Re: PES 2013 Discussion Thread .......
Why are you so against options/choices? There's no reason why there should be less options tactically now than in previous versions.
By your way of reasoning, why play this game at all? Why not just disallow any human input during the match and just let the AI take control of all players. This way, Messi can do his dribbling and Iniesta/Xavi can do their one-touch passing.
The human player might be able to control Messi good enough and also might not play tiki-taka good enough.
all the examples i wrote, still hes writing such shit
hilarious
makes no sense to discuss anything with this person
(as usual)
It it obvious he just speaks for the sake of speaking. 8-12 is not black and white. I will just ignore anything he ever says along with calcio (who doesnt know crap about football).
i agree zeemeister is obviously an 8 year old
Sigh so much love where do I begin.
Apologies if I dont sit around typing Paragraphs of posts to get my point across I have very limited time nowadays and tend to leave one word answers without putting my point across properly. Infact this one post spanned over many fatherly duties and a wife recovering from a C section
Let me fix that though.
PES of old had the whole attack arrows and defence mindedness arrows so that you could dictate the channels your players operated in and also dictate how aggressively they defended so regardless of who you use, you could tailor make a formation to play the way you want and players respond accordingly, limited of course by their stats. I still have this on my PSP on PES2011 which still runs on PES 6 mechanics. Brilliant when you travelling.
In the old ML though you could literally take a striker and with the training give him a new position and mould him into the player you want.
The problems with this old system is that it took away from team and player individuality. In the master league you could pick any SB and make him fit your formation negating the need to purchase for a position so if you wanted to play with Fullbacks flying up the flanks like possessed spartans you could flick a switch or if you wanted him to hang back.
Secondly when you played online you could use a universal formation with just about any team because you are dictating everything
Thankfully, with the current generation Konami first opted for player cards where you could turn on and off on players attributes like Offensive full back or free roaming. They then took it a step further and removed the on/off option entirely.
Obvisouly I do not know the reasoning but speaking as someone who has played PES for a long time and still do on a daily basis in a few online leagues it seems that they opted to concentrate on player and team individuality.
Coentrao IRL is a offensive fullback he has a tendency to want to overlap and get forward alongside CR7 yes he has defensive abilites and uses them well but you cannot stop him from doing what is in his genetic code that Konami has given him, namely the "Offensive fullback" attribute and secondly his area of play (green area when selecting the player) which stretches from the goal line to the opposition goal line.
Compare that to Costa you will see he hardly ventures beyond the halfway line but this depends on your ingame strategy he can do it but will not be as successful and his attributes are not conducive to playing the outwide overlapping style
The other point about 8-12 is that 6 as seen below is a defensive minded play for the team. Selecting this affects the way your players respond so you can issue a command to the entire team and all the player will respond accordingly but doesnt mean that they will negate who they are.
12 is the attacking end of the spectrum as 14 takes it to the offensive play and again the players will be more mobile when you have the ball as they want to get forward to create space to pass to. So I do not understand how you can say 8-12 as they are very different levels of attack and defence.
Okay I could go on forever particularly on the outwide and down middle attack options but this post is taking faaaar too long.
So all in all I like the new system the old system IMO had too many flaws and stole from player individuality which for me is the cornerstone of the series. Its not perfect - these things never are but the series IMO has evolved well. You are now forced to adjust your style with different teams and also forced into buying better for ML
back to being an 8 year old again
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, but it was a copy of great MGS (yeah, still my fav franchise, beating Final Fantasy by some distance after MGS4).
, also Diablo II). You could play those FOR MONTHS and not get bored even once, finishing main story 5 or 20 times 
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