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seems like we are interested in Walcott after all

@duncanjenkinsFC Afternoon mates, any legs in the Walcott rumour ?!

56m duncan jenkins ‏@duncanjenkinsFC
@parisio yes i think so mates genuine interest. to be honest honest at first i thought it was a cock and balls story but the interest is real.
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would be a good move if true.. i rate him and he is a LFC supporter as i read somewhere...might be a fresh start for him..
 
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lo zio said:
if there's someone out there willing to pay 18\20 million pounds for him, than sure, go for it. if the coach doesn't want him, let hiim go, as u're probably never gonna get more than this. but do u sincerely believe there's a nutcase willing to pay that sum for carroll right now??? i find it extremely unlikely.

however guys, by reading your posts, i realise u lot are completely unfamiliar with the very concept of "loss" http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/capitalloss.asp#axzz20sOGAC9Y
....the key part being "This loss is not realized until the asset is sold"

i see u guys making comments like "we gotta cut our losses" or "One basic in business, is that you cant let bad decisions from the past influence in decisions for the future." this is absolutely not correct, people. infact it's the exact opposite. u define your losses (or profits) by considering how much u did invest (wich is obviously what u'd call "a decision from the past").

the truth is, right now u haven't lost anything yet on the "carroll investment", because u haven't sold him yet. only once u will have sold him, u will have realised a loss (or a profit).
simple example: a company buys a building for 100. the following year the market goes down and the value of that building decreases to 50. is that a loss? NO, because u haven't sold the building yet. if u sell the building when the market is down then yes, u have generated a loss. but if u don't sell it and wait, then u haven't lost a single cent. perhaps in 3 years the market could go up again and u might be able to sell that building for the same price you bought it for, or even for a higher price (in wich case u'd make a profit).

the same applies to football players: palermo bought ilicic 2 years ago for 2 millions. by the end of his first season in palermo he was worth 15 millions (as a matter of fact we rejected a 15 millions offer). but we didn't sell him then. his second season was a disaster and now his value on the market is about 5 millions. are we going to sell him this summer? hell no! we're gonna wait for his performances to get better (and for his pricetag to grow accordingly) so we can make a better profit. our new coach made it pretty clear ilicic isn't in his plans, but the club told him "well change your plans then, coz we can't lose a shitload of money only because u don't believe in him".
as u can easily realise, all those pricetag fluctuations are absolutely irrelevant. the only value that will actually matter will be the value we eventually decide to sell him for. it's pretty obvious, isn't it?
so far ilicic isn't a loss nor a profit for us. and the same goes for carroll; carroll will only become a loss (or a profit) once u decide to sell him. so saying "we gotta cut our losses" makes no sense, because there's no loss yet.

and to say that the club has got to ignore how much they paid for carroll is nonsense too. because only by considering how much u paid for an investment u can value that investment as a profit or a loss. the fans should ignore his pricetag...... carroll himself should try and ignore his pricetag..... but the club can't afford to ignore that.
the only tool to evaluate an investment as a loss or a profit is "capital gain\loss" and u can't even assess that value if u ignore how much u spent on the investment in the first place.

carroll just had a pretty lousy season, wich obviously effected his value. if u sell him now then yes, u will realise a monumental loss. if u keep him his value can only increase (because seriously how many of u really believe he will score less than 6 goals next season!?!). even if he had another poor season, it will inevitably be at least a bit better than the last one (6 goals in 42 appearances... he just can't do any worse than that).

and even if he wouldn't improve and his pricetag wouldn't increase, keeping him one year more would allow u to distribute the capital loss over 2 financial years (wich would make the capital loss a lot less dramatic for your balance sheet).

if u would sell carroll right now for, say, 18 millions pounds, that would mean a capital loss of 17 millions over a singe financial year. in any industry, such a monumental failure would force the ceo to resign. such an operation would make liverpool the laughing stock of european football. plain and simple.
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It is not nonsense at all. It was one of the first things I learned in microeconomy. You are right that with the new rules, it would do a mess in the accounting.
But, if he is not in Rodgers plans there is no point in keeping him because he is simply not going to play under Rodgers and his value will decrease even more.
 
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Just love reading all the couch coaches posts. It's so easy posting and judging from the comfort of our seats at home, isn't it?

:P

I really feel sorry for all the players and managers/coaches out there. And I really feel sorry for Carroll being a victim of the media and that crazy transfer money of his.
 
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And the fact a whole post from a business point of view actually out weighs any point from a football point f view is soul destroying :(

The business of football, is more important than the playing of football..
 
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Lami said:
Just love reading all the couch coaches posts. It's so easy posting and judging from the comfort of our seats at home, isn't it?

:P

I really feel sorry for all the players and managers/coaches out there. And I really feel sorry for Carroll being a victim of the media and that crazy transfer money of his.
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not quite sure i get your point here lami. isn't this a football forum? i'd say the whole point of places like this is to discuss about how those professionals who work in this industry operate (whether it's players or coaches or directors or owners). i mean if that's not why we're here, then what are we supposed to do in here?

also i find it weird to use the words "professional football player\coach" and "victim" in the same sentence. sure every occupation as its own tough moments, but let's not forget theese people are paid millions to do the thing they love the most in this world (it's kinda unappropriate to even call it a "job"). how many people can say the same?
 
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Taylor_94 said:
And the fact a whole post from a business point of view actually out weighs any point from a football point f view is soul destroying :(

The business of football, is more important than the playing of football..
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Yep. And that is why today's football is "Plastic Football" to me. It's become too Hollywood. Probably even worse. It's blown out of proportion. Every time I read all that money players get, I get depressed. I'm struggling to find a job with decent pay around the AUD700/week, which is around £460/week, and I'm someone with a Bachelors degree and enough experience to earn even more. Yet football players get a ton of mad money for kicking a ball about in the park, and I'm not even talking about the very average ones here. An ok player in the BPL earns around £10k I guess? I would frigging kill for that. If I ever get offered AUD1000/week I'd be thinking I'm the king of the hill :LOL:

I don't believe any of them are worth that much. Not even Messi himself. He's excellent at what he does, yes, but how does that make him any better than any other professional in another industry who's equally as good yet gets peanuts compared to him?

Something just isn't right in this world. And I just can't stop thinking about it every time mad money pops up.

lo zio said:
not quite sure i get your point here lami. isn't this a football forum? i'd say the whole point of places like this is to discuss about how those professionals who work in this industry operate (whether it's players or coaches or directors or owners). i mean if that's not why we're here, then what are we supposed to do in here?

also i find it weird to use the words "professional football player\coach" and "victim" in the same sentence. sure every occupation as its own tough moments, but let's not forget theese people are paid millions to do the thing they love the most in this world (it's kinda unappropriate to even call it a "job"). how many people can say the same?
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I'm just being sarcastic lo zio. We being very judgemental from the comfort of our home couches about all these coaches, players etc who are under the real pressure and decision making, isn't the same, obviously. That's why I used the ":P" icon. It's very easy for us to talk and judge, yet it's never that easy for the managers and players etc. But hey, they get all that money, so I guess they deserve everything we throw at them :LOL:
 
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Lami said:
Yep. And that is why today's football is "Plastic Football" to me. It's become too Hollywood. Probably even worse. It's blown out of proportion. Every time I read all that money players get, I get depressed. I'm struggling to find a job with decent pay around the AUD700/week, which is around £460/week, and I'm someone with a Bachelors degree and enough experience to earn even more. Yet football players get a ton of mad money for kicking a ball about in the park, and I'm not even talking about the very average ones here. An ok player in the BPL earns around £10k I guess? I would frigging kill for that. If I ever get offered AUD1000/week I'd be thinking I'm the king of the hill :LOL:

I don't believe any of them are worth that much. Not even Messi himself. He's excellent at what he does, yes, but how does that make him any better than any other professional in another industry who's equally as good yet gets peanuts compared to him?

Something just isn't right in this world. And I just can't stop thinking about it every time mad money pops up.



I'm just being sarcastic lo zio. We being very judgemental from the comfort of our home couches about all these coaches, players etc who are under the real pressure and decision making, isn't the same, obviously. That's why I used the ":P" icon. It's very easy for us to talk and judge, yet it's never that easy for the managers and players etc. But hey, they get all that money, so I guess they deserve everything we throw at them :LOL:
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How many computer programmers shirts, that they wear to work get replicated and sold for $100?

Construction workers?

Accountants?

How much would you pay to see any of the above at work? I'm guessing ZERO

Let's not go overboard here, if these guys were not paid what they are, we wouldn't be watching....
 
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People watched football years before the money was in the game.. When a youth player would clean your boots for a £10, not moan about only earning £10,000.

What happened to the passion and pride of wearing the shirt of a club you love, winning a trophy.

I would love to earn £100k a week, I won't lie. But if United offered me 1/2 of that I would take it like that. Hell, of Bristol City offered me a contract the love of wanting to play for my Local club.
 
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gomito#10 said:
How many computer programmers shirts, that they wear to work get replicated and sold for $100?

Construction workers?

Accountants?

How much would you pay to see any of the above at work? I'm guessing ZERO

Let's not go overboard here, if these guys were not paid what they are, we wouldn't be watching....
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What you mentioned isn't a sport though. And that doesn't make sports any better anyway. Everyone is a professional worker at their job no matter the profession.

Sorry mate, that's got nothing to do with football. I was brought up watching amateur football for so long. Absolutely nothing to do with money, all pure football love.

And do they have to get paid 150k/week for us to watch them put out average performances on many occasions? Really? And the disrespect fans have to endure too because of their beloved player's greed? Apparently 70k/week isn't enough. One mansion isn't enough.

I could go on and on but I'll stop here.
 
Why is that greed? Not following at all. If that is what the market is paying... If someone were to pay you that much to do your job your going to say, ok sir, where do I sign?
 
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gomito#10 said:
Let's not go overboard here, if these guys were not paid what they are, we wouldn't be watching....
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Surely it's the opposite? If no one watched, they wouldn't get paid. That said I agree with the rest of your post, I have no problems with the money in the game other than the fact that too many billionaires are buying clubs as playthings, but I suppose that's part-and-parcel of football being so profitable nowadays.
 
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gomito#10 said:
Why is that greed? Not following at all. If that is what the market is paying... If someone were to pay you that much to do your job your going to say, ok sir, where do I sign?
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This. Very good. Greed? My ass. Everybody is greedy, most people don't admit it.

Football is extremely popular and in era of globalisation everything that is popular attracts loads of money. Most people here tend to forget that those players live football in a totally different way than we do. It's their day to day job. I love my job, but if i can earn more, i will not refuse it. I love my job but my loyalty towards my employer is very relative...
 
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gomito#10 said:
Why is that greed? Not following at all. If that is what the market is paying... If someone were to pay you that much to do your job your going to say, ok sir, where do I sign?
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Who wouldn't accept? But that's not my point.

My point is this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Right from the start it should've been fair. There are much more influential professions than football. Football is a sport, and dragged into entertainment. There are jobs out there that change people's lives and affects it positively. Footballers don't do that. Why are 22 people kicking a ball about in the park to put it in a net worth millions more than say, an engineer, a doctor, an architect, a programmer, a scientist, a builder, etc? Many of these people work their asses off with after hours and all, hardly ever seeing their family. Why should they get paid millions lower than a footballer? Because they're not on TV and no one cares about them? Why are they worth millions less than brats who think they're the centre of the attention of the universe? They hardly work as long per day.

All I'm saying, money should be spread about much fairer than this. The whole wage award should be re-assessed and add caps. This system we're in has created nothing but more greed and less loyalty. And it's becoming crazier by the moment.
 
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Never knew you were against the free market economy Lami, you should do what i do: vote very, very, very leftist.

There is much truth in what you are writing, but in a free market economy when the demand is huge, there is a huge amount of money involved. There are much bigger thugs that earn way too much than football players, club owners for example...
 
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Football365 reporting Dempsey deal is done,another good player into the team.

RE. Carroll ,maybe Rodgers has been told that Carroll is a bad trainer,likes the nightlife etc etc and has decided to let him go,wouldnt be the 1st time a manager has got rid of a player due to his off field antics.
 
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Lami said:
Who wouldn't accept? But that's not my point.

My point is this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Right from the start it should've been fair. There are much more influential professions than football. Football is a sport, and dragged into entertainment. There are jobs out there that change people's lives and affects it positively. Footballers don't do that. Why are 22 people kicking a ball about in the park to put it in a net worth millions more than say, an engineer, a doctor, an architect, a programmer, a scientist, a builder, etc? Many of these people work their asses off with after hours and all, hardly ever seeing their family. Why should they get paid millions lower than a footballer? Because they're not on TV and no one cares about them? Why are they worth millions less than brats who think they're the centre of the attention of the universe? They hardly work as long per day.

All I'm saying, money should be spread about much fairer than this. The whole wage award should be re-assessed and add caps. This system we're in has created nothing but more greed and less loyalty. And it's becoming crazier by the moment.
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well mate it is interesting you mention this, in no way would i ever advocate doing this with other professions. But in American our sports teams and leagues are as gerd put it, leftist organizations(socialist). There are caps, unions have huge sway, etc.. Dont get me wrong these guys still make a shit ton of money... and after all of these things you would like to see in football, its not going to solve the problems you see with the current players. NFL players are still cunts(not all of course, but neither are all footballers). Setting caps and spreading the money out wont solve the problem of greed and less loyalty...
 
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Thierry14 said:
FSG web site said that dempsey joined the club but they deleted it later..
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FSG - presumably after a quiet word from Anfield - have removed any mention of Clint Dempsey from their website after accidentally announcing his signing earlier today. Fulham, meanwhile, claim that "talks have taken place" about extending his contract at the club.

A Fulham spokesperson told BBC Sport: "It is totally not true. We have not received any bids."
 
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goalgerd said:
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FSG - presumably after a quiet word from Anfield - have removed any mention of Clint Dempsey from their website after accidentally announcing his signing earlier today. Fulham, meanwhile, claim that "talks have taken place" about extending his contract at the club.

A Fulham spokesperson told BBC Sport: "It is totally not true. We have not received any bids."
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NESN only said about him joining the club on the short text part. Watching the video, it actually said that sources over here are claiming he'll sign by the end of the week.

Lots of talk that we're fairly close to agreeing a deal to get Joe Allen as well.
 
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Jose Enrique done a twitter chat today and someone asked which academy player impressed him the most. He said Ryan McLaughlin, and said he was playing right wing.

Ryan McLaughlin is playing on the right-wing. His intensity and passion to play - he can be a good player
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