PES 2013 Discussion Thread

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avok23 said:
On a more serious not i cant stop coentrao from overlapping all the time.
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Matty_17 said:
its more realistic for him to always over lap no matter what

i think

wait

umm
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This may come as a blasphemy, but have you tried changing his role to CB? During entire 15min match on top player (Portugal vs Italy), as a CB, he made only 2 AI instructed overlapping runs ... and both situations were open invitations to run forward, especially for a player with such an attacking bias (Att/Def ratio 80+/50+). Just for the lulz, I set Pereira to play as CB too. Can't remember seeing him overlap at all. On my side, entire match was on balanced aggression level (middle green).

And before you start shouting 'But he's a fullback, I don't want him to sit back all the time' - it doesn't have to be like that for the entire match. Make 4-CB line as an alternative formation, which you can (de)activate on the fly.
 
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Lol Zlac the Pes 5 trick.
By the way i play neutral all game cos attack metality is 2 times stringer that attack in pes 5. The whole midfield dissapears. I am thinking of playing on 2/5 defensive but Bezema chooses not to move any more and the midfield doesnt support attack. i wish i could get a 2.5. Stop khedira from thinking he is fabregas and stop ozil from thinking he is inzaghi lol.
 
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I need to balance the center of my midfield in attack and defense. i want those banks of 2 in the middle of the field.
 
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zlac said:
And before you start shouting 'But he's a fullback, I don't want him to sit back all the time' - it doesn't have to be like that for the entire match. Make 4-CB line as an alternative formation, which you can (de)activate on the fly.
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again

wouldnt it make 100% more sense to have instructions telling your player how to play? e.g. 'overlap - never/sometimes/often', 'trackback - never/sometimes/often'... if you pick often on both and your player is a slow/bad player... then he will be slow in over lapping, and also slow in tracking back, and also if he has poor stamina he will tire very fast... so for poorer player you have to adjust your tactics accordingly.... so obvious
 
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no need for it, they need to revert to the system they had in pes 2010
first general off-def-bal switch, then playstyle cards switch

another example i havent covered in my posts last time is this:
lets say totti has the classic no.10 card, he can play as AM but also SS
so what if u like to play him as an AM w/o the nr.10 card, so he isnt dropping that deep and make more movements in the last third?

stuff like that was possible and they just screwed it
 
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avok23 said:
I need to balance the center of my midfield in attack and defense. i want those banks of 2 in the middle of the field.
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What is your attack setting? Or do you play defauly possession play?

@matty No it would'nt LOL. That's who he is. Ever watch real Coentrao play?
 
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The real Coentrao can be Positionally disciplined. Ever see him against Barca? Mourinho never plays 1 minded players hence no Marcelo in big games.

I play from 8-12 but trust me tactics wont fix the stupidity.
 
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8-12 is like saying you play from black to white, 12 is higher attacking so players tend to push up more. So besides the fact that its coentrao if you setup 10-12 he is going to push up. The latter part of your comment sort of sums it up though. If you don't want to fix something for the sake of an argument then enjoy.

And yes haven't missed a minute of any barca matches. Madrid played quick counter in most of their matches last season.
 
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Just as a reminder for anyone interested and playing the PC-demo. Dr. Hany, who fixed the nightgame-turf/lighting, released now also a day-time-turf-patch making the turf more realistic in contrast and colour, ie. better green. Check it out.
 
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Matty is like a dog with a bone. Go play Football MANAGER if you want to manage everything. Otherwise play the game to the player's strengths ;)
 
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CalcioCalabrese said:
Matty is like a dog with a bone. Go play Football MANAGER if you want to manage everything. Otherwise play the game to the player's strengths ;)
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Thats a weak argument. May as well argue player stats should have no bearing since its not a managerial game either.

There's no excuse to have more options tactically in PES 5 then we have now.
 
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ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
no need for it, they need to revert to the system they had in pes 2010
first general off-def-bal switch, then playstyle cards switch

another example i havent covered in my posts last time is this:
lets say totti has the classic no.10 card, he can play as AM but also SS
so what if u like to play him as an AM w/o the nr.10 card, so he isnt dropping that deep and make more movements in the last third?

stuff like that was possible and they just screwed it
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Agreed, they also removed the wing back position from the game.

The arrows from the PS2 games would take the current tactics to another level.
 
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There's no joy in timing your through balls as in PES 2011 and older versions. As pointed out by some people, it's as if the defending CPU knows exactly what you're doing in advance.
But another great cause for this is the lack of movement from AI team mates, making runs, opening spaces for you and so on. They are all static all the time!
I am hoping Konami will improve AI team mates off the ball movement in attack.
We can't be forced to use the R3 command every time we want a team mate to make a run? Konami has to make the game playable for people who, like me, don't want to use this R3 nonsense.
 
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I think the stats play a part in off the ball movement. I've been playing lots of man utd and arsenal, and once with barcelona: i noticed that barcelona players move a lot more than arsenal, likewise its easier to find space with arsenal than man utd.
 
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henrys hand said:
Just as a reminder for anyone interested and playing the PC-demo. Dr. Hany, who fixed the nightgame-turf/lighting, released now also a day-time-turf-patch making the turf more realistic in contrast and colour, ie. better green. Check it out.
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Excellent. Will give them a try.

CalcioCalabrese said:
Matty is like a dog with a bone. Go play Football MANAGER if you want to manage everything. Otherwise play the game to the player's strengths ;)
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dannyfc2 said:
Thats a weak argument. May as well argue player stats should have no bearing since its not a managerial game either.

There's no excuse to have more options tactically in PES 5 then we have now.
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I'm with Danny (and Matty) on this one. You should have complete control over every player's role in the match. If that means telling a marauding wing-back like Dani Alves to defend all match, then so be it. Hopefully his stats and tendencies will mean he's not very good at doing so, but the management option should be there.

PES is a managerial game otherwise it wouldn't offer the tactical depth that it does.
 
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zeemeister said:
I am unhappy because I can't tell messi to play at right back and defend :/
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Why are you so against options/choices? There's no reason why there should be less options tactically now than in previous versions.
By your way of reasoning, why play this game at all? Why not just disallow any human input during the match and just let the AI take control of all players. This way, Messi can do his dribbling and Iniesta/Xavi can do their one-touch passing.
The human player might be able to control Messi good enough and also might not play tiki-taka good enough.
 
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Rentboy said:
There's no joy in timing your through balls as in PES 2011 and older versions. As pointed out by some people, it's as if the defending CPU knows exactly what you're doing in advance.
But another great cause for this is the lack of movement from AI team mates, making runs, opening spaces for you and so on. They are all static all the time!
I am hoping Konami will improve AI team mates off the ball movement in attack.
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I agree about the through balls. With off-the-ball movement by friendly AI, be sure to stop with the ball occasionally and I find then they will flow around you. It's like stopping triggers different AI routines.
Likewise I find unless I use the new hold-up play feature while defending (holding A), the attacking AI tends to run rings around my defenders like in PES2012. If I use hold-up, regardless of player positions, it tends to slow their attack.
 
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Rentboy said:
There's no joy in timing your through balls as in PES 2011 and older versions. As pointed out by some people, it's as if the defending CPU knows exactly what you're doing in advance.
But another great cause for this is the lack of movement from AI team mates, making runs, opening spaces for you and so on. They are all static all the time!
I am hoping Konami will improve AI team mates off the ball movement in attack.
We can't be forced to use the R3 command every time we want a team mate to make a run? Konami has to make the game playable for people who, like me, don't want to use this R3 nonsense.
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When the AI do decide to pull their finger out and make runs I'm enjoying the heck out hitting successful through balls using just X + L2. But yea, I agree with your post, the movement and support of AI team mates in this demo needs improving.
 
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Ipswich69 said:
When the AI do decide to pull their finger out and make runs I'm enjoying the heck out hitting successful through balls using just X + L2. But yea, I agree with your post, the movement and support of AI team mates in this demo needs improving.
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so no different to pes2012 then cus the ai of your teammates was poor in that as well.we need better ai not so much the cpus but the ai of your team mates bettere player switching improved gks less scripting. so thats the basics that need fixing. never mind players having the ability to roll there foot over the ball whats the point if the basics are not fixed!!!
 
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Playing against the CPU is becoming tiring, as they're far too one dimensional. All they do is thump the ball up the middle and hope your CB fumbles about as you try to switch to him. Almost all the goals I've conceded are from a through ball I can't defend because my CBs have gone wandering, or the dodgy player switching strikes again. It's like playing against the LB + Y abusers on FIFA.
 
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Redhat said:
Playing against the CPU is becoming tiring, as they're far too one dimensional. All they do is thump the ball up the middle and hope your CB fumbles about as you try to switch to him. Almost all the goals I've conceded are from a through ball I can't defend because my CBs have gone wandering, or the dodgy player switching strikes again. It's like playing against the LB + Y abusers on FIFA.
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Yeah, but no point to go crazy over it. It will probably be better in demo2. Until then the PC-mods like jenkey's makes the CPU play a bit more normal.
 
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henrys hand said:
Yeah, but no point to go crazy over it. It will probably be better in demo2. Until then the PC-mods like jenkey's makes the CPU play a bit more normal.
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I suppose, they fixed quite a bit in Demo 2 for PES 2012 so we'll see. I enjoyed Yair's patches as they seemed to balance things out a bit more. It's not as if they don't try to exploit the wings, but more often than not, they'll abandon any attempt at build up play and go right for the jugular with a through ball. Not just certain teams either, (as I realize some teams utilize this sort of tactic) every team I play against. Tedious.
 
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henrys hand said:
It has nothing to do with the PC-mods, it's the game's inherent cheating that kicks in. But I wouldn't be bothered too much, if you will get the PC-version. nesa has already a patch ready that reduces the cheating considerably and does some other nifty things, he merely waits for the final version to give it that last touch and then releases it.

But for the console-versions it looks a bit dim for playing against the CPU, but who knows, maybe Konami changes something in that regard for demo2/final release.
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Cheating? People are seriously saying such things? LOL.

How many times people need to be told, not to play Top Player/Superstar? Of course there is higher value of rubber banding AI than on lower levels (on Regular/Professional such shit does not occur almost at all).

And yes, super AI dribbling was in PES 2012, but that happened on ALL difficulty levels due to broken game code and modders, even if they reduced this, never got rid of it, because that WAS a part of GAMEPLAY engine (and you need source code to rebuild/remove rubber band AI completely).

The problem is, without such tricks, game would get boring fast. FIFA is nice example... Of what may happen after few games on Legendary...

Go try that for a change, come back, post your views :P.
 
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pes is the better of the two for me no doubt. but the scripting in pes in pes2012 was diabolical just cheap nasty lazy coding.i no they had the earthquake so i partialally let them off for that one but pes2013 there is no excuse. seabass or whoever just fix the basics of the game first please asnd less scripting for god sake!!!!!!
 
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