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Great win !!!

This more than made up for the lost 2 pts we had at home to Norwich...

The starting lineup was the key......

playing the technically good players like Bellamy and Maxi...
they combine so much better with the rest of the team...

Credit to Charlie Adam.....he pressured Obi Mikel for the first
goal...
and got another assist...for the 2nd goal...

First half we were brilliant.....Chelsea were pinned back
at times....and we pressured superbly....

2nd half....well you expect Chelsea to pick up steam....
and we were lucky at times...but we still had a goal threat..
and that showed....I never expected Johnson to score....
I was just thinking throughout the game that his defensive play
would cost us with Malouda and Cole beating him...
so credit to Glen...to make up for that BIG TIME...

Now...if we can beat City next week.....that would be amazing !!
 
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DagsJT said:
LFC now unbeaten in 9 games. 30 league games into Kenny's reign and unbeaten in three-quarters of them.

Progress.
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how many wins?those draws were as good as defeats.yes i still think he should step down(not sacked).nothing will change my mind on that.and yes adam had a weird game,when on the ball he was good,without it aluxury to have(as seen on malouda's goal).forget set peices,he's shit on corners as well.so in all,the obese,bad dental plan,baldy is shit.his best game in red shirt yesterday though.people need to calm down.yeah we beat chelsea but we're not everton where we want em dvds out now do we?
 
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bit harsh on Adam

i agree his set pieces are over rated. his corners were shockingly shit, no excuse there.

however i thought he put a good shift in, did some good running, tackling and passing for a change
 
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We'd sign Messi in January and the usual pair would still find a reason to complain.

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YoungGun_UK said:
Suarez could get burnt out and if he does you have little threat upfront.
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You are formulating this a litle bit weird, but i can see what you want to say...Liverpool need a plan B. If Suarez would have a serious injury, Liverpool might be in serious trouble.
The club needs to buy one or more rather high profile players in the january transfer window to assure fans and players like Suarez...

About Adam: he had a couple of bad corners yesterday, but IMO he was splendid. He proving that he is much more than a free kick specialist.I was one of the people who had serious doubts about him, but i was totally wrong...he is doing fine.
 
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I'm not sure we'll go for another striker as we have Carroll, Bellamy and Kuyt who all play there. I do think we still need a Suarez-esque player but who plays behind the striker, kinda like Van Der Vaart maybe.

The problem with us drawing games against the smaller teams is because we haven't got that magician who can find the pass to break through teams that park the bus, or pull off that trickery to create space for the striker(s). Suarez has that but he's the one we want to pass the ball to.

Not sure what was going on with Adam's corners yesterday, it was almost like he's been watching Gerrard's corners and trying to emulate him! Previously his corners had been fine, if not good, but his set-pieces were awful yesterday. On the other hand, he more than made up for that with the amount of tracking back and tackles he won as well as creating space and chances.
 
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DagsJT said:
I'm not sure we'll go for another striker as we have Carroll, Bellamy and Kuyt who all play there. I do think we still need a Suarez-esque player but who plays behind the striker, kinda like Van Der Vaart maybe.
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I dunno I think you have ok coverage for that. Assuming you have two from Adam, Gerrard and Lucas in midfield / defensive midfield you can use your current squad as follows:

---------Suarez
Bellamy---Kuyt----Maxi

---------Carroll
Bellamy--Suarez---Kuyt

---------Suarez
Downing---Kuyt---Bellamy

I suppose there is a case for an out and out left winger, given Downing seems more comfortable cutting in on the right and Bellamy is probably more of a right winger than a left winger. But who would you get in to add quality ? To me there isnt much point in signing an average left winger as backup, Raheem Sterling is two footed, seems to play as an attacking midfielder. Given a mediocre signing isn't that likely to play too many games, you might be better off giving Sterling a chance at left wing. I'd be more tempted to sign another defensive midfielder. Lucas is a key player for you and he covers an insane amount of ground given a lot of your other starting midfielders are more attacking than defensive. He has to put in a double shift and at some point in the season he's going to pick up a knock or he'll get the odd suspension due to yellows. You could really do with a backup to stifle the opposition's midfield in the Lucas mould. Raul Miereles could have done this (although he was very versatile and could have been either an attacking or a defensive midfielder), but without him and with Gerrard so injury prone it looks like Spearing is the only real back up in the DM position, I don't think Henderson is enough of a destroyer to play as a DM on his own and it would be a waste of him too, hes more an attacking player.
 
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DagsJT said:
I'm not sure we'll go for another striker as we have Carroll, Bellamy and Kuyt who all play there. I do think we still need a Suarez-esque player but who plays behind the striker, kinda like Van Der Vaart maybe.

The problem with us drawing games against the smaller teams is because we haven't got that magician who can find the pass to break through teams that park the bus, or pull off that trickery to create space for the striker(s). Suarez has that but he's the one we want to pass the ball to.

Not sure what was going on with Adam's corners yesterday, it was almost like he's been watching Gerrard's corners and trying to emulate him! Previously his corners had been fine, if not good, but his set-pieces were awful yesterday. On the other hand, he more than made up for that with the amount of tracking back and tackles he won as well as creating space and chances.
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And Dalglish has nothing to do with that deficit ?
 
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cfdh_edmundo said:
I dunno I think you have ok coverage for that. Assuming you have two from Adam, Gerrard and Lucas in midfield / defensive midfield you can use your current squad as follows:

---------Suarez
Bellamy---Kuyt----Maxi

---------Carroll
Bellamy--Suarez---Kuyt

---------Suarez
Downing---Kuyt---Bellamy

I suppose there is a case for an out and out left winger, given Downing seems more comfortable cutting in on the right and Bellamy is probably more of a right winger than a left winger. But who would you get in to add quality ? To me there isnt much point in signing an average left winger as backup, Raheem Sterling is two footed, seems to play as an attacking midfielder. Given a mediocre signing isn't that likely to play too many games, you might be better off giving Sterling a chance at left wing. I'd be more tempted to sign another defensive midfielder. Lucas is a key player for you and he covers an insane amount of ground given a lot of your other starting midfielders are more attacking than defensive. He has to put in a double shift and at some point in the season he's going to pick up a knock or he'll get the odd suspension due to yellows. You could really do with a backup to stifle the opposition's midfield in the Lucas mould. Raul Miereles could have done this (although he was very versatile and could have been either an attacking or a defensive midfielder), but without him and with Gerrard so injury prone it looks like Spearing is the only real back up in the DM position, I don't think Henderson is enough of a destroyer to play as a DM on his own and it would be a waste of him too, hes more an attacking player.
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Henderson could still turn into a very creative player, he's still young and will learn a lot from Gerrard.

I guess Adam is also capable of being the playmaker but he likes to play further back and spray passes, although his darting runs have helped.

If Lucas got injured, I think Adam would step into the DMC role and do a good job. He's already shown that he's good at tracking runs and winning the ball back, particularly yesterday. Spearing is decent but not sure he's the standard that we need. Again, he's got time to improve and I think he'd be fine enough but nothing special.
 
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For me it was a very typical 'big game' Liverpool performance. They do the same thing against United every year:

First 30 minutes, massive pressure, forcing mistakes and trying to nick a lead.

They then sit back and wait for half time.

Come out and pressure at the start of the second half, but then by the 55th/60th minute they stop pressuring (presumably cause they're knackered) and the other team gets chances. It's an interesting approach, but a risky one if they don't get that early goal.
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
Suarez could get burnt out and if he does you have little threat upfront.
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we still have one at RB.. :D

no realy i agree, we need a driving AM or wing - and one Flexible CF..

Carroll will imho start against City..he had a good game against them his first home match where he scored 2 goals..

i think we can go various formations..but against city i predict 433..
 
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Liverbird said:
And Dalglish has nothing to do with that deficit ?
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I think Hodgson has more to do with f....g up Aquilani´s mind if you think of him.. but i think Adam should be playing as AM more than CM... even though i think you think he´s shit..
 
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Bellamy has to start the next game.....
he adds so much more creativity and pace to our game....

I doubt Carroll is the type of player for the type of play
we are aiming for at LFC....pass and move.....
Dalglish wants to play that....and that is what we are suited for...
the players love it...

I hope we can beat City......I think we will.
 
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DagsJT said:
If Lucas got injured, I think Adam would step into the DMC role and do a good job. He's already shown that he's good at tracking runs and winning the ball back, particularly yesterday. Spearing is decent but not sure he's the standard that we need. Again, he's got time to improve and I think he'd be fine enough but nothing special.
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No way should Adam take Lucas' role if he get's injured. We only have to look at the Norwich game for an example when both he and Gerrard were CM's. The defense was exposed with nearly every attack in that game. I'd rather have Spearing as the holding midfielder. He did well last season and makes a nuisance of himself. He's not a starter, but better in that role imo.
 
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TikTikTikTikTik said:
No way should Adam take Lucas' role if he get's injured. We only have to look at the Norwich game for an example when both he and Gerrard were CM's. The defense was exposed with nearly every attack in that game. I'd rather have Spearing as the holding midfielder. He did well last season and makes a nuisance of himself. He's not a starter, but better in that role imo.
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beachryan said:
For me it was a very typical 'big game' Liverpool performance. They do the same thing against United every year:

First 30 minutes, massive pressure, forcing mistakes and trying to nick a lead.

They then sit back and wait for half time.

Come out and pressure at the start of the second half, but then by the 55th/60th minute they stop pressuring (presumably cause they're knackered) and the other team gets chances. It's an interesting approach, but a risky one if they don't get that early goal.
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And yet it works more often then not. Utd were probably the first team in a while to actually set themselves up for it and had a complete gameplan to combat it this season. I guess it "worked" looking at the result, but Liverpool could have still easily snatched the win.

Barcelona do the same tactic in a way, admittedly at a far higher level, but they smother teams for the 1st 60min. and usually that is enough to give them a 2 or more goal lead. But after that they tire dramatically imo....but usually they are stilll good enough to see out the match. However in the CL it can often get a bit tougher for them.

The thing is though, how much energy does it take to defend against these tactics and does it leave enough energy to fight back later. Because when the team (Liverpool) defends again for 20min. they are slowly building up some extra energy for the last 5/10min.

I only saw the last 10min of sunday's match but Liverpool looked comfortable and were attacking dangerously. They didn't look knackered to me. Whilst Chelsea were the ones that looked laboured. Against Utd I remember a similar last 10min. tbh.
 
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TikTikTikTikTik said:
No way should Adam take Lucas' role if he get's injured. We only have to look at the Norwich game for an example when both he and Gerrard were CM's. The defense was exposed with nearly every attack in that game. I'd rather have Spearing as the holding midfielder. He did well last season and makes a nuisance of himself. He's not a starter, but better in that role imo.
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I agree with you and think Lucas does a lot of Adam's leg work. Lucas is back in front of the back 4, winning the ball, breaking up the opposition's attacks and then giving it Adam to distribute the ball. Lucas has already got 4 yellows so is only one away from a one game suspension. It's not like he's a particularly dirty player, but as the only really defensivly minded midfielder in team, he has to make more key tackles and so always runs the risk of getting yellows. I think Liverpool would be a fair bit stronger if they could get an experienced back up for him, the alternative would be to try and play Coates there, since he reads the game well and is an efficient tackler. Agger and Skrtel are probably the first choice center backs anyway.
 
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I thought Lucas had six yellows now? He served his suspension a few weeks ago.

Edit: Yep, he missed the Norwich game due to suspension.
 
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Lucas is one of our best players. suprised he doesn't get the credit he deserves

great reader of the game, good passer, tackler

only thing he lacks is his shooting but again his role doesn't give him much opportunity
 
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PIPA23 said:
I think Hodgson has more to do with f....g up Aquilani´s mind if you think of him.. but i think Adam should be playing as AM more than CM... even though i think you think he´s shit..
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Im talking about our best player last season that was Meireles and Aquilani. Both of them have quality, creativity and can see a pass. They were here in July so if someone decided they are too foreign or not good enough to play for Liverpool and now we dont have enough quality in the final third, then dont blame it on other coaches.
 
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Liverbird said:
Im talking about our best player last season that was Meireles and Aquilani. Both of them have quality, creativity and can see a pass. They were here in July so if someone decided they are too foreign or not good enough to play for Liverpool and now we dont have enough quality in the final third, then dont blame it on other coaches.
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that´s just what you think mate and i think it´s ridicilous.. they are not to much differently foreign as Reina, Maxi, Coates, Suarez, Skrtel, Agger, Kuyt, Lucas, Enrique etc..who are all non-british..

I would say that Meireles has gone becouse we bought Henderson to give youth chance and to grow him in to the team..maybe he was not satisfied with being only substitute after Adam was bought..and officialy handed transfer request himself.. but he was back then only a substitute the same way he is now at Chelsea, while Ramires, Lampard and Obi are in 433 midfield starters.. and same way Aquliani is a substitute only now at Milan..

Aquilani ..i realy don´t have the will to start with him again..
 
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PIPA23 said:
that´s just what you think mate and i think it´s ridicilous.. they are not to much differently foreign as Reina, Maxi, Coates, Suarez, Skrtel, Agger, Kuyt, Lucas, Enrique etc..who are all non-british..

I would say that Meireles has gone becouse we bought Henderson to give youth chance and to grow him in to the team..maybe he was not satisfied with being only substitute after Adam was bought..and officialy handed transfer request himself.. but he was back then only a substitute the same way he is now at Chelsea, while Ramires, Lampard and Obi are in 433 midfield starters.. and same way Aquliani is a substitute only now at Milan..

Aquilani ..i realy don´t have the will to start with him again..
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Meireles went to Chelsea because Mr Dalglish doesnt rate him. That is why he played him on the wings last season when all fit.
About Aquilani on Milan, he is not a substitute like certain 35M player. He is usually a starter ...
 
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Liverbird you write things you have no clue if they are true at first place, it´s your subjective position or view..there could be many other reasons behind any transfer what so ever..you just write as child who likes someone and if it´s not after what you say, you moan untill you get it..but if the main coach deciedes to sell, then so be it..we just won against Chelsea having both 50 m. Torres and 16 m. Meireles used as subs and do nothing to prevent our win....

Torres even could not be used as substitute, not becouse of his form, but becouse everyone - EVERY chelsea fan knows they did mistake and overpayed, the player probably knows it himself as well.. Meireles as i said is not even starting at chelsea, milan does not include Aquilani in first 11 lineup so why do you make him a messiah of LFC..?

if he was quality and good for the team + many othe reasons, he would have stayed and starting for us, right with Rafa, but then Roy sended him to Italy and maybe just maybe he made up his mind then? who knows? me i´m just speculating, but you say something as if other options were out of question.. Kenny is enemy - evil - anti whatever - bad coach etc.. yet he is at the same points as mr. Wenger so far.. with being a year at the club if not less...

About the certain 35 m. player, at least he is 5 years younger and has potential to become a decent player for us.. Yet many just criticise him for being expensive..that´s fucked up..

But i won´t repeat my view again and again, it´s pointless.

BTW...by the time Carroll was bought, Kenny was not even certain to agree to be our manager, he was a caretaker, so might be the fact that Carroll was more a Comolli or LFC board signing.. whatever.. He barely played full game yet everyone is making him the worst thing ever... if every fan was like this, then why the fuck even support the club - players and people who stood by their decision.. so we took the risk we maybe can afford...

What make´s you think we did such mistake, when FSG didn´t yet invested a lot basicly... Carroll´s and Suarez buys were both covered in Torres and Babel sales.. so you can simply erase this deals, two out - two in and rest you can check how we did in transfer market..

FSG might even start to invest more in January or next summer, after we hopefully get our goals - that is 4th spot.

Cheer up, what should the Chelsea fans or Torres think...do you think they/he is happy? I know Torres was other class, but Chelsea did the same risk buying him knowing he was not 100% healthy as we did buying Carroll, knowing he was not as long in PL as Torres..but our risk is less expensive + 5 years younger player.. with MASSIVE potential..
 
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Can I remind you both that you have your own thread for these pointless and annoying discussions? Just as Dags was getting back...
 
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TikTikTikTikTik said:
Can I remind you both that you have your own thread for these pointless and annoying discussions? Just as Dags was getting back...
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It's not so bad having the ignore button. The problem is you still see the pointless drivel when it's being quoted :(

So no quoting the trolls please, Pipa ;)
 
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Liverbird said:
Im talking about our best player last season that was Meireles and Aquilani.
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Don't remember him playing for us last year so how was he our best player? Oh, because he played well for somebody else. Well that makes a lot of sense doesn't it?! And he was poor when he played the season before.

I'm not saying he isn't a good player but he didn't stand out for me. Maybe he might have come good but who knows. I'd have been happy for him to stay and have another crack at it but he's not here so no point whinging about it.

Seems like people in here are willing to give some people a chance and not others. Double headers.
 
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