injuries like this
A Standard injury will usually require a player to limp off the pitch, a times the player may need a stretcher depending on the severity, this will usually cause a player to miss Two weeks to two months of action. Muscle injuries can come into play a lot here with players picking up thing, hamstring and grion injuries from overplaying.
A severe heavy injury will mean the player will miss 3 months to a year of action. Usually requiring a stretcher and if a leg break oxygen mask.
In all the menu screens you can check if any part of the players body carries a 'weak point' in which if you play this player too much he will pick up injuries. You will have opportunities to send players with 'weak points' to rehabilitation centers to try clear injuries for good. Weak points can be picked up after prolonged playing though injuries, re-occurring injuries or from one very big injury. Players if received impact injuries may play with leg bandages (like in PES5) Or if received an facial bruise may play in masks.
5. Weather and environment:
I miss snow, and rain, we need to see these two added back into PES, along with weather conditions and especially things like wind affecting the way and the length of how far the ball can be kicked. I also expect the CPU to be full aware of conditions so they will look to play long balls into the wind in their favor and in heavy snow or on a poor quality waterlogged pitch will play the ball int he air a lot more. Weather should also obviously depending on the severity and pitch quality affect how it rolls and bounces on the pitch. If the pitch as under-soil heating it shouldn't affect it as badly as pitches without. Finally all the little extras such on cold days seeing players breath, wet hair, players slipping and sliding should be implemented (which is why i think Konami have held back on this because they wanted to implement everything correctly).
In Master League Under-soil heating and pitch management can be a very basic upgrade which is purchased in the off season.
A Real Gentleman
Conference
- 6 September 2013
We also need realistic stamina & fatigue. Back when I was actually playing PES2014, there was a game where I had a large period of play where I was playing a very fast pressing and attacking game, when this stopped I was thinking how awesome it would be if I now had to pay the price for such intensity and let my players recover before the same thing could be attempted again. We are at the stage now with the next gen consoles that this should be in football games, that is assuming that the reason we have not seen it up to this point is because of hardware limitations. Something this relevant to the real life game should be one of the core foundations of both PES and FIFA.
Also Klashman I totally agree with having speed mapped fully to the stick, I have been thinking since PES2011 that this should be done. I think it would be great to have the player as you said, move like in PES2014 with the very close touches with the stick slightly pressed and the you could suddenly push it right out to the edge and he would knock it far ahead and chase after it. All movement would be far more intuitive with things this way, players like Messi would be incredible to use with such a system.
Also Klashman I totally agree with having speed mapped fully to the stick, I have been thinking since PES2011 that this should be done. I think it would be great to have the player as you said, move like in PES2014 with the very close touches with the stick slightly pressed and the you could suddenly push it right out to the edge and he would knock it far ahead and chase after it. All movement would be far more intuitive with things this way, players like Messi would be incredible to use with such a system.
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