I certainly hope it isn't the e3 build. Why would people want to see anything old when the preview build is out and played by some already?
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I certainly hope it isn't the e3 build. Why would people want to see anything old when the preview build is out and played by some already?
Lons
AMIGA 1200 HARDCORE FAN!
- 15 December 2007
Guys switch on youtube and compare FIFA WC 2010 and PES 2011 video. For me animations are very similar. FIFA have only more varied. Seriously i don't see a lot of differences.
Then they're not really similar are they ?
I most certainly can give a definitive opinion.
Sure if it plays well then great, but 50% of my experience is seeing my control inputs expressed on screen. 360 dribbling is useless to a blind man surely?
If I make a smooth control input, what is wrong with wanting that expressed on the screen? Isn't that the point of high fidelity analogue controllers so that you have the definition to move how you want, but it would be odd if that isn't conveyed on the screen proportionately?
I don't want to test it, I want a game that allows me to move as I want, and I need eyes to do that and the screen to back up my intentions.
Please bold both words because they come together. There's a difference between an opinion and a definitive opinion.
360 is movement. You input movements using your analogue stick for "360". Meaning you should physically play it. That's how you can tell if it's well implemented or not. Not with your eyes. If the player does go to the directions you wanted him to then you can say it certainly has more freedom or directions or whatever, but if the player doesn't, then we have a problem, and we can moan.
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klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
Lons
AMIGA 1200 HARDCORE FAN!
- 15 December 2007
Why? They are definitely. Varied don't mean better level. Animations are in the similar level in FIFA and PES.
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No its ok thanks, I'm smart enough to tell it is your opinion and not your dog's.
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BillyBoy
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I really dont know what people expected over 1 year. This looks like a huge step in the right direction. It clearly needs some polish but there is lots to be positive about far more than there is to be negative about thats for sure.
The graphics are absolutely amazing, most notably the player models, kits, lighting and grass as is the camera angle. The tactics system looks great. The passing looks much improved and there is more use of space. The animations look far better than any previous PES however there are some areas that need to be fleshed out more. I also like the replays and the national anthem.
The graphics are absolutely amazing, most notably the player models, kits, lighting and grass as is the camera angle. The tactics system looks great. The passing looks much improved and there is more use of space. The animations look far better than any previous PES however there are some areas that need to be fleshed out more. I also like the replays and the national anthem.
Lons
AMIGA 1200 HARDCORE FAN!
- 15 December 2007
I'm not sure what I have done wrong, I have been polite, constructive and posted my opinion on a forum.
I'm a little confused, I would of PM'd this to you but there is no PM option when I select your name.
I don't want to argue with a mod over my opinion when quite frankly it was a fair and balanced one.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
If it's released as i is, I'll be ok, better than PES 2010 and an improvement.
If the game is ironed out however i think this could be the best football game ever as long as the tactical depth of PES 2010 is still there
For the first time, strangely after not a 'great' video i''m excited about PES 2011 . Before i was cautious, now I'm looking forward to it!
If the game is ironed out however i think this could be the best football game ever as long as the tactical depth of PES 2010 is still there
For the first time, strangely after not a 'great' video i''m excited about PES 2011
. Before i was cautious, now I'm looking forward to it!In this department the competition had a HUGE problem....Lets see if the design criminals will stay at EA for another year...
romagnoli
Misses Retri
- 7 August 2004
To clarify, I meant it looked like real life when not moving. When it moved, it snapped back to game fairly sharply at points.
And of course you can tell if players move with 360(ish) freedom with your eyes. The only caveat is that the human player might be using the dpad but the CPU doesn't seem any freer.
Edit: Lami, you're a mod FFS. Leave responses like that to the idiots.
And of course you can tell if players move with 360(ish) freedom with your eyes. The only caveat is that the human player might be using the dpad but the CPU doesn't seem any freer.
Edit: Lami, you're a mod FFS. Leave responses like that to the idiots.
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Wilko22
Confusions Familiar
- 19 March 2003
- Team
- Manchester United
Seriously, no idea what some of you are getting wound up about.
Think it's been mainly positive in here from what I've seen. Think the majority of the criticisms have been accurate too (IMO
), doesn't mean they're game breaking, but if you're aiming for the perfect football game, they should be taken on board. Get a suggestion thread up if you're that bothered by it in here.
Think it's been mainly positive in here from what I've seen. Think the majority of the criticisms have been accurate too (IMO
), doesn't mean they're game breaking, but if you're aiming for the perfect football game, they should be taken on board. Get a suggestion thread up if you're that bothered by it in here.
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Don't mind what people expect over any period. Problem is when people like to give their opinion as forced and solid fact. Couldn't care less if its positive or negative opinion, as long as it's in its place.
This forum isn't for me.
I made sensible and considered responses, wasn't rude once. Was positive but subjective.
I stated reasonable opinion and get lamented from a mod for what?!
Please delete my account. I just came to talk football games and having no real experience with PES thought here would be a good place to start.
Jesus.
I have a question why dont you want any statistics to play role? In passing that is. Do you want ferdinand to pass as you like and where you like?? Same as Xavi?
No insult just a question.
Yes, obviously you can tell. But what you can't do is be 100% sure. What if it moves in more directions, but limited to 16 for example? Surely I can't be positive unless I play and test it.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
Well it's clear what your doing wrong!
You haven't played the game yet you write off PES 2011's 360 degree dribbling animation as useless and say you have a definitive opinion?
What so everyone must see the world as you do because you 'feel' it won't be inch perfect for you liking. Sorry but you simply can't write a ggame off until you play it!
From what you said it sounds as if FIFA is perfect for you since you want, FIFA 10 gives you the freedom you seek, you can move in any direction with great response times in 360 degrees. OK that's my advice or should i say definitive advice
romagnoli
Misses Retri
- 7 August 2004
Christ.
Dr Force
Golden Boot Winner
Over on the other board, there is a topic about manual play. I believe that this choice of control choice should put the control 100% in the players hands.
If you introduce stats in the the manual equation you are creating a hybrid.
With manual passing the onus is on you doing the right things, direction, power and reading the play. My issue is that Ferdinand shouldn't be attempting the sort of pass that needs AI intervention and stats being applied in manual control.
Basically, Ferdinand position on the pitch should dictate the sort of pass you want to make, if you think you are accurate enough to hit a 30 yard high ball and can aim accurately then you should try it. That sort of pass doesnt need error on manual because the odds of getting it spot on are very low.
Similarly I would expect every player to be able to make a 10 yard pass to a player, the technique maybe different but the outcome the same.
Under pressured or ambitious pass situations, the concentration and accuracy needed are difficult to do on a controller, or get the right power etc so again there is no real need for stats.
For Shooting, positioning and tackling stats should play apart but in open manual play when you get down to the mechanics, I see it as an oxymoron to specify manual and then have the CPU do some of the work.
Well it's clear what your doing wrong!
You haven't played the game yet you write off PES 2011's 360 degree dribbling animation as useless and say you have a definitive opinion?
What so everyone must see the world as you do because you 'feel' it won't be inch perfect for you liking. Sorry but you simply can't write a ggame off until you play it!
From what you said it sounds as if FIFA is perfect for you since you want, FIFA 10 gives you the freedom you seek, you can move in any direction with great response times in 360 degrees. OK that's my advice or should i say definitive advice
I have an opinion and its definitive until I see otherwise, that I formed from viewing the vid with my own eyes.
You also appear to have a definitive opinion.
Oh do be serious. Shall I reiterate, when I post I do so from my perspective so "clearly [how I see it]" [sic] is reference to how I feel about it.
As I said would it be better if I just leave, or start all my posts "IMO"
I asked this once before and something to do with my dog came up so either I am not articulating myself well enough of there is some hypersensitivity going on.
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
People shouldn't make assumptions from what they see on a video. You should either trust the word of "previewers" or wait for the demo and try it for yourselves. Just then you can be sure about anything.