Manchester United Thread
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So does anyone actually know anything about Martial?
What a weird window for us. Guessing this'll be the first XI:
------------------Romero------------------
--Darmian----Smalling--Blind----Shaw------
-----------Schweini---Schneids------------
-------------------Mata-------------------
-----Martial--------------------Depay-----
-------------------Rooney-----------------
If Martial gets in it. Crazy to think only 2 of those players were here 2 years ago.
What a weird window for us. Guessing this'll be the first XI:
------------------Romero------------------
--Darmian----Smalling--Blind----Shaw------
-----------Schweini---Schneids------------
-------------------Mata-------------------
-----Martial--------------------Depay-----
-------------------Rooney-----------------
If Martial gets in it. Crazy to think only 2 of those players were here 2 years ago.
dplane
Big Kahuna Burger
Jones is. McNair is still a second string player and Rojo is still missing some match rhythm (at least that's what I assume LVG thinks)
Ughgh.
Well on the flipside, I'm happy we got Martial. I like seeing us buying potential and we make sure they become world class, but I'm certainly not happy about the size of money we put in. But I'm kind of confused with this purchase after reading @beachryan post. Does it mean we've paid nothing so far and will only pay if Martial fulfills conditions?
Well on the flipside, I'm happy we got Martial. I like seeing us buying potential and we make sure they become world class, but I'm certainly not happy about the size of money we put in. But I'm kind of confused with this purchase after reading @beachryan post. Does it mean we've paid nothing so far and will only pay if Martial fulfills conditions?
northstandhero
Betta Getta Vespa
- 25 April 2002
£22m up front, £3.5m per year for each of the four years of the contract, that takes it to the £36m that the press are running with. The other add ons are performance related as in being leading goalscorer in the league and winning ballon d'or, golden boy etc.
gerd
Retired Footballer
About Rojo.
It seems LVG has difficulties managing both South-American players and GK's.
He has had troubles with these players at various clubs.
It seems LVG has difficulties managing both South-American players and GK's.
He has had troubles with these players at various clubs.
Godotelli
Stroking Silva's Hair
Better hope Smalling is over his injuries! With Jones always injured you're one injury away from a McNair+Blind partnership
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
were like that all over the pitch barring (wait for it!) CM any injury and our 2nd string is a massive step down.
I think top four is the target again, but might be even more difficult this year.
I think top four is the target again, but might be even more difficult this year.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Isn't that a litle bit pessimistic?
What club would 'intrude' the top 4?
Liverpool maybe.
Spurs: no chance.
Swansea: that would be great, but i don't see that happening...
I hoenstly don't see other candidates...
gerd
Retired Footballer
Don't think so, Lami...under Moyes, yes, but not under Martinez.
I still think LFC will sort it out. Hopefully not til after the next match though 
Am excited about Martial, but don't think we'll see much of him at first. Apparently he basically never completes 90 minutes - and given each match we'll have at least 1 injury and 1 FB will be subbed (LVG's obsession - every match) means limited ability to change things up front.
Just hope we do everything in our power to show big Dave the love. Need to use this disaster as well as we can. Send Ander and Juan over for cuddles or something.
Am excited about Martial, but don't think we'll see much of him at first. Apparently he basically never completes 90 minutes - and given each match we'll have at least 1 injury and 1 FB will be subbed (LVG's obsession - every match) means limited ability to change things up front.
Just hope we do everything in our power to show big Dave the love. Need to use this disaster as well as we can. Send Ander and Juan over for cuddles or something.
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Liverpool are contenders, with Benteke they have a CF who will score goals, and right now I'd rather have him than Rooney.
PIPA23
retired :)
- 21 June 2007
lol guys, Liverpool will have big problems, so far the formations we played show we can´t use Benteke properly... this will cause Rodgers his job...also the Lovren fiasco....having Sakho on bench.
i was hopefull, but we realy look shite so far...lucky win against Bournemouth and trashing by WHU proved this.... we are in trouble still.
i was hopefull, but we realy look shite so far...lucky win against Bournemouth and trashing by WHU proved this.... we are in trouble still.
Godotelli
Stroking Silva's Hair
LFC have a chance if they get their act together.
Utd have more games but a smaller squad. They are a few injuries at CB/ST away from 'crisis'
Utd have more games but a smaller squad. They are a few injuries at CB/ST away from 'crisis'
gerd
Retired Footballer
Liverpool pack decent CB's.
In modern football you need CB's who are defensively strong and also technically skilled. Liverpool does not have that kind of CB.
In modern football you need CB's who are defensively strong and also technically skilled. Liverpool does not have that kind of CB.
PIPA23
retired :)
- 21 June 2007
this is interesting..
Godotelli
Stroking Silva's Hair
spektarm
Premier League
- 6 October 2006
- Manchester United
I don't like neither Moyes nor Van Gaal, but the only thing that really matters for the club is that Moyes finished 7th and Van Gaal 4th.
gerd
Retired Footballer
THE incoming transfers should also taken into account.
Moyes wasten much less money than LVG.
Moyes wasten much less money than LVG.
Panthera1
Championship
- 4 February 2004
this is interesting..
In Van Gaal's defence Moyes inherited a title winning team. Sure alot were coming to the end but still there shouldn't have been that much of a drop. Van Gaal is making massive changes to the squad for the past 2 years and sometimes it takes time to bed everything in. People forget Chelsea and city took a couple of years to come good after massive investment. Rodgers has spent 275 million (be it over 7 Years)and has nothing to show for it.
Still Van Gaal has also spent alot of money with nothing to show from it and as Brendan said "If you spend more than £100 million, you expect to be challenging for the league."
TikTikTikTikTik
*****
- 7 August 2004
- Liverpool
Rodgers is in his 4th season, not 7th.
Panthera1
Championship
- 4 February 2004
Sorry even worse
That post should be more in Moyes' defence. Van Gaal has spent a lot and allowed time to change because of his big name while Moyes wasn't and inherited a worn out team that managed to win with Sir Alex's hairdryer. I still believe Moyes was made scapegoat and should've been given more time and money. I believe he's done great at Everton with the freedom he had with little money. H'es also given them character. If he had sheikh money he'd have done even better there imo.
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gerd
Retired Footballer
Couldn't agree more.
Moyes made the mistake to come after Ferguson.
I'm currently reading a fantastic book about tactics (Universality) where the author thinks that the second United success period (2006-2010, with Ronaldo) was more the work of Carlos Queroz than Ferguson. The biggest mistake was that United didn't propose Queroz as Ferguson's succeder when he wanted to become Portugal's national coach. Ferguson should have steppend down at that moment.
I have read that somewhere as well and no wonder after he left the team felt weaker. I've read he was the main man behind Ronaldo's success at United, but I don't know if it's true.
Panthera1
Championship
- 4 February 2004
That post wasn't to criticize moyes it was more more to show the that there are different circumstances for the two managers that can't be explained with simple stats as they don't tell the full story.
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
It's a completely different ball game being 'assistant' to being the manager, his time at Real Madrid shows that.
no one could replace Sir Alex without us all wishing he'd return, Mourinho would probably be the only option who could have continued winning things.
no one could replace Sir Alex without us all wishing he'd return, Mourinho would probably be the only option who could have continued winning things.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Real Madrid is something totally different.
Using this to make your point is the same as using his time at Everton to make the point that Moyes os a fantastic manager.
Why is it that most United fans refuse to see that Ferguson left the club in a mess? During his last years he only had a short term vision. Of course he is arguably the best ever manager, but at the end he made some serious mistakes.