Please let it go, suuuuupertalk....let's get back to talking about the game. Luckily I didn't get a chance to update the game. I'm going to wait till things settle down. Do you confirm cchopsland's description of the cpu passing the ball around in their half and better possession stats?
PES 2013 Discussion Thread
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Please let it go, suuuuupertalk....let's get back to talking about the game. Luckily I didn't get a chance to update the game. I'm going to wait till things settle down. Do you confirm cchopsland's description of the cpu passing the ball around in their half and better possession stats?
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
Captain Marvelous
The Bhoys
Order Winning Eleven 2013 from Playasia
Yeah, I'm beginning to get short of words to describe Konami's incompetence.
I would like to have J-League too. Why couldn't they include??
Also, it's unacceptable to have only one language commentary - I've owned versions from EU and US and it featured many languages that I played around with. It was great for immersion if you were playing a BAL career and you changed from Italian to Spanish according to the country you played in, and so on. And this time around I really wanted to play with Brazilian Portuguese commentaries, but the UK version comes only with bloody Jim Beglin...
It would be so easy to fix this. I hate to compare, but Konami leaves me with little choice: FIFA allowed us to download on the PSN/Xbox Live the commentary we wanted as DLC. Is it really so hard to do?
As for the DLC with transfers, that's right: it completely screws up your Edit data. So if you spent time creating players and editing teams... back to the drawing board, fellas!
This is one of the main reasons why I barely played the game up until now. It's useless to have Option Files and edit stuff before they release something that should have come with the game in the first place.
Of f*#$ Konami
I loved the we demo, and telling the truth i have some knowledge about the language.....but the knowledge i have dont give enough confidence on buying the game.
Point is i am extremley disappointing with Konami i am a huge fan of j-league football and i really dont understand why on earth the rest of the world version will not have these league, there's not one single reason.
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Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Well I've only played a few matches but the first, I had 54% of the ball, the second was an even 50/50 which I've found to be rare, so maybe there is something in that idea. Either way the game feels just that fraction more finished. I'm on Top Player so it's well possible that the CPU keeps the ball better. I just don't go there after my dodgy experience on superstar the other night, combining it with zero assist is a step too far for me! Top Player though feels nicely balanced, if you jockey and hold position the CPU will keep the ball really well on this version. I think that tackling is better, double tap tackles don't always result in a free kick now and the R1 lunge tackle is a bit harder to pull off, you have to slow down the attacker a lot more than before, which is a good thing because it forces you to jockey more, resulting in more even possession.
I'd say I've noticed two things in the patch - the first was that I used to feel frustrated when I broke free into space with the ball as I felt I couldn't get away from the defender and beat them for pace, like the CPU was kind of auto-catching me regardless of stats (with the obvious exception of the very fastest players). Now, I feel a tiny tweak has happened so that the CPU doesn't instantly run you down and catch up so much.
Secondly, it feels to me like a tiny tweak has been made to the first touch of the players. I think they take a very slightly heavier first touch, meaning you have to use trap a lot more. This is again a really, really minor change, but enough to make a positive difference. I noticed, playing as Chelsea, that their first touches felt slightly heavier and cumbersome than before. Only a fraction, but enough of a tiny tweak to make you think about how you control the ball etc.
So far it seems all good though
Not giant changes, you have to look for them as they are tiny tweaks but they're enough to make it slightly more enjoyable. Curdstar mentioned earlier on that it felt like a better game, seems he was right!
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NikoLiberty4
Premier League
I think it's because the license is only usable in Japan at this moment, and Konami aren't confident enough if bringing J.League to the rest of the world would be profitable. Let's be honest, very few people really care about that league, at least here in Europe.
goalgerd
File Maker
Can't see how adding them would be harmful.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
I still think that Top Player is by far the best setting, every time I try Superstar I concede unbelievably dodgy, glitchy goals. Literally this happens every time I move up to that difficulty. I said about it last night, and after some people praising the game since today's patch I decided to give it another go.
I mean, I posted that video last night of the Darren Bend 'wonder' goal where the ball suspended itself in the air so that he could bend his leg round in time to score, and I tried it tonight and similar bizarre stuff happened. I can't explain it.
I played Lyon v Galatasary on Top Player, just about held on to win 2-1 and was under intense pressure most of the second half once they pulled it back to 2-1. It was a great, fun game to play.
I then played the exact same fixture on Superstar, exact same settings across the board bar the difficulty (all players on green arrows for example). Within 40 minutes I'd let in 3 dodgy goals. The first was a bizarre own goal, my keeper parried a shot and the CPU made my defender punt the ball back against my keeper's face and into the net. 1-0. The second, a shot took two strange deflections before rolling over the line. 2-0. And the third, Galatasary played a ball over the top, and my keeper, without any instruction from me, ran at least 40 yards off his line, didn't reach the ball first, and they rolled it into an empty net.
It's really weird. I like the game on Superstar otherwise, I've realised that I think the CPU pressurises so much because I'm playing on zero assists and am still not great at it, which means my passes are slower at reaching their target, or not perfectly into the stride of my team mate's runs, which holds up the play and gives the CPU more time to close the ball down effectively. That, I can cope with by either just knocking the difficulty down or going to 1 or 2 bars assisted passing (which I wouldn't want to do now).
BUT, what I don't understand is how every time I switch to Superstar, almost every game, the CPU manages to regularly score comedy goals against me. On Top Player I've yet to see a goal that I even feel is remotely dubious, or felt cheated out of the game, but on Superstar I've had players scoring with their arm, the ball freezing in mid-air matrix-style for the CPU to reposition itself and volley home, my keeper rushing 40 yards out of his goal, and about 5 or 6 own goals in just half a dozen matches. On Top Player I've yet to concede a single own goal that I can remember, on Superstar I literally concede one every 3 or 4 matches, and they're all own goals that come about from random stuff like the CPU randomly making my player boot the ball which ricochets off another and in, or the CPU hitting a shot which hits a player in the face and then bounces off another team mate and into the net etc.
Really strange how this isn't happening for others. It's rare for me to play a game on Superstar where I haven't conceded at least one goal that you'd look at and say that's either a glitchy goal, comedy run of deflections or outright keeper gaffes.
Is it only me experiencing this? I can't find it a coincidence that I never conceded 'iffy' goals at all on Top Player, every goal I concede is down to good build up play from the CPU or my own error, then I move it up to Superstar and straight away my keeper decides to run 40 yards off his line without being told to do so, or my players start booting it against each other in the box etc etc.
So strange.
I mean, I posted that video last night of the Darren Bend 'wonder' goal where the ball suspended itself in the air so that he could bend his leg round in time to score, and I tried it tonight and similar bizarre stuff happened. I can't explain it.
I played Lyon v Galatasary on Top Player, just about held on to win 2-1 and was under intense pressure most of the second half once they pulled it back to 2-1. It was a great, fun game to play.
I then played the exact same fixture on Superstar, exact same settings across the board bar the difficulty (all players on green arrows for example). Within 40 minutes I'd let in 3 dodgy goals. The first was a bizarre own goal, my keeper parried a shot and the CPU made my defender punt the ball back against my keeper's face and into the net. 1-0. The second, a shot took two strange deflections before rolling over the line. 2-0. And the third, Galatasary played a ball over the top, and my keeper, without any instruction from me, ran at least 40 yards off his line, didn't reach the ball first, and they rolled it into an empty net.
It's really weird. I like the game on Superstar otherwise, I've realised that I think the CPU pressurises so much because I'm playing on zero assists and am still not great at it, which means my passes are slower at reaching their target, or not perfectly into the stride of my team mate's runs, which holds up the play and gives the CPU more time to close the ball down effectively. That, I can cope with by either just knocking the difficulty down or going to 1 or 2 bars assisted passing (which I wouldn't want to do now).
BUT, what I don't understand is how every time I switch to Superstar, almost every game, the CPU manages to regularly score comedy goals against me. On Top Player I've yet to see a goal that I even feel is remotely dubious, or felt cheated out of the game, but on Superstar I've had players scoring with their arm, the ball freezing in mid-air matrix-style for the CPU to reposition itself and volley home, my keeper rushing 40 yards out of his goal, and about 5 or 6 own goals in just half a dozen matches. On Top Player I've yet to concede a single own goal that I can remember, on Superstar I literally concede one every 3 or 4 matches, and they're all own goals that come about from random stuff like the CPU randomly making my player boot the ball which ricochets off another and in, or the CPU hitting a shot which hits a player in the face and then bounces off another team mate and into the net etc.
Really strange how this isn't happening for others. It's rare for me to play a game on Superstar where I haven't conceded at least one goal that you'd look at and say that's either a glitchy goal, comedy run of deflections or outright keeper gaffes.
Is it only me experiencing this? I can't find it a coincidence that I never conceded 'iffy' goals at all on Top Player, every goal I concede is down to good build up play from the CPU or my own error, then I move it up to Superstar and straight away my keeper decides to run 40 yards off his line without being told to do so, or my players start booting it against each other in the box etc etc.
So strange.
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Rantboy
International
- 27 December 2002
- Fluminense FC / Arsenal
What a freaking joke this... PES footie is already my secondary game, as I'm playing some Uncharted 3 and other single player games. So, around 11:30pm now, I decided to turn PES on to download the update, as I'm in no rush at all... much to my amusement, I see that Konami managed to fuck things up again big time.
My oh my! EPIC, EPIC Fail!
I used to buy the Asian version some 3 or 4 years ago and it did come with the option of English menus. I heard someone saying Konami took it out (typical!!) but I'm not sure. Maybe look into that?
I did it mostly for Jon Kabira, and for believing that back then gameplay was better on the Japanese version.
But now I'm like, whatever... I'll be probably playing this casually this year again. PES is losing a lot of space, all the fuck ups with this version certainly aren't endearing to me and I got less and less time to worry about a freaking video game that comes incomplete and demands so much time merely to be set up and edited.
My oh my! EPIC, EPIC Fail!
I used to buy the Asian version some 3 or 4 years ago and it did come with the option of English menus. I heard someone saying Konami took it out (typical!!) but I'm not sure. Maybe look into that?
I did it mostly for Jon Kabira, and for believing that back then gameplay was better on the Japanese version.
But now I'm like, whatever... I'll be probably playing this casually this year again. PES is losing a lot of space, all the fuck ups with this version certainly aren't endearing to me and I got less and less time to worry about a freaking video game that comes incomplete and demands so much time merely to be set up and edited.
Pere Ubu
Championship
- 29 October 2002
I think Konami, collectively, must be afflicted with whatever that psychological complex is called... you know the one where, however much pride you take in your actual work, ultimately you don't feel comfortable with success and subconsciously manufacture situations which stop you succeeding. This is the year they got the gameplay more-or-less right on next-gen, and it's also the year when FIFA went backwards in gameplay terms and proved to be an even buggier mess than usual, causing the patience of thousands of FIFA players to snap once and for all. This should have been the turning point, the moment PES began to win back its traditional fans and its old reputation as the only option for the serious football gamer.
Instead it's the year of magic boots, bananas, option files that don't work, no league mode, no community mode, no 2v2, lots of useful little options removed inexplicably, the worst online set-up in football game history... and then a transfer update which took a whole month to come out, made the game freeze and had to be pulled and replaced at an even later date, leaving people who had and people who hadn't downloaded it unable to play each other in the meantime.
Incidentally, anyone who thinks there have been changes made to the gameplay - are you really, absolutely sure? There may have been the odd line of code changed to stop x happening in situation y, but a change to the overall feel of the game? I certainly haven't noticed anything. Same route one tactics from the computer, same skewed possession stats, same everything really. The obvious stuff which needed patching (like goalkeepers not being able to clear the ball first time when you pass back to them) hasn't been touched. I'm far from sure that anything's changed at all, on the pitch.
Instead it's the year of magic boots, bananas, option files that don't work, no league mode, no community mode, no 2v2, lots of useful little options removed inexplicably, the worst online set-up in football game history... and then a transfer update which took a whole month to come out, made the game freeze and had to be pulled and replaced at an even later date, leaving people who had and people who hadn't downloaded it unable to play each other in the meantime.
Incidentally, anyone who thinks there have been changes made to the gameplay - are you really, absolutely sure? There may have been the odd line of code changed to stop x happening in situation y, but a change to the overall feel of the game? I certainly haven't noticed anything. Same route one tactics from the computer, same skewed possession stats, same everything really. The obvious stuff which needed patching (like goalkeepers not being able to clear the ball first time when you pass back to them) hasn't been touched. I'm far from sure that anything's changed at all, on the pitch.
After installing the patch, for some odd reason, Top Player is my preferred choice now. Everything you've said seems to be working for me on Top Player now. I'm liking it so far
Also, I just went to extra time and had quite some tearing happen, if that's what it's called. It's like when you're playing an online game a bit tearing happening because of latency. Anyone else experience this? On 360.
yeah, the game is much better for me. I used to play on +1speed buy after the patch its way too fast. 0 speed is definitively better balanced and faster than before. The game is more fluid for sure. However I can't update the rosters (communication error) This is crazy. 11 hours after the released patch I still have this error. I am in US.
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Issidingo
Guest
Superstar has become once again an AI dribbling fest.
Anyway i was expecting league mode back and maybe an extra camera.
Anyway i was expecting league mode back and maybe an extra camera.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
After installing the patch, for some odd reason, Top Player is my preferred choice now. Everything you've said seems to be working for me on Top Player now. I'm liking it so far
Also, I just went to extra time and had quite some tearing happen, if that's what it's called. It's like when you're playing an online game a bit tearing happening because of latency. Anyone else experience this? On 360.
I haven't experienced any tearing as yet thankfully.
Alright, well, I'm gonna make a decision on transfers. Do I edit some of them myself and go start my proper ML, or sit waiting potentially for weeks before Konami re-release the DLC? I presume they have to identify what's causing the freezing issues, fix it, then get the update ratified by Microsoft/Sony before re-uploading it. Given the simple roster updates took nearly a month.....
To be honest I'm not massively aware of transfers that take place outside the English league, only the major big name signings. I'm sure editing the Premier League teams and the biggest signings for the top European teams can't take that long to switch around, surely? Besides, once ML starts, people begin getting transferred around anyways. I'm not huge attention to detail kind of guy so only seeing the likes of Modric still at Spurs etc, the really obvious ones, would need changing. And beside, I suppose if I start ML say in the Portuguese Primeira Liga, I won't even notice player rosters from other leagues unless I played them in European matches......
I did just think I'll leave it to Konami to sort out and just wait it out, but I'm bored of the other modes now and seeing as we have no idea when this will be sorted, it might be the best solution.
Oh, and on another note, does anyone know if there's any way of removing the new widget from the top left corner of the screen?
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Benni
Banned
- 7 May 2012
I dont know why people complain about lack of offline community modes. Everyone plays online these days, well most people - thats where its at for gamers in 2012. I am glad Konami dont focus on old stuff like this.
Just hope 2v2 works? Can anyone confirm?
This game on Top Player is a joy. I love it. Best football game since PES 5.
I forgot that FIFA exists again just like the old days. I've had my fling with my mistress but have gone back to the wife!
Just hope 2v2 works? Can anyone confirm?
This game on Top Player is a joy. I love it. Best football game since PES 5.
I forgot that FIFA exists again just like the old days. I've had my fling with my mistress but have gone back to the wife!
I agree with those who say the patch seemed to have effected game play. After having played a 20+ matches on patch 1.01, the gameplay does feel quite different, and 2 things stood out to me:
- changes were made to formation behavior
- 0 assist long passing can find their targets a bit easier
I have a funny experience regarding formations. I had a few working ones that I was playing against RM and Juventus when I was on the demo2, PS3. They were well tested. Basically I only played against Juventus and RM with Barca, 100+ matches. I never switched teams, but tweaked the formations over the games, just so that I can see if I can understand what the formation settings would do.
When the full game was released, I carried on and kept playing the game using Barca against Juventus and RM. None of these formations I created in demo2 worked anymore. They were well noticeable. When on the ball, the players movement and coordinates are quite different. The team just wasn't clicking the same way at all, with offball players running/drifting into deadzones/corners. I have actually went back to test this out again on demo2 to confirm the difference. I ended up revamping them entirely on the full game.
Strangely enough, after today's patch, none of the formations I made in the full game in the last 2 weeks since release works the same anymore.
And as some others have said it, formations matter a great deal in this game (e.g. having a wrong formation will result in a ruthless butt kicking by the cpu), if there were indeed changes made to formation behavior, it may also be the reason why the game plays little different now, using same teams/formations etc.
Just my opinion, not sure if anyone else shares this experience.
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Rantboy
International
- 27 December 2002
- Fluminense FC / Arsenal
Your second paragraph sums up nicely the current state of affairs.
As for the patch/DLC cock up, I think it's something unprecedented. I shudder to think what will happen from now on - 2 or 3 weeks to fix the fix, or patch the patch? What a joke of a company they became!
I couldn't care less about the other things they want to fix. Just give me the bloody summer transfers so we can get on with ML - the only league mode those knobheads let us play this year!
Nobody wants to start a ML with outdated transfers now, do they?
Just the bloody transfers!! It isn't too much to ask. Any 12 year old boy can do this in a weekend. But for Konami it will be taking approximately 2 months!
Pisstakers!
I'm itching to produce another Hitler video - with Konami the material is endless!!
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Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
I've been trying to do that myself and I don't think there is. I also keep getting the register your online code pop-up window now. I don't play online Konami
h3li0
League 1
- 13 August 2008
Konami is for sure the most incompetent company nowadays, at least the Konami PES team.
Next year what will be the excuse? Will they say because of the new engine they are not used to it so the game as many flaws blablabla.
This is annoying, i only play online, and now i can´t because my data pack is incompatible, i dont have the data pack 2 as it was removed before i could download it.
Next year i don´t expect a good game, i "DEMAND" a good game with very good graphics, outstanding animations, outstanding colision and phisycs system and a great sound, less than this and i´m done with PES, this is the last one i have buyed, and the most annoying one even if its the one that plays best in this GEN
Next year what will be the excuse? Will they say because of the new engine they are not used to it so the game as many flaws blablabla.
This is annoying, i only play online, and now i can´t because my data pack is incompatible, i dont have the data pack 2 as it was removed before i could download it.
Next year i don´t expect a good game, i "DEMAND" a good game with very good graphics, outstanding animations, outstanding colision and phisycs system and a great sound, less than this and i´m done with PES, this is the last one i have buyed, and the most annoying one even if its the one that plays best in this GEN
ThomasGOAL
Retired Footballer
- 15 March 2003
Yes works, but... on fixed cursor ONLY
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YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
What's the best 'Gameplay Settings' using Jenkey's tool then?
hardly, pes is a great game if you want offline 1 v 1, 2 v 2, or against the cpu in ML and other modes
Well I'm on console so I can only recommend you try Top Player on 0 passing.
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
Both games are good but flawed. That being said I can't stop playing PES 2013 since the patch was released yesterday. There seems to be a fluidity and freedom to the game now that I hadn't felt before the patch and haven't felt from a PES game in a while.
borrowed pes2013 from a m8 while he is on holiday, cannot believe they are charging full price for a game with less modes, under maintenace more times than british rail. games crashing cus they haven't tested there data packs properly.game play wise it is good in certain areas, but the problems still remain and have not been fixed regarding gks, still shit on 1v1. ai of your team mates still no reaction to loose balls still standing still or backing away. and player switching only had a few games but have had lots of instances, where two players near ball game selects neither and both back away from loose ball. just what have these two guys working in his dads garage been doing for a full year.
at present i cannot justify paying £40 for this which is pes2012 with a patch. they seriously need to get there finger out.
how many will be pre ordering next years version after this years little suprise no league mode but hey lets not tell em let them buy it first fiasco.
a very disgrunteled pes customer who has bought every version bar this years!!
at present i cannot justify paying £40 for this which is pes2012 with a patch. they seriously need to get there finger out.
how many will be pre ordering next years version after this years little suprise no league mode but hey lets not tell em let them buy it first fiasco.
a very disgrunteled pes customer who has bought every version bar this years!!
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Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Still absolutely no comment on the situation from Konami, barring some 'rep' on their Facebook page saying that they are having 'continuing issues'. Oh dear.
Does anyone think that the engine is so old and creaking that it's now causing major issues? It's just a guess. I mean they manage to make the gameplay the best it's been this gen, but as a trade off loads of stuff has gone missing (afternoon matches, game modes, even the number of music tracks in the game have disappeared from 20 down to 8). And now there are so many issues with data pack updates, I'm just wondering if the old engine is completely shafted now.
I say that in massive and clearly false hope that the new engine next year will offer a game with brilliant physics, lighting, AI, and with the game's architecture sufficiently modern to be able to cope with all those things AND keep stuff like game modes and game options in place from game to game. Maybe the crappy engine has meant that they have needed to remove stuff to facilitate others?
Misguided optimism maybe.
Does anyone think that the engine is so old and creaking that it's now causing major issues? It's just a guess. I mean they manage to make the gameplay the best it's been this gen, but as a trade off loads of stuff has gone missing (afternoon matches, game modes, even the number of music tracks in the game have disappeared from 20 down to 8). And now there are so many issues with data pack updates, I'm just wondering if the old engine is completely shafted now.
I say that in massive and clearly false hope that the new engine next year will offer a game with brilliant physics, lighting, AI, and with the game's architecture sufficiently modern to be able to cope with all those things AND keep stuff like game modes and game options in place from game to game. Maybe the crappy engine has meant that they have needed to remove stuff to facilitate others?
Misguided optimism maybe.