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well then we shouldnt talk about boots, menüs, kits, modes, graphics, chants, licences, etc but only gameplay....i care about what sh*t goes in the background, it gives atmosphere like anything else in the game, last year was a disaster it was even worse then the 4 bit songs back in the iss days, a real let down after 2011, 10 and 09
 
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right, because in real life a player who is very smart on the pitch can't possibly follow tactical instructions :PIG:

im not getting into this again, its a very simple to understand and ive argued it on here before....

simply: tactics and player abilites go hand in hand.



where is your team shape? you think football is all about where you place your 11 dots on the pitch? that is 20% of the battle... is rest is about player instructons within that system.



this makes no sense. so because we are controlling players that means it doesnt matter what tactics we have? :PIG::PIG:

just imagine having FM like player and team intstructions in PES... then watching the AI vs AI play out those instructions in a barca vs Real match.... how good would that look? to see iniesta and xavi moving into triangles constantly, to see messi roaming about on his own in the middle just waiting around... to see pedro constantly looking for the inside pass.... for benzema to be on the shoulder when alonso has the ball waiting for a long ball.... now let a human control of the teams, AI vs player.... thats how fliud everything should be.. and its all down to tactics


You should ignore him
 
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eh? I thought the soundtrack is the best it's been, JUNGLE! Definitely more western EDM then the hyper japanese techno we're used to. Much prefer it to whatever chart music EA pays for.
 
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I doubt Adidas or Nike would give a shit to be honest, their shiny new distinctive boots will be appearing in a game aimed at their key demographic, displayed across the screen at regular intervals. It's just how advertising works. If you see something enough times you'll be far more likely to pick it when you're looking for a product in a shop. Products are designed to work their way into the consumers' subconscious.

To that end, if more people buy a pair of expensive Adidas boots off the back of a game ramming the visual site of those boots down people's throats, they don't give a monkeys whether Messi, Ronaldo or whoever else is seen wearing them in-game. Remember, it's going to be up to the user to choose those boots, and then choose who wears them in-game. The whole act is a giant marketing excercise. Once done in-game, the user will be über familiar with those boots as a real life product. It's kind of genius.

This is what's wrong with gaming these days. As soon as it became mainstream the money men got their claws into it and started calling the shots.

Fucking dire.

I miss the innocence and purity of the Amiga days.
 
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eh? I thought the soundtrack is the best it's been, JUNGLE! Definitely more western EDM then the hyper japanese techno we're used to. Much prefer it to whatever chart music EA pays for.

I really loved the soundtrack of PES 2011, imho by far the best in any football-game.

But considering this new ML, I suggest Konami adds this song to the soundtrack:

http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2568250&postcount=6299
 
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well then we shouldnt talk about boots, menüs, kits, modes, graphics, chants, licences, etc but only gameplay....i care about what sh*t goes in the background, it gives atmosphere like anything else in the game, last year was a disaster it was even worse then the 4 bit songs back in the iss days, a real let down after 2011, 10 and 09

Personally I couldn't care less about all that. I'm buying the game for the football. Everything else is secondary. But let's say I do care for a second there, I don't see how music goes in the same category as boots, menus, kits, modes, graphics, chants, licenses. These are related to the football still. Soundtrack isn't. Why do you care when you can turn them off and have your own anyway?
 
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Personally I couldn't care less about all that. I'm buying the game for the football. Everything else is secondary. But let's say I do care for a second there, I don't see how music goes in the same category as boots, menus, kits, modes, graphics, chants, licenses. These are related to the football still. Soundtrack isn't. Why do you care when you can turn them off and have your own anyway?

then why care about the other stuffs...if u can insert your own kits and tweek the gameplay and so on? whats the point of the topic? :D
 
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If is a good game i will buy it anyways, even if the soundtrack is made only by vuvuzelas . I mean it .
 
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Maybe the thread should be renamed to PES 2013 Gameplay Discussion :P

The soundtrack used to contain goods and bads (there's always shitty world music on it) but in PES 2012 it was 100% shite!
Anyway, I think we can still edit our playlist in-game, right?

Anyway, speaking about sound effects now. I'm sure it has been mentioned before, but I can't help but mention again the unrealistic sound of the ball hitting the post. It's ridiculous! It's nothing like the real sound. Sounds more like a wooden crate smashing on the ground :LOL:

Note that even when you hit a shot against the lower part of the post, where it was supposed to vibrate less and make less noise, the sound is loud and too open, instead of a more muffled ringy sound that real posts make.

This is just one more thing they've been getting wrong since I can remember, every year the same thing!
 
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Friday is meant to be the day we know the release date.
Why all the secrecy? Its stupid.
 
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Why there is no control over the goalkeepers? Where is goalkeeper cursor in the settings. I remember in Ps2 days or PSP pes 2012 I could easy control keepers by holding triangle and moving the stick. Now, moving the stick doesn't work. When you hold triangle keepers run towards the ball like idiots. KONAMI GIVE ME KEEPER CURSOR ON in the game just like in PS2 games.
 
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LOL. The FIFA talk is aimed at me I suppose.

So maybe muppets should learn how to read? I never said FIFA gameplay is better or recommended to play it.

I said that Career Mode on FIFA is better and if you argue about it, you're a tool. Really. It's the best, second to FM actually, experience of being true manager. Sure it may be lacking in some areas yet, but it's miles ahead of competition (Pro Evo in that regard looks absolutely rubbish in comparison!).

I will never recommend any game to anyone. Each to their own here. ;)

I just know what I will play if those ridiculous ways of KONAMI don't get changed. That's all.

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The most heartbreaking thing KONAMI and PES Team now did is bringing simulation gameplay, the best gameplay in PRO EVO since PES5, which won't show it's glory in most played game modes. Because those are broken!

Seriously wtf?! The simulation of real life should be brought into ML. To go hand in hand with gameplay mechanics.

But nah, we will make fantasy stuff now. THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE?!

As to someone saying Nike/Adidas wouldn't care about players contracted to them wearing different sports company boots. Well, they like hell would be!

They pay MILLIONS of dollars for PROMOTION of their BOOTS to certain players they feel are worthy of showcase. Plus most of them are custom made (Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi for example :)).

That is contract breaching however, you look at it, isn't it?

Stupid decisions, but we got to live with them up till now.

Now KONAMI took that one step they never should have. The disappointment is so visible in people who wanted to buy this game for Master League experience with new gameplay... But can't because of KONAMI breaking their crown mode. Ridiculous.

Plus I agree with everything Matty_17 said about tactical depth and individual instructions. That would be massive content added to the game :D.

Cheerio! 2nd demo won't be coming today either :(. God damn it :(. PC users are so screwed :(.
 
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Agree. Lack of injuries is one of my pet hates with the game.

More frequently recurring and longer injuries would add a couple of important elements to the game.
1: I'd have to use my whole squad more in ML to cover for injuries.
2: I could target danger opponents and try to knock them out of the game. Bad sportsmanship but its a real tactic. It wouldn't always work anyway and I risk yellow and red cards.
3: I'd have to be more careful about making all 3 subs too early, with the increased threat of a player getting injured who could not be subbed.
4: Injury rating would become more important when buying players

Konami don't do injuries well:
- Out of 1177 players in the COPA 2012 mode, 1128 were given Injury rating A (players who will almost never get injured). This shows that very little research goes into injury proneness of players, especially for smaller teams. And instead of randomising between A, B and C most players just get put on A.
- Even good teams are not always researched well. Brad Friedel has made 307 consecutive PL appearances but last year Nokami gave him the worst injury rating.
- If you do get an injury it's hardly ever long term, mostly 1 or 2 weeks.

I force myself to get the worst athletic trainer to increase the number of injuries and the worst doctor to increase injury length but this way I miss out on some important benefits of a good athletic trainer.

To those who say injuries don't really happen that often, just look at the last round of Premier League fixtures. In 9 games, 9 players were forced to be subbed through injury. Taking 1 week is a small sample yes, but you'll see similar numbers of injuries most weeks. Currently the 20 PL clubs have an average of 3.4 players injured each.

Hope it will be better this year but of course all we know so far is that you can buy an item to accelerate your player's injury recovery :TD:

this, exactly.
I think there should be no 'A' rating for injuries, only B & C.
I understand it might be bad sportsmanship or even an accident, but injuries do happen IRL.

unfortunately people seemed more worried about not having shiny boots by default on a single game mode.
 
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Fuxks sake again with thee name calling. Bloody hell can't we have a debate without insulting someone?! Seriously guys this place is becoming a play park.

@info sorry mate seem to be of those people that pretend to like a game then try and convince others its broken. ALL the game modes are not brokem Konami added a feature to ML GET OVER IT

Its amazing how all the people that don't really like PES are jumping on the bandwagon. Seriously 8 pages of the same discussion?! Is EA paying monthly or by post?

And where the fuck is my PC demo

Rant over
 
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Fuxks sake again with thee name calling. Bloody hell can't we have a debate without insulting someone?! Seriously guys this place is becoming a play park.

Well i simply said Ignore him and he called me Ewok. I mean what gives. This guy is blatantly being a douche and when i retaliate i am in the wrong.
 
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this, exactly.
I think there should be no 'A' rating for injuries, only B & C.
I understand it might be bad sportsmanship or even an accident, but injuries do happen IRL.

unfortunately people seemed more worried about not having shiny boots by default on a single game mode.

As for the boots, you're totally missing the point.
Most of us complaining about it wouldn't give two fucks about what boots players wear in the game. But from the moment we assign some boot and it magically increases +5 in players attributes, that's where I have a problem.

Maybe you don't care about offline Master League, but many of us do.
 
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Little bit of topic guys, isn't it
No need to insult anyone (Matty_17 especially) to get a constructive debate
 
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this, exactly.
I think there should be no 'A' rating for injuries, only B & C.
I understand it might be bad sportsmanship or even an accident, but injuries do happen IRL.

unfortunately people seemed more worried about not having shiny boots by default on a single game mode.

I totally agree with B and C ratings but with konami they only do 1-2 weeks injuries no short injuries less than a week, very binary.

In fifa the way fatigue can cause slight injuries is cool but its over done a bit.

Maybe if they gave us sliders.
 
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Little bit of topic guys, isn't it
No need to insult anyone (Matty_17 especially) to get a constructive debate

i didnt insult anyone... i was stating my opinion... nothing is wrong with that as stated from another ref on this site... i guess you guys dont follow the same rules ?
 
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it may be lost in translation but konami need to implement far more tactics. far far more indepth tactical board, like football manager, so we can give team instructions and individual player instructions. thats how teams will act differently and how to make AI have unlimited variety- through a proper tactics board!

has no one else noticed theyve seemingly taken away mental stats? positioning, work rate etc. wtf??? theyre promoting individuality but are missing huge parts of how players behave on the pitch.

Totally agree with needing individual instructions back, the team instructions as they are seem OK to me though. I do miss the indvidual settings, the attacking arrows and defensive settings, you could make some interesting things happen using those. I do appreciate what they are trying to do by not having them but the flexibilty was nice and at times necessary.
I dont play Football Manager, could you elaborate on its tactics system please.
 
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I don't care what people think, but for me if all players wear black boots in ML mode from the start and there are random assignments from the CPU players it would ruin my ML. Seems shallow I guess, but for me it just ruins the realism of the whole thing. Hopefully Yair can sort this out or I won't be playing much, if any, ML.
 
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Well, if what Adam said is any closer to truth (ie. this whole thing is so tightly integrated into ML that KONAMI can't patch it), the only hope for us is someone convert Football Life from PES 2012 to fit to PES 2013.

Massive task and would probably take LOTS of time to do.
 
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