Manchester United Thread

gerd said:
Real Madrid is something totally different.
Using this to make your point is the same as using his time at Everton to make the point that Moyes os a fantastic manager.

Why is it that most United fans refuse to see that Ferguson left the club in a mess? During his last years he only had a short term vision. Of course he is arguably the best ever manager, but at the end he made some serious mistakes.
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Yep. He meant to leave up until the 96th minute of the QPR match. Stayed a season, won the league because for him I guess it really is that easy, but never bothered rebuilding the squad.

Personally I think he had no choice - the Glazers stripped United of the ability to be a 'big' team, and it was only through sheer will did Fergie keep us up there. If you look at our spend in his last 6 years relative to all other European teams, it's an utter miracle we finished in the top 4, much less won leagues and went to CL finals.

But, whether because he couldn't spend or because he couldn't be bothered, he left us seriously screwed. I've always thought Moyes was a patsy because we didn't get Mourinho...
 
you give too much importance to Mou lol . He would not walking in a club after SAF and be told we`re limited to funds. The door w'd of shut before they utter the words 'to funds'. Mou used MUTD to return to Chelsea...another thing Ronaldo is not coming back lol

I hear this Mou/Ronaldo so much ppl are starting to use it as an excuse.Roma Empire fell once! the problem MUTD has is MCity are forcing MUTD`s hand(reckless transfers). No more Berbatovs` walking out of the medical room of City to join MUTD. I heard Neville saying MUTD had the squad to do the work ,but players kept being pushed out ...SAF instilled a certain mentally that he fears is no longer there.
 
RVP isn't a signing a younger Ferguson makes. Utd fans can't exactly begrudge him doing what was best for him rather than the club but it did leave Moyes in the lurch


Was listening to Sunday Supplement early and some of the add ons they mention for Martial are money in the bank for Monaco
Once he has scored 25 goals for Utd and has 25 international caps for France Utd have to pay a further 20mE
So £51.5m for a return that Welbeck achieved with ease
The other £7m, that of winning the Ballon d'Or in the next 4 years, Welbz hasn't YET achieved...
 
Godotelli said:
RVP isn't a signing a younger Ferguson makes. Utd fans can't exactly begrudge him doing what was best for him rather than the club but it did leave Moyes in the lurch


Was listening to Sunday Supplement early and some of the add ons they mention for Martial are money in the bank for Monaco
Once he has scored 25 goals for Utd and has 25 international caps for France Utd have to pay a further 20mE
So £51.5m for a return that Welbeck achieved with ease
The other £7m, that of winning the Ballon d'Or in the next 4 years, Welbz hasn't YET achieved...
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Yep, those are the conditions named by Monaco president. They're notably different from those 'leaked' by MUFC.

We'll see I guess. In the last 3 seasons not that many players have scored 25 goals for United, depressingly, so if he does indeed hit 25 - particularly in his first 2 years for example, I'll be happy with the 10m.

The other part they're not highlighting is that only £21.5m of the initial fee is due this year. The remainder is paid over the 4 years if he remains a United player.

So basically if he sucks, we'll end up having paid £21.5m. A lot of money to be sure, but at the same time that's a Lazar Markovic, a Marko Marin, way less than Erik Lamela and so forth. Ie, not nearly as HEADLINE GRABBING as it sounds.

As I posted before, if we end up paying more than £35m for him it'll be because he's become an integral part of our first team. And that'll be expensive but far from insane.

It's also amazing reading the presses reaction to United this summer. LVG has seriously gotten under their skin.

One manager offloads a ton of under performing players, shaving off £50m a year from the wage bill, brings in young talent and has his team in 5th at the start of the year. Gives more starts to youth players last season than any other team in the top 10. Wins crucial European qualifier at a canter.

Another manager buys some random Reading defender for £4m, loaned him immediately back, and buys a defender labelled by French journalist Phillipe Auclair as 'a joke, there must be more going on'. Suspends his medical staff because they did their job. Calls out his players in a post match interview. Oh and is currently sitting 13th in the league. Has played 1 youth team product in the past 12 months in the league, once.

One of those teams has a negative article about them in every UK paper on Sunday. The other has a puff piece about how Kennedy could be good.

Always hated, never ignored.
 
Van Gaal said it was "positive" that captain Rooney and vice-captain Carrick had approached him to say: "The dressing room is flat."

The Dutchman added: "They told me to help me. I communicate not only with my captains, they try to warn me.
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:LMAO: Van Gaal to the rescue ! I bet Rooney / Carrick are screaming to pump up the players and no one bat an eye . Too many foreigners ? It all sounds gibberish .
 
What's wrong with Fellaini. He did score some very important goals. Without him you were not in the Champions League.
For some fans he has become the symbool for all what is wrong with United post Ferguson.

He does not deserve that. How would you feel as Fellaini, Beach?
 
What's wrong with Fellaini. He did score some very important goals. Without him you were not in the Champions League.
For some fans he has become the symbool for all what is wrong with United post Ferguson.

He does not deserve that. How would you feel as Fellaini, Beach?
 
Mark said:
Nothing, but he is no forward (IMHO). And upfront he limits/condenses our attacking game (which is already not sparkling).
Hoofing the ball in Fellainis direction is not an solution in any way.
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I completely agree with your post.
I can also see beachryan's point.
I like watching our national without Fellaini as AMF too (more and more people think Januzaj should play as AMF), but on the other hand Fellaini is our topscorer...
 
Yeah I like Fellaini as a Plan B, but I'm not sure he's ever started a match as a CF? Just saying a team with our resources should have at least 2 decent options in each position.

Maybe he'll do alright, but his lack of pace is going to hurt us I fear.

Then again with Rooney in the form he's in, a traffic cone might be a better option.
 
Spectacular second half. Stunning goal from Blind, emphatic penalty by Herrera, absolutely world class, video game like overhead goal by Benteke and a brilliant goal by Martial on his debut against Liverpool no less. Love it.
 
Great start for the kid, should take some pressure of him for a while, but Tyler made Neville sound like a damned scouser with his commentary/celebration
 
nope, even as LFC supporter i can tell you can´t compare them... that goal was something like Torres goal agaist chelsea on his LFC debut...

this kid has a big future, you can tell right now.. i have no doubt about that.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF1bCc2-xSg Theo did the same gol vs Chelsea on his debut :LOL: Henry`s name plus he wanted his no.14 was a media circus! what should be done today (Martial) is let the kid play and whatever potential he fills compare then . I think ppl want to be attach with the 'You heard it here first' mentally that serves no one.Nani was almost a finish product who played well ,but never reached that lvl.

Van Gaal was smart and labeling the kid a product for the next manager. This transfer was to fill the void for this season, although he probably wasnt the target until next season. That gol was good ,but how shite was the capt. to let him get into that position.
 
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It was a very good goal but anyone that has seen him play or a video of his goals on youtube will have known he had that in his locker. The fee was massive but that's not his fault. He has been know as a good youth prospect for some time and to come in and score in such an important match on his debut was a good beginning but this is where the hard work begins.
 
So that goal could/will cost 400.000 pounds. Not a lot more than Rooney per match and atleast you get a goal! (Not a dig, just highlighting that goals like that are more than worth it as Liverpool were starting to get into the game.)
 
For me the goal was more reminiscent of Torres' approach to CBs: run at them at all times. Worst case, you lose the ball, best case you're faster than them over 5 yards so you get a chance, medium case they touch you and you hit the ground.

Makes you wonder why more strikers don't do it more, tbh.

Think this could be very good thing for Memphis, who had a horrid day but will escape the spotlight and hopefully will train harder. Full backs in the prem a might better than the Eredevisie, and he needs to get better fairly sharpish cause we're reliant on him, despite his age and experience.

In much the same was as I'm confident Benteke will score more than Rooney, Memphis will get more than Martial this season. And we need him to start soon.

Heard that Mata has scored or assisted all of our (meagre) goals this season. Doesn't change my opinion that despite being lovely, talented and creative he holds us back playing wide right.
 
I reckon Young will displace Depay.

He reminds me of a freestyler who has been thrown on a football pitch. He's only 21 tho and in a new league so has time
 
FFS, think the PSV defender just broke Shaw's leg.

Our best player so far this season too.

Slight edit, I'm obviously biased, but is it not a dangerous tackle if you take the ball, but also hurl yourself off the ground all the way through the player?
 
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