I did a quick search but couldn't find them. There are pics from FIFA08 where you see player heads in wireframe mode. And they are complex 3d. That's where my statement came from.
, though non are true 1080p HD I did find it better through the HDMI cable but still not great...
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This is not really true, i am a designer and i do some minor 3d work, i can tell you that producing a texture from good reference photos its quite easy, lets say that if you are good it will take you about 30 min.
On the other hand producing a 3d mesh like the fifa faces its quite hard, to do something like that a professional modeler will take about 3 hous at least(i will need a whole day to do something not perfect
You see the diference, lets say you have 1000 3d model:
1000x30min each texture =500 hours
1000x3 hours each 3d model=3000 hous
And after that you can't really reuse the texture of a different 3d nodel, even if you adjust the uv coordinates of the new 3d model to match the old texture you are going to get lots of artifacts, at least you have to re-edit the texture.
If PES will ever starts to use 3d faces as detailed as fifa they will encounter a lot of problems and you can bet that when they start a lot of faces will be awful.
Oh and no, Pes faces are not technologically more advanced than FIFA's ones, like super Mario 64 face with less polygons is not technologically more advanced than super Mario Galaxy face with more polygons.
Said that i don't think we really need that complexity for player faces, its a soccer game, we spend most of the game with a far camera and when we are able to recognize the player from distance we are good to go.
So the really important thing to me are Animations and actually animations are the biggest problem of PES
THE NEW ENGINE??
a think there is a misunderstanding on this forum, a lot of people think that the overhaul Seabass promised is going to include a new 3d engine. He never said that.
This is already the new 3d engine for this generation of console started with PES6 on xbox360 like, if i remember right, Winning eleven 5 was using the first PS2 engine that they are still using on PS2.
Ok i wrote a lot but really i only want Winning eleven 6 FE in HD with a good netcode
By the way, the important things to me are not being discussed by fans or even in the podcast, sometimes the analysis of gameplay is just "it's better", "feels sweet", "slower" and by the videos, there's nothing new in the game (you don't need to play to know that because it looks exactly the same as in the past 5 years in terms of gameplay mechanics and controls).
I would like to hear what people really think about the following (I tried many times in the thread but hardcore fans will simply ignore it):
- Invest some money in Mocaping real players. Why there's no good mocaping in the game, it's as if they stucked in manual animation for a lot of things. It's because it's cheaper?
- Having more analogic control over the action. The R3 manual pass in pes is a joke and has been for years. Is it possible that the engine is so stretched by now that a decent manual analogic (more than 16 directions at least, please) passing would overflow AI and other routines?
- Having better AI positioning and decision-making (I don't want to see CBs running away for no reason constantly, or sidebacks always letting the wingers unmarked for a run). That's one of the weakest points in PES. They should improve the awareness of players. Fifa uses a Threat-map and every player reacts according to potential threats offensive and defensively. It has worked out very very well. I think PES is still using old patterns here, because things like the headless chicken runs happen way too often. Teamvision was a very very cheap attempt, it simply consists in the CPU juicing the stats of the players to be better than you. Raw force instead of skill, I would say.
- Having a much better collision system and not just a script that puts the ball to the feet of the nearest cpu player
- Removing the "momentum" shift that simply lets the CPU when a team is going to play well or not (I expect that the player decisions should make him win or loose, not a script that simply puts your shots out or in for 5 mins.)
- Invest some money in doing promotion of the things they have done the whole year, how they did it and why they did it.
And now I go to sleep!
Interesting to read how FIFA solved this problem, but when defending it leads to chaotic situations in the penalty area, where all players overthere seem to react at potential threats. All players run from their positions, leaving a gap, which is another threat and another defender tries to save the situation.
What a pitty to put this childish frase in such a great post
What a pitty to put this childish frase in such a great post
On the other hand producing a 3d mesh like the fifa faces its quite hard, to do something like that a professional modeler will take about 3 hous at least(i will need a whole day to do something not perfect
You see the diference, lets say you have 1000 3d model:
1000x30min each texture =500 hours
1000x3 hours each 3d model=3000 hous
And after that you can't really reuse the texture of a different 3d nodel, even if you adjust the uv coordinates of the new 3d model to match the old texture you are going to get lots of artifacts, at least you have to re-edit the texture.
P.S. Hope you learned your lesson and behave from now on
drekkard said:
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the same time, you can move your player around free.
Because I have not, ever, wasted my energy asking for Konami to do anything.
I just take it for what it is.
