Re: PES 2009 News, Discussion and Rumours
Rob92 said:
we just have differing opinions on the two football titles. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that eh?
Good morning, gents.
Definitely, mate. I am all for agreeing to disagree.
I don't really mind criticism to PES, as long as it is thought out and not bashing it for the sake of it.
What really gets on my nerves is when people (and by "people" I am really talking about "everyone", not Rob92 specifically) try to force others into agreeing with them - especially on the criticisms. That's just wrong, and contributes in no way to the discussion, leading only to pages of
a: X is crap.
b: X looks fine to me.
a: oh, come on. you can see that it is the most unrealistic thing.
b: seriously, I'm happy with it. I can't see why you keep mentioning it.
a: here's a video. why do you always react like that to criticism?
b: it is a lousy video. I can's see a thing there. if you look closer, you can see that X is not so crap.
a: well, it is not crap when Z happens, but when I see it on a real screen, most of the time it looks crap.
b: why do you keep mentioning this? can't you go bash something else?
a: why can't you take logically based criticism?
If you look back, this is the pattern here - not necessarily with user A, B or C, but with lots of users.
User a stated his opinion that "a is crap". Fine by me. User b stated his opinion that "X looks fine by me".
Afterwards, if goes down into a spiral of a trying to make b agree with him, and it ends up in nothing except endless posts revolving around this discussion. And I'm just counting the posts that these two make - surely there are other users that will get in the middle and agree with one or another, and a single post there with new bits of info.
I can accept that you (and by you I mean the plural, as in everyone):
- find the keepers to be weak,
- that you find the defenders to not keep track of their positions,
- that you feel that the ball doesn't bounce correctly,
- that the players' animations are terrible
- that the game going back to PES5 or 3 or whatever for inspiration is a step in the wrong direction
- that the ball stops dead at the feet of the player,
- that you criticize the game for not having analog movement
- that you dislike the game's passing methods for not being flexible enough in what concerns precision
- that you feel that there's no point in having the CL license if the teams aren't licensed
- that you criticize the Master League for being fantasy, and not a full-blown manager career simulator as in FIFA
just to name a few.
What I don't like - and really gets on my nerves - is when this turns into a monologue because of people trying to make other people agree with them on such points.
While I accept that you have different opinions - and many here do - you also have to accept that there may be people (like me, for instance) who:
- find the keepers to be adequate, and don't have a problem with them
- find that the defenders' positions are realistic enough, and hope that they can be fine-tuned in the formation screen
- feel that the way the ball bounces is fine as it is
- feel that the player animations are not a problem as they are
- like that the game is going back to PES 5 or 3 or whatever to get inspiration
- feel that the way the ball moves while dribbling is not a problem at all
- don't really mind that the game still has 8-direction movement
- are ok with the current passing method
- like the idea of having a licensed Champions League in the game, no matter what clubs are licensed
- like the game for the Master League exactly NOT being a full-blown manager career simulator as in FIFA, and just asimple mode where you get a team of nobodys and try to lead them to the top by playing games, evolving the players, and trading players without much fuss.
Bear in mind that this does NOT mean that such a person (once again, like me) doesn't think that
- the keepers can still be improved
- the players positions could be improved
- the ball bounce could be fine-tuned
- the players animations could be re-done
- going back to PES5 is more of a safe decision than necessarily a forward-looking one
- feels that the ball movement during dribbles could be improved
- the option of 360º analog movement would be an interesting addition
- the option of full-analog passing would be good for the game
- having all the CL teams licensed would improve the CL experience
- having a full-blown manager career simulator in PES would be a great new mode (even though it would NOT be the master league, but a mode apart - I do like the Master League format as it is)
What I feel is that many people have a problem with agreeing to disagree, and try to force their view on others.
If you keep on trying to make other people agree with you on everything, it will all go off-rails once again, aye?
Once again, this post is not directed at Rob92 personally; it begun as an answer to his post, but it led me to get arguments from many others that I remembered along this thread.
Peace then?
Best regards,
Paulo Tavares
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