Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA
I played the PES2009 ps3 demo yesterday. I was satisfied with the game. It's more balanced, no more, or not so common, speeding bullets ripping through an otherwise fast defense.
Miles better than 08 imo.
just my two cents.
Oh, no no no... Big mistake.
You cannot at all be satisfied with the game. If you are doing this, you are downright:
a) blind
b) a fanboy
c) stupid
d) a liar
Be prepared for the flood of posts that will label you that.
It is always like this, every year.
The funny thing, though, just like in PES, are the small details:
a) the random users who are always like vultures monitoring this thread, and as soon as someone makes a good comment about PES, they immediately try to make you admit that you are wrong and biased.
b) the fact that people who actually enjoy PES and don't like FIFA will get bashed here, and as such, this time of the pre-season every year, will stop posting here. It's not that they can't face the supposed disgrace that the game has become. It's just that their time has come to play the game, and not waste more time in futile discussions, because it is not other people's opinions that is going to change their point of view - nor do they try to force others into enjoying PES. As such, the thread will have pages full of people criticizing PES. It's funny, yet feels like home :lol:
And the big details:
If you go through FIFA's forum, and FIFA's thread, you'll see that there are shitloads of people (in the same meaning that there are "shitloads of people" in PES threads who hate PES - i.e. a vocal minority) complaining about bugs and misbehaviors all similar to the ones they criticize PES, and the same people who choose to overlook them are the ones who are the first to point them out in PES.
It all boils down to the following, hard, truth:
a) People look for - and get - different things from games. Each one to its own. They will not change their opinion because others hammer them every time they can. People can like both games, as well there's people who will only like PES or FIFA.
There's no need to defend your opinion to others - I mean, none of us should be as insecure as to feel that they have to justify their tastes to others. Hell, if that'd be the case, you'd be posting on internet forums about girls before dating them. As long as you'll try to defend your opinions, and take what others say personally, you'll just be feeding their ego. There are people who are clearly in this thread for the sole purpose of trolling - and I am not talking about BwA Spectre, who, at least, even though he doesn't like PES this year, is mature enough in his posts to support his reasoning, and respects that people have different opinions than him. Other posts, however, such as the one insulting SaintScott, are simply ridiculous and childish. The poster felt insulted that SaintScott keeps defending PES this year, and insults him back. I can't even begin to describe this reaction... As a friend of mine says (I believe it's a quote from a book or a movie), "I can't fart loud enough to express my opinion".
b) FIFA is a good game. There's no denying it. Technologically speaking, it's on a different level than PES in some areas. This is my opinion. And yet, this doesn't make it a game that I prefer to PES. I've been playing FIFA for a while, as well as the PES09 demo. I started enjoying FIFA for what it was, but then there's these things that bring me out of the whole experience, and make me lose the purpose of playing game after game. I will play it while I'm enjoying it. The bugs most people talk about do not trouble me yet, and I have fun with it for now. I don't see anyone who likes PES coming here and starting calling me names for appreciating FIFA. It is not personal, but we who like PES seem to be the few who understand it.
c) PES is a good game, and if you take it for what it is, you'll enjoy it. I'm having fun with the demo every day, and what can I really say? It's PES, for the good things and for the bad things. Both games have good things about them, and bad things about them. I knew what I was expecting from PES. I am happy with it. I seriously believe that it will keep me hooked longer than FIFA. If someone feels insulted by it, please post.
And, to Kobashi: yes, I do feel that the Become a Legend AI is pretty decent this year. You can play fixed player in the demo and make up your mind about it. For me, it suits me pretty well. It is different than FIFA's - FIFA's BAP AI is like cock-teasing, while PES's one is like fondling :lol: None of them are perfect, but they are good for what they are. FIFA's BAP AI circulates the ball well from one end to the other, then the defense intercepts the ball and its the other team's turn to do the opposite. Sometimes there's the odd shot, but it is frequent to have games where the CPU team doesn't do any shot on goal.
PES's AI is different. It might have more pointless battles between players, and the ball might be stuck in the midfield for a while, but there are more successful attacks and more shots on goal - not goals, mind you.
It is all a matter of taste. None is great.
About those fantastic previews you mentioned, you surely can't be talking about the
only preview who bad-mouthed "Become a Legend" because the AI never passed them the ball, and there was no button to do so...
Seriously? Can you trust a preview that says that there's no button to pass the ball back to your player? Do you honestly feel they gave the mode a chance? And as far as I have been experiencing, they do pass me the ball more frequently than any other year, without me asking the ball.
It is only a letdown if you're going to set unreal expectations for it - but then again, so should FIFA's one be. Unless you are pre-determined to praise one game despite its flaws, and criticize another, despite its good points.
Only one week to go.
Best regards,
Paulo Tavares
So now we're back to square one, if that. Perhaps square 0 or -1. 
