FIFA 22 Discussion (Console Versions)

Let's be honest, this game is getting worse every year. They're so deep in FUT World now that there's no returning from it.

It's all on Konami to deliver something - and that's a scary thought in itself :LOL:

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I thought that said 'Explosive Shits' for a split second. I've had the shits this week so must be playing on my mind.
 
Mikhail said:
Let's be honest, this game is getting worse every year. They're so deep in FUT World now that there's no returning from it.

It's all on Konami to deliver something - and that's a scary thought in itself :LOL:


I thought that said 'Explosive Shits' for a split second. I've had the shits this week so must be playing on my mind.
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Gaming has changed and the revolving door of online & microtransactions will never stop spinning as it makes companys more money then the base copy or even a new game ever could.

One day we will get one client of FIFA that will last for a few years and they'll keep updating it like Fortnite.

Why do you think Rockstar are stuck on GTA V. There's not enough to justify making a whole new game when they're probably making as much money just keeping people playing the existing one.
 
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Stats like this make me realise that shouting about how serious FIFA needs to get is truly "old man shouting at clouds" territory. We are not the audience. Look what it's sandwiched between. When will I finally accept it...
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I don't necessarily agree with this. They've nailed UT no doubt but even all the people I know who aren't football game nerds like us, hate so much of the game. The biggest issue is there's no real alternative.

PES has a few things going for it but as a package is is severely lacking and miles off what you'd expect from a football game in 2021. FIFA at least feels like a modern day game albeit with a load of its own issues.

Football is the most popular sport on the planet, people will buy a football game if it exists, no matter how bad. Fortunately for EA they're being given a free run at the market by Konami who seem happy just to tick over in certain territories. With that in mind, EA only have to worry about the market that gives them that sweet UT revenue knowing they won't lose anyone else as a consequence.

It really is time for a new player in the market but given the complexity of making a football game and the power/brand of FIFA, I can't see it happening maybe even ever. Only real hope is another studio buying the PES franchise.
 
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Gaming has changed and the revolving door of online & microtransactions will never stop spinning as it makes companys more money then the base copy or even a new game ever could.

One day we will get one client of FIFA that will last for a few years and they'll keep updating it like Fortnite.

Why do you think Rockstar are stuck on GTA V. There's not enough to justify making a whole new game when they're probably making as much money just keeping people playing the existing one.
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This is a depressingly accurate post. It's why I have no expectations for FIFA and PES now. Especially FIFA, which as I say, is so far gone from a single player's perspective. No amount of sliders and setting changes will save the eSports focused franchise now. It's over, it's done.*

*Unless you still enjoy the series of course. If fast paced, end-to-end action which doesn't represent the actual sport we all love is your thing then FIFA will keep you coming back for more.
 
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Hyperactive? Why so twitchy guys? Zombie plague? Midfield is certainly a barren wasteland.

These three guys are like the horsemen of the apocalypse. I imagine the fourth one is wondering around aimlessly off camera, waiting to be activated by whichever evil adolescent mastermind controls these buffoons.

Is that chelsea? If so, amazing what your revolutionary tech does. It's so advanced, its lobotomised perhaps the most alert, relentless, tactically aware defensive cover midfielder in the history of the game and left him terrified to leave the centre circle while a team literally charges unmolested at his penalty area with one guy letting fly a rocket from 20 yards without so much as lifting his leg first.

I can accept all the nonsense fifa throws at us, I've managed to enjoy 19 and 20 with klebstar sliders. But in any age of hyper-systemised football, pressing, midfield never relenting, the red zone at the D being defended like lives depend on it, fifa completely neutering the midfield is one step too far.
 
MafiaMurderBag said:
Gaming has changed and the revolving door of online & microtransactions will never stop spinning as it makes companys more money then the base copy or even a new game ever could.

One day we will get one client of FIFA that will last for a few years and they'll keep updating it like Fortnite.

Why do you think Rockstar are stuck on GTA V. There's not enough to justify making a whole new game when they're probably making as much money just keeping people playing the existing one.
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This is very true but equally, are people more tolerant knowing there will be a new one? Especially with huge games like GTA which we know will never be annual.

I think people would become bored very quickly if they thought this was the end game with only minor updates to come (regards FIFA not GTA). People may even become less tolerant of flaws knowing they had to wait at least 2 years for resolution. I think it's a balance but until there true competition it's a moot point tbh.
 
FIFA is worst than Call of Duty and the other mundane annual update ever was. It's new kits, some new marketing jarg, different colour splash screens and there you go - there's your new FIFA. Every. Single. Year.

These 'Game Changers' - what do they actually do? A genuine question, not an attack on them. Because the game is always dog shit and has been since FIFA 16 ish.
 
Mikhail said:
These 'Game Changers' - what do they actually do? A genuine question, not an attack on them. Because the game is always dog shit and has been since FIFA 16 ish.
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From what I know, there are a LOT of them, and the majority ARE getting what they want. More responsive gameplay, defenders who don't know how to defend until you control them yourself (they have literally just disabled the code for making players aware of their job, so that they don't "defend for you" and therefore help you "cheat" when you're playing online)...

Again. We are (certainly, I am) "old man shouting at cloud". I'm the idiot for hoping it'll be a representation of football every year. It is Fortnite with a football now. That's their aim. Make it fast, fun and addictive. With all your favourite teams and players. Crack for kids. It's a winning formula.

Me hoping that EA finally see us, is the equivalent of walking into McDonald's every week and asking if they're serving fettuccini alfredo yet. Happy Meals make them billions. Why would they spend more money on branching out to serve two different audiences, when the most lucrative audience is at their door every day begging for more of the same?

And PES isn't any different.

The painful thing is that, as others here will attest, FIFA 16 was so good. I've said it several times, but I swear, Simon Humber's death was the death of the representation of the real football fan.
 
Mikhail said:
fast paced, end-to-end action which doesn't represent the actual sport we all love
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Honestly, you're just describing the actual sport. In all 34 league matches, Bayern basically plays against opponents that hoof the ball forward whenever they can. These teams are not interested in having a midfield, they are not interested in having ball possession for more than a few seconds.

I think the core problem of many people here is that they don't like the direction the actual sport has taken.
 
Chris Davies said:
From what I know, there are a LOT of them, and the majority ARE getting what they want. More responsive gameplay, defenders who don't know how to defend until you control them yourself (they have literally just disabled the code for making players aware of their job, so that they don't "defend for you" and therefore help you "cheat" when you're playing online)...

Again. We are (certainly, I am) "old man shouting at cloud". I'm the idiot for hoping it'll be a representation of football every year. It is Fortnite with a football now. That's their aim. Make it fast, fun and addictive. With all your favourite teams and players.
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It's insane to me, even online, that people would want this!? Whenever I've played FIFA multiplayer, the issues are WORSE. Everyone knows how to exploit the game and it's mechanics and it just becomes a game of who does that better.

Tbf I almost solely play offline though, used to play online religiously on 08/09 and maybe 10 until I started seeing Evra up top Etc. Was and is a shambles.
 
majuh said:
Honestly, you're just describing the actual sport. In all 34 league matches, Bayern basically plays against opponents that hoof the ball forward whenever they can. These teams are not interested in having a midfield, they are not interested in having ball possession for more than a few seconds.

I think the core problem of many people here is that they don't like the direction the actual sport has taken.
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With the greatest respect, this is most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read on evo web and I hope that you’re joking.

If you think that a match on FIFA 21 represents a Bundelisga game in real life then I don’t know what to say.
 
majuh said:
Honestly, you're just describing the actual sport. In all 34 league matches, Bayern basically plays against opponents that hoof the ball forward whenever they can. These teams are not interested in having a midfield, they are not interested in having ball possession for more than a few seconds.

I think the core problem of many people here is that they don't like the direction the actual sport has taken.
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I'm assuming this is meant to be ironic? What has the direction that the actual game has taken have anything to do with fifa 21? They have nothing in common.

The actual game is as complex as it's ever been, teams constantly trying to make space in midfield to create overloads, because teams defend as a single unit so well, drilling in automations, innovating with players positions, just to find some advantage on what has become the smallest pitch in the history of football, because players are so well drilled and so fit.

That's the actual direction the game is travelling in. It's the complete opposite of wherever fifa is going.
 
majuh said:
Honestly, you're just describing the actual sport. In all 34 league matches, Bayern basically plays against opponents that hoof the ball forward whenever they can. These teams are not interested in having a midfield, they are not interested in having ball possession for more than a few seconds.

I think the core problem of many people here is that they don't like the direction the actual sport has taken.
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We are all entitled to our opinions. But this generalisation about modern football... You cannot be serious.

In the very genuine hope - sincerely - of getting you to see how your bias is affecting your judgement here, I've just typed "best goals 2021" into YouTube and this is the first clip:



Let's break down each of the first five goals.

(Notice how they're generally all struck from range because the scorer can't break through the midfield and/or defence alone, BTW.)

1) Maddison. Defender is close enough to almost block the shot, because he is pressing. Maddison is also being pressed by a midfielder. As the shot flies, you can see Barnes being tracked all the way into the box by the defender. Very little room for Leicester to play in... The reason Maddison is shooting from so far out, is that he can't get through the midfield or the defence... The "modern direction of the actual sport" (a bereft midfield) that you describe is not on show here.

Nor could you manually control all those defending players at once in FIFA, to make them all press (and nor would any "quick tactic" option achieve this with any actual success).

2) Pogba. Three West Ham defenders bunch together between the D of the box. They are incredibly tightly packed, not spread over practically the entire width of the pitch, because the danger is in the middle. That's what defenders do!!! But crucially, not in FIFA. Once again, you can't even force that to happen because you can only control one player at once, and the defensive AI does nothing, because "eSport".

Why is he shooting from range? Because he can't break through the defenders. There are no huge gaps between them all. They're covering the danger zone perfectly - but the shot is perfection.

3) Son. When he scores, an opposing midfielder is 2-3ft away from him (though not engaging him). The midfielder to his right is blocking a passing lane. That midfielder is not, crucially, standing there watching. Or standing further up the pitch, ready to counter. You wouldn't do that when this situation is developing.

4) Lanzini. Being pressed by an opponent. A V-shape of six defenders, with an extra guy in the middle, trying to block the shot. In FIFA you'd have a back line spread out, all players except one ignoring the play, with one man (who you control) pressing, and midfielders getting ready to counter. Which does not represent real football when such a dangerous situation has developed - this clip is very clearly impossible to recreate in FIFA without you playing with five mates.

5) Salah. Free kick. Tempted to skip this one, because you never get a free kick in FIFA against the AI (because the gaps are so wide, and players so fast, you never get close enough to anyone for that to happen).

But watch the close-up replay. There's a tight wall of four defenders blocking the goal itself. Again, you simply cannot do that in FIFA (and nor does the AI) because you can only control one player, and the other three will spread out for all those "1v1 battles".

So...

My challenge to you.

Based on the latest 10-second snippet of FIFA 22 gameplay.

Show me several clips from the 2020/2021 season, at the top level, of a player running, UNCHALLENGED, from his own half through an entirely empty midfield, where the entire opposition is running away from the oncoming player(s) at all times and never press the runner for a SECOND, despite the opposition having an entire defensive line back and in-front of the goalkeeper.

Because that's FIFA. Non-stop counter attacks all game long with no midfield battles and no physical contact between players (thanks to the HUGE gaps all over the pitch). Which isn't football. Modern football or otherwise. It's Fortniteball. Designed to hook you on how easy it is to score.

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EDIT: Look, a valid argument is "FIFA has to condense a 90 minute game into 10 minutes, some things can't be realistic or every game would be 0-0, and this is just how they make games exciting now". But "FIFA represents modern football and you old dinosaurs just don't get it" is total, easily proveable bollocks.
 
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Chris Davies said:
EDIT: Look, a valid argument is "FIFA has to condense a 90 minute game into 10 minutes, some things can't be realistic or every game would be 0-0, and this is just how they make games exciting now". But "FIFA represents modern football and you old dinosaurs just don't get it" is total, easily proveable bollocks.
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Even then, one can easily point to dozens of better football games that condensed a 90 minute game into 10 minutes and still managed to include defending, fouls and a midfield. Much better games, like fifa 14, 16 & 17, come to mind and they're not even 20 years old from the stone ages.

But yeah 1v1 bollocks and dumb AI defenders hitting invisible walls and not following runs, not only is not modern football, it's not football, period.

Football is about creating & covering space. There's nothing of the sort when there's no defending and space is just there ready to be exploited. Football has been surgically removed from "football" games.

FIFA & PES are currently NOT football games, no matter what many fifa/pes fans think.
 
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The close-up graphics in FIFA 21 are already very good. We should have more gameplays on the 20th.

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Yes, I know, it looks amazing.. realistic? maybe not (Alison here looks better than he is in real life ) but looks amazing. A talk about that :
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That why I have some suspicions that can be some CGI
But yeah, I believe if EA wants to make faking realistic LOOKING, not playing but looking at the game, they can do it.
 
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Yes, I know, it looks amazing.. realistic? maybe not (Alison here looks better than he is in real life ) but looks amazing. A talk about that :
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That why I have some suspicions that can be some CGI
But yeah, I believe if EA wants to make faking realistic LOOKING, not playing but looking at the game, they can do it.
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Game graphics are depending on the device you have.
I've never seen such a poor graphics on FIFA games since PS3 era.
 
Chris Davies said:
He then follows that up with:



"I'm sure AI issues will persist" - says to me that, given he's seen a little of what's being worked on, AI isn't part of it.

He's also very much of the opinion that nobody ever tracks back in FIFA 21, so I always keep an eye out for his comments.
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No one can tell me that there is any hope now for FIFA, just no hope, I had a little hope for 21 on next-gen (for some reason I don't know), but as of now for the unforeseeable future, I have no hope in the franchise. I know people completely shit on PES nowadays too but at least with reducing the gameplay speed and offline 1v1 it still respects some what football principles and lets you play some football, so I will always have hope in Konami somehow even if we all know they need to make money to satisfy the yearly goals as a company and in a way that also allows them to invest it in the game, and we know Konami care more about Master League than EA do about Career mode, so I'll always have hope in Konami to some extent even if it's less but I don't think I will have any hope in EA unless there is a huge changing at the top and an actual Gameplay director who wants to make a football game which plays like football , even bad fifa releases (bad to me) like FIFA 13 still with it's really fast pace managed to play football in a sense.
 
Chris Davies said:
From what I know, there are a LOT of them, and the majority ARE getting what they want. More responsive gameplay, defenders who don't know how to defend until you control them yourself (they have literally just disabled the code for making players aware of their job, so that they don't "defend for you" and therefore help you "cheat" when you're playing online)...

Again. We are (certainly, I am) "old man shouting at cloud". I'm the idiot for hoping it'll be a representation of football every year. It is Fortnite with a football now. That's their aim. Make it fast, fun and addictive. With all your favourite teams and players. Crack for kids. It's a winning formula.

Me hoping that EA finally see us, is the equivalent of walking into McDonald's every week and asking if they're serving fettuccini alfredo yet. Happy Meals make them billions. Why would they spend more money on branching out to serve two different audiences, when the most lucrative audience is at their door every day begging for more of the same?

And PES isn't any different.

The painful thing is that, as others here will attest, FIFA 16 was so good. I've said it several times, but I swear, Simon Humber's death was the death of the representation of the real football fan.
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I think FIFA got worse after these "game changers" were included in the design process. I think 1v1 was one of their feedback.
 
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