eFootball (All Platforms)

[PRO_TOO]

1v1 with 20 players standing around watching actually sounds like a step up from recent Pes - 1v perfect tackle (body checking) A.I, with 20 players immediately running away from the ball.

But hey, it's all good, they've got Pique on zoom calls giving them defending advice now.

The more I think about it... the more it makes sense...

Pique = “pick e” aka "pick €-...!

edit: still, there is this feeling of Konami doing a Miroslav Slepicka in our face!

 

[Danny Henry]

There’s no one excited for eFootball is there? I can’t see one person, even on Twitter, who’s looking forward to this steaming pile of mess.

Konami are so out of touch with their fanbase it’s unreal (engine).

I give eFootball two years in its new form and then they pull the plug on it completely, I just don’t see it being a success at all.

@vialli82

 

[Sami 1999]

Let's not underestimate mobile players and general f2p online players. Pretty sure this game won't die out in 2 years.

But the quality of the game might drop and gameplay will lean towards something that we won't enjoy.

 

[elloco]

F2P doesn't mean that the game had no base or players... Look at:

CS:GO
DOTA 2
APEX
Fortnite
League of Legends

The one thing that really kicks ass is that the offline Fanbase doesn't get some serious modes in the beginning. thats really annoying

BUT the whole F2P concept is not killing PES or E Football... IF Konami had kicked in with an absolute epic UE NG Hyper E Football trailer
most of this negativity here where done BUT we talked about that crap pile of the shit trailer, a roadmap only Konami understand, and communication like
in North Korea....

F2P is not part of that problem, Konami take a nap for the last "3years" and now try to deliver something, that's the Problem!

 

[Peter Withe]

F2P doesn't mean that the game had no base or players... Look at:

CS:GO
DOTA 2
APEX
Fortnite
League of Legends

The one thing that really kicks ass is that the offline Fanbase doesn't get some serious modes in the beginning. thats really annoying

BUT the whole F2P concept is not killing PES or E Football... IF Konami had kicked in with an absolute epic UE NG Hyper E Football trailer
most of this negativity here where done BUT we talked about that crap pile of the shit trailer, a roadmap only Konami understand, and communication like
in North Korea....

F2P is not part of that problem, Konami take a nap for the last "3years" and now try to deliver something, that's the Problem!

I don’t think F2P is the problem and you make good points in your post.

The issue is: Konami haven’t got an established online model. Fortnite and Counter Strike etc were already good (if you like that kind of thing) online.

PES has a terrible reputation when it comes to the online side of things. Take a quick look at Twitter replies or Reddit; everyone always complaining about laggy servers, taking forever to get matches against an opponent etc etc.

Who honestly trusts Konami to launch a game ready-to-go on Day 1? And Fortnite etc were already the best in their own categories. Online PES isn’t - it’s competition is FUT which is far more popular and already established as the biggest player in the fantasy card football card/player collecting genre.

Who is going to download eFootball for single player? 1% of their player base? I won’t be playing Man Utd v Juventus exhibition games for a year until eFootball 2.0 that’s for sure.

So Konami have basically put all of their eggs in one basket. They’re hoping that everyone who plays it invests their money in myClub. Unless I’m missing something here and Konami are getting funds from other parties here? I just don’t understand their business model.

Surely the lack of actual game sales will hurt PES?

 

[elloco]

PES has a terrible reputation when it comes to the online side of things

you are absolutely right, but they did the homework with dedicated servers, so I hope, the quality of online gaming will be much improved.

if they will deliver a quality good football game? I doubt it but in terms of connection quality, I think that part will be really improved.

 

[༺Ƥeຮ༻]

There’s no one excited for eFootball is there? I can’t see one person, even on Twitter, who’s looking forward to this steaming pile of mess.

Konami are so out of touch with their fanbase it’s unreal (engine).

I give eFootball two years in its new form and then they pull the plug on it completely, I just don’t see it being a success at all.

Well... its all Konаmi's fault... for last 2 years we got one AWFUL, maybe the worst game trailer of all times and awful press release with bad news that which raises more questions than answers. All we see so far is incompetence, how to be excited ? ... wow I even forgot there was a mess called New Football Game.

 

[Peter Withe]

you are absolutely right, but they did the homework with dedicated servers, so I hope, the quality of online gaming will be much improved.

if they will deliver a quality good football game? I doubt it but in terms of connection quality, I think that part will be really improved.

I don’t see it. They’ve had so many years to get multiplayer sorted, especially as myClub was bringing them in money - even then, the match connection were terrible quality more often than not.

I just can’t see how Konami will get a launch right - they’ve not managed to do so for years. When was the last good launch that impressed everyone? Even the ‘better’ games like PES 2013 had bizarre shit like magic boots which everyone hated and they eventually had to patch it.

I don’t trust Konami with getting small things right like getting Serie A kits right let alone bigger issues such as an efficient server infrastructure. As a company, they’re completely inept and so detached from the modern gaming scene that it just makes me wonder what the hell they’re smoking at Konami HQ.

 

[Rip-IssPesFifa]

Let's not underestimate mobile players and general f2p online players. Pretty sure this game won't die out in 2 years.

But the quality of the game might drop and gameplay will lean towards something that we won't enjoy.

Yeah we already know the mobile game is a massive success so if consoles add to that success im sure Konami will be over the moon.

The new football game test was so bland but will that bother your average casual fan that can play for free and spend some money on it now and then? Think they'l like it tbh not having to fork out 70 quid on a game. Cannot believe Fifa costs 70 quid and yet they make billions off of UT, Pure greed.

 

[hitmanuk]

Yeah we already know the mobile game is a massive success so if consoles add to that success im sure Konami will be over the moon.

The new football game test was so bland but will that bother your average casual fan that can play for free and spend some money on it now and then? Think they'l like it tbh not having to fork out 70 quid on a game. Cannot believe Fifa costs 70 quid and yet they make billions off of UT, Pure greed.

You will find it cheaper than that if you shop around plus if you like FIFAs gameplay then with all the modes its good value for money.

 

[martyl2]

That actually sounds like they have ideas and plans for it.

Ideas and plans are always different to what turns out to be reality with Konami unfortunately

 

[vialli82]

@vialli82

Lol, not really to be honest, it's just that i don't care having F2P, changin name, and DLC to buy for modes. That didn't tilted me.
.... But since @The_Knight talked about the difficulty to Konami to makes different system of animations... See my answer if you want about it, i'm a bit less confident. Having PS3.5 dowgraded version, far less good than PES 17 to 21, but with outstanding photorealistic graphics...

Photorealism is the thing i care the less to be honest, except models, real sizes representation. And also the possibilities of faces creation with the IG editor to making looks a creation more lookalike naturally than what we got. In fact "player / pitch representation", nothing really related to super lighting or whatever super details.
And that's what i thinked it was doable, two version, one dowgraded in all. It's still not impossible but our mate told us about the difficulties encountered... I thinked honestely "Yeah, super... An hybrid game on PS5, with mobile gameplay, but with super graphics like if we playing a click and play with real pictures, perhaps some animations transistions in more and that's all".

So no. I've become really sceptic about what the game will looks like since @The_Knight post about animations as i asked about it, and he seems to be more "inside" Konami stuff than anyone i encountered.
On the other side, let's say that i'm the one who cares less, and isn't that much affected by that. I'm even astonished that they've make it against EA, playing in the same ground (AAA games) so long. Now if there weren't all those shitty licences and exclusives stuffs, i really think the story would have been different. Even if Kojima left them with an engine they didn't know how to handle or super hard to change a simple thing.

Btw i wanted, but no from what i saw i won't buy the first "real next gen" game on PS5. It's looking too awful, even don't want to try it. It will be retro, nothing or in a miracle case where next gen is really different than cross-mobile, efootball. But i've got a bit less thrust now to be honest / That doesn't mean that i said we already knows everything, and i'm still in "just wait for later, it's out in automn" position, we can be totally right, we can be totally wrong. Same like i've always been every year even for FIFA, So...

 

[lilicesar]

Will konami give us another back stab again next week?

 

[Dscru]

Will konami give us another back stab again next week?

Backstab? Tbh, I feel like they've been stabbin' us in the bollocks repeatedly with a red hot poker, while staring at us in the eyes whispering 'it's OK, it's gonna be OK.' yr after yr after yr.

The difference I see this yr is that the sweet talking is gone, replaced by an evil laugh, and they're snipping our balls completely off to try and add them to their p2w basket of microtransactions

imo of course

 

[The_Knight]

Will konami give us another back stab again next week?

It depends on how awful/good FIFA22 is.

Worst case scenario? eFootball is just a PES2021 that looks much better by default. We'll buy the "offline modes" and enjoy a slightly better game. I won't buy anything until I see the EPL/La Liga stadiums at least converted to Unreal.... and hopefully the camera and scoreboard mods don't take too long. I hope we don't need turf and weather mods this year, with all this talk about "Photorealism".

Best case scenario? It actually plays much better than last year's game. For that, we'll have to wait to get our hands on it.

Now if FIFA22 actually plays great this year, then regardless of what Konami delivers, it won't matter (with a caveat of it only being on next-gen). With EA's game, almost no modding is required. Now I've seen reports about FIFA22 beta playing exactly the same as FIFA21, but with better animations and physics. And I've seen reports saying the gameplay is much better, as are the physics etc. Keep in mind those changes would only be seen on PS5/XBSX.

My guess? There aren't enough people with PS5s and XBSXs for FIFA22 to be relevant this year. The real fight will be with next year's game. We'll probably just keep playing PES2021 till Q2 2022 when the PC mods for eFootball start popping, and the UE5 update is out.

 

[Rip-IssPesFifa]

It depends on how awful/good FIFA22 is.

Worst case scenario? eFootball is just a PES2021 that looks much better by default. We'll buy the "offline modes" and enjoy a slightly better game. I won't buy anything until I see the EPL/La Liga stadiums at least converted to Unreal.... and hopefully the camera and scoreboard mods don't take too long. I hope we don't need turf and weather mods this year, with all this talk about "Photorealism".

Best case scenario? It actually plays much better than last year's game. For that, we'll have to wait to get our hands on it.

Now if FIFA22 actually plays great this year, then regardless of what Konami delivers, it won't matter (with a caveat of it only being on next-gen). With EA's game, almost no modding is required. Now I've seen reports about FIFA22 beta playing exactly the same as FIFA21, but with better animations and physics. And I've seen reports saying the gameplay is much better, as are the physics etc. Keep in mind those changes would only be seen on PS5/XBSX.

My guess? There aren't enough people with PS5s and XBSXs for FIFA22 to be relevant this year. The real fight will be with next year's game. We'll probably just keep playing PES2021 till Q2 2022 when the PC mods for eFootball start popping, and the UE5 update is out.

Its not going to look much better. Unreal 4 wasnt a great engine and graphics wise no games that have used it look outstanding. Fox engine is superior. Reason they have moved to U4 is due to how easy it is for cross platform.

 

[vialli82]

Worst case scenario? eFootball is just a PES2021 that looks much better by default.

No, not the worst case, as PES 2021 looks far better than the BETA, with better physics etc.
To me it should be the "acceptable" case.
For sure it will play differently. But not better especially, look at the Beta, worste than PES 2015 and very close to the gameplay from PES 2021 Mobile enhanced. Even if it's "only a Beta" it's clearly a reproduced Mobile based, with PS4 graphics. My hope was "it's just a test to see how cross-plateform work, we will play on Mobile against PS4 players", but next-gen version would be different in all aspect

-Worst case (and the most probable) is Mobile version with all the restrictions we knows (impossible to put 2021 PS4 on Mobile) on PS5, with better graphics than PES from any PS4 version. Only some animations transitions in more, that's all, like a "trick" to make the games looking better.
And it seems that it's pretty probable, from what you've said about Konami's having hard with animations, then it's what i expect to be presented now.

-Better case : a better version on next-gen with more animations and physics related to it, not already offering a full next-gen experience (first PS4 games didn't, first PS3 neither etc. it's always transitionnal), but at least with some stuffs who were not doable on PS4, which includes more ball physics algorithms, contacts, motions physics and animations, but overally it should be the same way to play for cross-plateform (shit) stuff. That's all, nothing more or less, i was waiting about.

Now about editing, i'm sure of one thing i didn't know before buying it : PS5 got LESS storage than PS4 Pro. Unbelievable. So we will be fighting for slots again, don't know if Fox limitated those stuffs etc. but it's an issue for editor. We all want HQ kits. Also, i would like them to get rid of managers : it's a loss of time, and driving crazy to check every week changes, tooking images, and the thing is except Myclub : it's changing nothing even on ML. Fifa gots tons of features, but only added some managers superficially. And it's not FM.
If they decided for their new MyClub to leave people doing their own tactical system, they will remove managers for sure. As it serves only for that. I hope, if the game is playable, that it will be the case.

Now, When/If the games becames good with all updates, or changes only on some console not impossible on the long terms : it's practically an obligation to think about what it will be in 3 years so they will got to improve areas only for NG version. Otherwhise they're completely dead, it's not the case already as not a lot of people own a PS5 but in the future... Games will improve and it will looks super old in comparison.
So at a moment if they want to survive : they got to make a separation / 2 games in one. If they don't, the solution very Konim-esque is to completely unfocus on NG version and leave the application dying in the abyss of the store/marketplace.

Edit: i think too that Fox was, only in graphical and technical terms, a better engine. But i think that it's not only for cross, but for the sake of having easy to add, remove, changes stuffs. FOX O.S. is the worst in the market, you can't change anything without calling Kojima or perhaps Elon Musk. Well it's under 4.2 i think, a bit better than 4.0.

 

[NIK778899]

That actually sounds like they have ideas and plans for it.

It does but I hope that isn't all the mode is. What if I don't want to develop players and bring them into the first team? Maybe I just want to play a Career Mode with the players that already exist in the now.

If it's solely focused on developing youth players then it'll be like the magic boots scenario of PES 2013 in that they've got their vision of it and they make that vision mandatory for the mode.

 

[PRO_TOO]

Will konami give us another back stab again next week?

over time, i became numb... go ahead!

 

[elloco]

Its not going to look much better. Unreal 4 wasnt a great engine and graphics wise no games that have used it look outstanding

Wrong UE 4.2 is a great engine and in the right hands, it can deliver great gfx 1 example - Hellblade...

 

[manmachine]

Reason they have moved to U4 is due to how easy it is for cross platform.

Yes, but interestingly Fox was created for easy cross platform development in the first place as well. By Kojima Productions. Konami abandoned AAA games years ago, Kojima left. They had to abandon Fox the moment new hardware arrived, as any engine needs updating to support new hardware, they just churned out yearly pes updates for as long as it just worked. New consoles arrived, welcome to the unreal/mobile version. What I'm saying I suppose, there's no big plan / ambition behind the move, just necessity.

 

[etb10dmk]

Someone much more talented than me needs to make a meme of a Pokemon battle.

"Neymar used stepover... it was super effective!"
"Phil Jones used defend... it had no effect!"

Etc

Actualy talking about this focus on individual encounters you just gave me an ideea of a posibility that they could implement later. You know that they have that 1 vs 1 Yuuu- Gi-Ohhh or whatever is called that bloody card game where you can battle with cards like Pokemon right? And they have experience with it because they realease that apart from the pachinko machines... "What if?", they will add into their new casino game that has football elements in it, some cards to purchase where you can have stats for players like: +10% speed, scissors feint, flip flap etc, that you can use them as boosters (candy crush style). Kids will love them. That's a buck extra for them and everybody will be happy (because PES fans shouldn't be angry, PES doesn't exist), you know...

 

[etb10dmk]

Yes, but interestingly Fox was created for easy cross platform development in the first place as well. By Kojima Productions. Konami abandoned AAA games years ago, Kojima left. They had to abandon Fox the moment new hardware arrived, as any engine needs updating to support new hardware, they just churned out yearly pes updates for as long as it just worked. New consoles arrived, welcome to the unreal/mobile version. What I'm saying I suppose, there's no big plan / ambition behind the move, just necessity.

Exactly, Kojima & the team created the FOX engine for Konami, Konami was utilizing it for their games. Until there all was ok, then drama begins:

1) Kojima and the GOAT team was gone, Konami was in limbo with the anxious question "what to do now? what to do?"
2) They milked every franchise how much they could with the FOX engine that he created to destroy them because those didn't get profit as they wanted
3) They had the question again "what to do??? what to do now?"
4) They've got the ideea to resurrect all those franchises they've killed as pachinko, profiting on their names to the bones
5) Everybody evolved on the market and they not with the only decent game that they had left PES (because they were doing pachinko all the time)
6) They've purchased the new popular external unreal engine with the question "what to do with it? what to do?"
7) They saw some successful f2p mobile apps on the market and they decided to convert PES into eFootball TM, because was the only game left for that.

SPOILER ALERT !!!

8) They release eFootball, without having experience to implement a good greedy monetization scheme into the f2p mobile & console app
9) Casual players (that will be the majority) loose interest after 2 months, because old reasons from previous myClub games and horrendous marketing
10) Servers shuts down and eFootball joins the other pile of live service dead corpses from the industry... FIFA officialy will be the new Monopoly guy !!!

 

[Pistol90]

They are releasing a game with what 8 teams in it.
Can it possibly go any lower. Some CEO or WallStreet thief told them they can make a lot of money that way, and they listened.

They will make money in first two years (on kids gambling) , after that series will probably die.

 

[elloco]

let's wait and critically check out what Konami deliver on the 25th of August....

PES Mobile hat 400+ Mio Downloads... PES 2021 on steam has avg. players of 10.000 People... playing online finding someone to play is absolutely frustrating!

GaaS and F2P are the right way to go! I really hope that the content will be fine until Q1 2022 and Konami had a serious interest to deliver a great football experience.

People are complaining about gambling and cash creed are the same that buy EVERY year the other game for 60-90€ AND put money in FUT...

F2P: Try it - you like it ? - play it and pay for content you want to use.... you don't like it ? - don't play it... that's simple!

if Konami delivers a very good base (i doubt it) why not paying for content like Gamepass or ML ?? Prove me Wrong but i think over a "season" its cheaper
as buying that game yearly for 40-60€...

 

[PESSIMON]

let's wait and critically check out what Konami deliver on the 25th of August....

PES Mobile hat 400+ Mio Downloads... PES 2021 on steam has avg. players of 10.000 People... playing online finding someone to play is absolutely frustrating!

GaaS and F2P are the right way to go! I really hope that the content will be fine until Q1 2022 and Konami had a serious interest to deliver a great football experience.

People are complaining about gambling and cash creed are the same that buy EVERY year the other game for 60-90€ AND put money in FUT...

F2P: Try it - you like it ? - play it and pay for content you want to use.... you don't like it ? - don't play it... that's simple!

if Konami delivers a very good base (i doubt it) why not paying for content like Gamepass or ML ?? Prove me Wrong but i think over a "season" its cheaper
as buying that game yearly for 40-60€...

I agree. I've kept buying the new iterations under the guise that ML would've been improved during their "3-year-plan". It didn't.

Now they've finally made the biggest change in 4 years to ML: the name.

 

[HeWillKnockFourTimes]

It does but I hope that isn't all the mode is. What if I don't want to develop players and bring them into the first team? Maybe I just want to play a Career Mode with the players that already exist in the now.

If it's solely focused on developing youth players then it'll be like the magic boots scenario of PES 2013 in that they've got their vision of it and they make that vision mandatory for the mode.

Yeah definitely, Probably wouldn't appeal to me either. Didn't play PES back then, but the magic boots sound a bad idea just by the name lol.

 

[NIK778899]

Yeah definitely, Probably wouldn't appeal to me either. Didn't play PES back then, but the magic boots sound a bad idea just by the name lol.

Oh it was ridiculous. Basically in Master League all of your players started in black boots and you had to unlock boots as you progressed and each pair of boots had different boosts. Like a Nike Mercurial Vapor would increase the speed of the player you give them to, or a Adidas Predator would improve their tackling etc. They tried to make it into an RPG and they only changed it after release to make it optional due to the backlash and it never appeared again in PES 2014 onwards.

Adam Bhatti didn't work for Konami at that point but he still got insider info as he worked at Ubisoft. He actually broke an embargo to tell us all about their plans and whipped everyone up into taking a stand against it and made Konami change it.

That's why him now becoming a Konami shill is a kick in the teeth to me. Before he became the hype man with empty promises, he fought for us fans.

 

[PRO_TOO]

Oh it was ridiculous. Basically in Master League all of your players started in black boots and you had to unlock boots as you progressed and each pair of boots had different boosts. Like a Nike Mercurial Vapor would increase the speed of the player you give them to, or a Adidas Predator would improve their tackling etc. They tried to make it into an RPG and they only changed it after release to make it optional due to the backlash and it never appeared again in PES 2014 onwards.

Adam Bhatti didn't work for Konami at that point but he still got insider info as he worked at Ubisoft. He actually broke an embargo to tell us all about their plans and whipped everyone up into taking a stand against it and made Konami change it.

That's why him now becoming a Konami shill is a kick in the teeth to me. Before he became the hype man with empty promises, he fought for us fans.

yeah those boots...

its: ostriches > penguines > dinosaurs > dog heads > boots > energy drinks...

 

[Ameppe]

Oh it was ridiculous. Basically in Master League all of your players started in black boots and you had to unlock boots as you progressed and each pair of boots had different boosts. Like a Nike Mercurial Vapor would increase the speed of the player you give them to, or a Adidas Predator would improve their tackling etc. They tried to make it into an RPG and they only changed it after release to make it optional due to the backlash and it never appeared again in PES 2014 onwards.

Adam Bhatti didn't work for Konami at that point but he still got insider info as he worked at Ubisoft. He actually broke an embargo to tell us all about their plans and whipped everyone up into taking a stand against it and made Konami change it.

That's why him now becoming a Konami shill is a kick in the teeth to me. Before he became the hype man with empty promises, he fought for us fans.

I guess he had more influence before working at Konami, maybe because that was a time when they still wanted to understand what was going wrong compared to now that he is there at Konami. Actually i think Konami management put him in a spot so that he can never interfere with €football development anymore.

I predict, give them a couple of years and Bhatti will leave Konami, just like already happened with many people that should have been our spokesmen to the devs.