FIFA 22 Discussion (Console Versions)

Had some amazing matches this afternoon
Same. I got hammered 0-4 by AI.
After saying I dont give any fouls away - got yellow card and gave penalty away.
Then was throwing the ball with the GK and AI came out of nowhere and just hammered it home first touch.
It was humiliating, but the variety is awesome. Had few 0-1's, 0-0's, won 2-1 (coming back from 0-1) and now this.
Fifa was always either goal fest, or no goals. This one is nicely balanced.
 
At the end of the trial i still can't stand the animation speed, as it is too deciding for the overall gameplay and the way the CPU plays. I will watch the thread closely and see what the next updates will bring along. I hope it will be in our favor.

As some sort of "legacy" i did an experiment which might be interesting to some of you. I set the dribbling and agility stats for a whole team to 1. Closely watch the player team movement (i tried to emphasize on turns, so please don't mind my careless build up play):


To me, it widely solved the twitchy animations during dribbling. Of course all individuality is lost and you still got unrealistic speed/skips at certain actions like ball reception. But ninja dribbling (like the following example of a sub-average bundesliga player) should be widely gone:


Maybe one day this can be useful to someone. I hope FIFA's grass will always be green to you!
 
CPU has been hammering in some screamers fro 25 yards. I also have a commentary error when playing in CM he will announce the game you are currently playing as a game coming up next week.
The cup hammered in one against me from what must have been 30 yards out. Flew in off the post.
The ai are brutal in this. Brilliant stuff.
 
What I love about PES is sometimes it randomness and unpredictabiliy. Is this present in the new Fifa?
Yes..but in that classic pes way not the modern.

I don’t think I’ve plateaued yet,I’m still finding stuff,finding new animations and having different experiences.Snuck a quick one in earlier and let’s just say all my efforts on goal went wide,we’re intercepted or just mishit.My players felt lathergic and everything I tried just was read by the cpu.I love that,it’s challenge on a varible scale.A goal would of made all the difference but the cpu did everything to not let me make my mark.It was the classic underdog raising its game and throwing everything at the bigger team.The beauty is I never felt CHEATED.The cpu just played football to win.Nothing boosted,no Barcelona like play.Just good honest football from West Ham.And they deserved it.

I just wish there was more calls from the refs.Because it would of been the perfect game.I deliberately subbed my two star players.And really should of been a man down after going all Vinnie Jones in the midfield.

Would love a referee strictness adjuster.One for offline so we get more fouls.And the option for those that like no fouls and just want the game to flow.I think both crowds could be pleased.
 
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I've also been completely crushed vs Milan with the same score lol. And i gotted an Europa league level team.
As i'm doing an UCL, it was with the 2nd game (I think it was on Dragao so at Home, while i managed to do 4-4 at Milan)

Not the first time it happens to me on the other game, but never ever on FIFA, + in Champion level. And when i think there's 2 difficulty above it... Well i think it's pretty good. But i must admit that my keeper was completely off on at least 2 goals, one very easy header and one shot with no power from long distance he could have easily take, i didn't yelled but insulted him (i think we all do that haha)
 
Yes..but in that classic pes way not the modern.

No, at the highest difficulty, i gotted the same stuff as i got now in FIFA, especially with scores. Depends how do you defend and determinated you're to win, but score aren't that predictable and goals neither as i've read. At all.
BUT where not on PES thread, There's a PES 2021 thread if you want to discuss mate. So sorry for the O.T., but i wanted to say it here because that's one main reason i like FIFA offline since a very very long time.
For not saying it's the first time, ever on FIFA 16 i didn't having it (i crushed a bit less the A.I. than on FIFA 20, but still won on Legendary too often)
 
Same. I got hammered 0-4 by AI.
After saying I dont give any fouls away - got yellow card and gave penalty away.
Then was throwing the ball with the GK and AI came out of nowhere and just hammered it home first touch.
It was humiliating, but the variety is awesome. Had few 0-1's, 0-0's, won 2-1 (coming back from 0-1) and now this.
Fifa was always either goal fest, or no goals. This one is nicely balanced.
I defend like you described a few pages back. I NEVER press the ‘foot-in’ button. I hold the bumper (jockey I think its called?) and keep position with left stick. In this FIFA I gave a penalty away with this method because the CPU tripped over my standing leg. Looked so realistic when it happened - it was a debatable penalty but the way the CPU forward did a step over and then used my player’s leg to win the penalty looked so cool. I saved the resulting penalty too!

Defending in this feels so rewarding, I actually enjoy doing it. There’s a skill to it for sure and if you step out of your defensive shape too soon the CPU takes advantage quickly. It’s why the FUT heads hate this game.

The standing tackle button or whatever it’s called is what opponents spam online - you can always tell if someone you’re playing against has no idea about defending because you see them spamming that button :LOL:
 
It still has a FIFA feel to movement etc. and modern PES fans seem to hate that basic feel (I don't exactly love it, but I can put up with it to enjoy the AI and the general variety).
I wouldn't exactly call myself a PES fan, I found 18-20 a lot better than the same year's FIFA, but to me FIFA 22 looks like more of the same.

The same skating, sliding, twitching, crab walking, 1v1 shit-for-brains defensive AI, physics-defying ball movements (ball pinging off from a soft contact header/pass), ice hockey passing etc.

Sure, it's better than 21, the shittiest FIFA and one of the worst football games ever, but it's still 95%+ the same game. To me even a "good" modern Frostbite FIFA isn't a good football game.

If you guys enjoy that then fair enough, will be interesting to see if the positivity sticks around in 6 months time.
 
Question for you Career Mode players: do you have more than one save going on at a time eg. Will you have a Serie A and a Premier League save and alternate between the two?

And how long do you stick with a save? I’ve seen people on Reddit post screenshots of like their 10th season! I’ve never got past 2 seasons in any FIFA :LOL:
 
I wouldn't exactly call myself a PES fan, I found 18-20 a lot better than the same year's FIFA, but to me FIFA 22 looks like more of the same.

The same skating, sliding, twitching, crab walking, 1v1 shit-for-brains defensive AI, physics-defying ball movements (ball pinging off from a soft contact header/pass), ice hockey passing etc.

Sure, it's better than 21, the shittiest FIFA and one of the worst football games ever, but it's still 95%+ the same game. To me even a "good" modern Frostbite FIFA isn't a good football game.

If you guys enjoy that then fair enough, will be interesting to see if the positivity sticks around in 6 months time.
I was waiting for you to pop up in here! :LOL:

I can't really disagree with you - and we all want the things you want. Where we are isn't anywhere close to good enough when you consider the tech, the things that could be happening, and the things they could attempt. But this is the real world, sadly.

I begrudgingly accept that EA will probably only ever create a single yearly release for all gamers. For the rest of my life, FIFA will be a balance of barely any realism, and FUT shit. (Currently, you boot FIFA and some anime stadium banners are advertised to you...)

So imagine my shock when the balance has moved slightly, SLIGHTLY, in our favour from a realism point-of-view. It barely makes sense!

I can only play PES 5 or FIFA 16 (my benchmarks) for so long before I go, actually, I need a change. Even FIFA 16 has got to the point where I often find myself thinking "so many 0-0s, I'm old, I want a tiny bit of a thrill even if it means sacrificing some realism".

Though obviously not to a silly degree (to me, 22 isn't a silly degree, but to you, I know it is).

The way I see it, I'm in the Sahara and desperate for water. (I play football games, and only football games, and I want to play a new one.) Every day, I've been offered a different glass of nails from Konami with a different date on the glass, and a glass of slugs from EA. This year, Konami's offering is just broken glass. EA's is murky water.

While you're waiting for distilled mountain water that's crisp and refreshing (because you're not desperate - you're not in the Sahara), I'll take the step in the right direction. I am surprised I can enjoy it, but it turns out, even though it's sour, I can.

We all have absolute "musts" - mine is some variety in the AI. Give me that and it turns out I can notice, but not be bothered by, a lot of things.
 
Personnally i think that's something else than "skating" which is annoying some people. But the glued ball to the feet like Muller exemple some page ago, i mean the guy is turning with the ball, not pushing it, and the ball was folling his feet like if there was a magnet in the ball and on his shoes.

I suppose that kind of stuff happens way more often than we think but we don't see it when we play, and it should be adressed to Fifa community. Those are "tricks" and gameplay choice, not bugs.

Or the supper fast feint from almost 5-10 pages ago, it's not necessary to make it that fast and not Esport or whatever, as it's cosmetic.
 
No, at the highest difficulty, i gotted the same stuff as i got now in FIFA, especially with scores. Depends how do you defend and determinated you're to win, but score aren't that predictable and goals neither as i've read. At all.
BUT where not on PES thread, There's a PES 2021 thread if you want to discuss mate. So sorry for the O.T., but i wanted to say it here because that's one main reason i like FIFA offline since a very very long time.
For not saying it's the first time, ever on FIFA 16 i didn't having it (i crushed a bit less the A.I. than on FIFA 20, but still won on Legendary too often)
It was a simple question,not the pros and cons of each game or a difference in comparison.I don’t think I will be going into the Pes21 thread to say something someone else is freely asking on a fifa22 thread.Simply just offering my thoughts.

People just want a range of opinions from experienced pes players like yourself to gauge whether this iteration is worthy of purchase(that’s all).
 
No prob, it was legit, just we try to not talking about PES here and comparing. We don't compare current Mortal Kombat to Street Fighter / except the number of character and the modes. The rest is a complete different approach, even if it still two 2D gameplay fighting game (3D gameplay is Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Dead or Alive etc.)
 
At the end of the trial i still can't stand the animation speed, as it is too deciding for the overall gameplay and the way the CPU plays. I will watch the thread closely and see what the next updates will bring along. I hope it will be in our favor.

As some sort of "legacy" i did an experiment which might be interesting to some of you. I set the dribbling and agility stats for a whole team to 1. Closely watch the player team movement (i tried to emphasize on turns, so please don't mind my careless build up play):


To me, it widely solved the twitchy animations during dribbling. Of course all individuality is lost and you still got unrealistic speed/skips at certain actions like ball reception. But ninja dribbling (like the following example of a sub-average bundesliga player) should be widely gone:


Maybe one day this can be useful to someone. I hope FIFA's grass will always be green to you!
These are some nice slow turns. So you set AI and user team value via slider or edited the players sprint and agility stats?
 
Does anyone know regarding the Fifa trial.. Ive downloaded and played the 10 hour trial.
If I log into my mates account (on my ps4) and buy a EA pass and the fifa 22 game (both on his account, but on my ps4) will it mean I can have another 10 hour trial?

Really want to retry it with the sliders mentioned here before commiting to buying it.
 
These are some nice slow turns. So you set AI and user team value via slider or edited the players sprint and agility stats?
He says he edited the dribbling and agility attributes.

Does anyone know regarding the Fifa trial.. Ive downloaded and played the 10 hour trial.
If I log into my mates account (on my ps4) and buy a EA pass and the fifa 22 game (both on his account, but on my ps4) will it mean I can have another 10 hour trial?
That's right!
 
These are some nice slow turns. So you set AI and user team value via slider or edited the players sprint and agility stats?
I just edited the player controlled team (1.FC Köln) by going in each player's individual stats (dribbling and agility) and set them to 1, as you can't access them via sliders. So you can compare the edited and regular team directly in one match.
 
On world class I'm getting done on semi 4-0 by top European teams in my league . I've gone to manual professional for a bit now to take a breather but that's not.easy either
Haha I'm playing on World class with West Ham. I've won my recent games pretty easy I feel, scoring 3-4 goals, I'm 9-2-2. I switched to semi, everything but lob passes, but as I said earlier Semi is almost like assisted, Fifa 20 was much harder in that aspect playing on semi ground passes. Here assisted and semi is almost identical. But my game vs Man city last night felt totally different and my winning streak came to an end losing 2-0, almost like I played on much harder difficulty haha it was a big difference to other teams I've played, only Man United did play similar and that's only game I restarted 3 times(at the start of my career conceding 3-4 goals vs them) winning 3-2 in a complete turnaround haha was thinking of switching to legendary but man city game made me think again, or I'll maybe put pass error a bit higher for q better feel, try it out. Will see how it goes vs Chelsea in my next game and decide..won against Liverpool 3-1 yesterday before the loss to man city.
 
Even with set to 1, it's still pretty agile. I think those stats start to have an effect after 75-80 but above below (corrected) the difference is very very slight.


EDIT/ Like from 10 to 50 or 50 to 70, you won't feel that much the difference.

Perhaps if you set down "Balance" the player will be less fast when turning @philla ? I saw that Big player have very low Balance and move in a more heavy way. Try also to change the weight (you can't do it with an existing player, you have to create it
 
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He says he edited the dribbling and agility attributes.


That's right!
Chris, I saw you also mentioning the passing. I just replied to hitmanuk regarding that and World class difficulty. Semi passing really is almost identical to assisted, at least the ground passes, started to feel pretty easy in some games on World class before I lost to Man city. It was like a completely different game. Thinking of switching to legendary or just bump up the passing error try it out. Or maybe it's best to try take the PL title first and then change haha I'm up there with City and Liverpool after 14 games, one point difference. Would like semi to be more loose like Fifa 20's passing was, brings better feel and gameplay. Don't know why they tuned it or maybe it's an issue in the game..
 
I was waiting for you to pop up in here! :LOL:

I can't really disagree with you - and we all want the things you want. Where we are isn't good enough when you consider the tech, the things that could be happening, and the things they could attempt. But this is the real world, sadly.

I begrudgingly accept that EA will probably only ever make one game and try to satisfy all gamers. For the rest of my life, it's going to be a balance of barely any realism, and FUT shit. (Currently, you boot FIFA and some anime stadium banners are advertised to you...)

So imagine my shock when the balance has moved slightly, SLIGHTLY, in our favour from a realism point-of-view. It barely makes sense!

I can only play PES 5 or FIFA 16 (my benchmarks) for so long before I go, actually, I need a change. Even FIFA 16 has got to the point where I often find myself thinking "so many 0-0s, I'm old, I want a tiny bit of a thrill even if it means sacrificing some realism".

Though obviously not to a silly degree (to me, 22 isn't a silly degree, but to you, I know it is).

The way I see it, I'm in the Sahara and desperate for water. (I play football games, and only football games, and I want to play a new one.) Every day, I've been offered a different glass of nails from Konami with a different date on the glass, and a glass of slugs from EA. This year, Konami's offering is just broken glass. EA's is murky water.

While you're waiting for distilled mountain water that's crisp and refreshing (because you're not desperate - you're not in the Sahara), I'll take the step in the right direction. I am surprised I can enjoy it, but it turns out, I can.

We all have absolute "musts" - mine is some variety in the AI. Give me that and it turns out I can notice, but not be bothered by, a lot of things.
I'll probably stay out of here from now on, unless there's some progress on the lootbox bans (conveniently gone silent to let this FIFA launch scot-free).

I suppose I'm not desperate for a football game each year, I can happily play better games for other sports or other genres instead of forcing myself to play the current football games, which is now FIFA alone - I'm not even going to boost eFootball's download count.

And yes, it's sad really to think about, but I admit that the reality of it is probably that for the rest of our lives it's going to be this formula. 3 generations now (PS3-5) without a proper rebuild/reimagining of a football game. By the time they string this out to the end of the PS5 generation, it'll be about 20 years since they built something from scratch and I wouldn't bet on them doing so for the PS6 either.

Tolerating FIFA 22 because it's a football game and it's not as bad as the last few, fine, I get that... Raving about it saying it's really good (as many seem to be), I can't see it, but I wish I could think that about a football game again. I feel like if even the sim-minded niche readily accepts this kind of product with little changes (even if they're "in the right direction"), it kills off any glimmer of hope for something better.

Anyway I'm out of here, may keep an eye on the eFootball thread to laugh at it but won't be playing either game this year.
 
That's another thing to add to the list. We should make one btw. With proof or course, like the vids from @philla but for that, it's more a feeling we all gotted. I personnaly thinked first that i was a bit more used to Semi so less issues with it, but if you all told that it's more assisted...

"Tolerating", you found the word i wanted to say about that version @rojofa . But i agree there's many things better, as we talked about AI and at least in Stadia, the directions changes by far less robotic for example.

Now i'm waiting safier sliders sets. It's pretty hard to do, so it may take time, ftm the one posted are a bit... Troublesome.
 
I can't really disagree with you
I can. And I disagree. :LOL:
This might look similar to F21 when you watch the clips - I thought that myself.
But when you play it and find the right settings - its a whole different level.
I dare to say that AI is more varied and unpredictable than it was even on F16.
F16 AI was solid, smart, but to a point - predictable. They were doing what you would normally do.
Here, on multiple occasions, I was expecting a shot when they passed the ball, or the other way around. They dribble, they shoot from distance, they'll cut you down if you are open on goal (like good old days).
This feels like Fifa 16.2 AI and for this alone - this is one of the best football games released in good few years.
It might not be a looker and skating might still be there, but damn - it plays good!
 
Even with set to 1, it's still pretty agile. I think those stats start to have an effect after 75-80 but above below (corrected) the difference is very very slight.


EDIT/ Like from 10 to 50 or 50 to 70, you won't feel that much the difference.

Perhaps if you set down "Balance" the player will be less fast when turning @philla ? I saw that Big player have very low Balance and move in a more heavy way. Try also to change the weight (you can't do it with an existing player, you have to create it
Yes, other values may be effective as well. Just took these two because they are the most obvious and it works very well at PES, too. And the trial clock was ticking...
 
one time i had Neuer spotting Werner up front... for a very long high ball... ball gets down behind the opponents defensive line, Werner putting in top gear and running like hell... 1on1 with the keeper... he did not score! :D

like in the other games i played, switching sides is a thing i really like to do a lot because the ball in the air (when animated properly) is a beauty to watch plus you are forcing the AI team out of shape a bit.
same with long high balls behind the defense (when i want Sane to shine and hes making a run for it already...).
What do you use on manual for these passes? L1+O? L1+ /\? Or just O?
 
I can. And I disagree. :LOL:
This might look similar to F21 when you watch the clips - I thought that myself.
But when you play it and find the right settings - its a whole different level.
I dare to say that AI is more varied and unpredictable than it was even on F16.
F16 AI was solid, smart, but to a point - predictable. They were doing what you would normally do.
Here, on multiple occasions, I was expecting a shot when they passed the ball, or the other way around. They dribble, they shoot from distance, they'll cut you down if you are open on goal (like good old days).
This feels like Fifa 16.2 AI and for this alone - this is one of the best football games released in good few years.
It might not be a looker and skating might still be there, but damn - it plays good!

I agree, in everything regarding unpredictability and variety. F21 was totally different from what i played. F20 too, well there's no big differences with 21, but a bit less offensive.
(except my taste about FIFA 16 was just "just above good" due too the feeling about Ignite limitations in physics transformation / and my favourite will always still the 11 then then 14 on PS3 but well, another story ;) )
 
Is there a way to stop your CB’s from just opening up the entire middle of the pitch and letting the AI forwards through on goal? It’s ridiculous.
 
What do you use on manual for these passes? L1+O? L1+ /\? Or just O?
Do you mean the keeper part? I think that’s not actually manual.

side switches I do in multiple ways. Driven ones with R2 (regular R1), loopy ones with L1 or normal ones with the button you have crossing assigned to (I have it set to square).
 
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