eFootball (All Platforms)

campeador said:
Are you a not yet released game specialist or what? I see you around here only talking a non sense words or just your speculations, responding to everyoane.
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To answer in your language @vialli82 is a "released game specialist" db modder, and a good one on that. His opinions are important as any opinion here no matter what, and if we have the same vision or not he's a key part of this community. We didn't saw you around here mate, just one time with this ridiculous post:

campeador said:
So this is their pes22? :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL: Why the hell did they delay it a year to get an even bigger mess than pes21? So these Japanese ... I had a good opinion of them, but when it comes to playing football, I think they're just idiots.
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In fact, both of your posts equals less than "a non sense words"...
 
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There is a rumour which says ML will come between august and november 2022 due to if the release a ML in march, european season is almost finishing and have not sense at all to do that so what is your opinion guys about this, is worth it to have not ML this year and wait for a decent one next year?
 
guorfan said:
There is a rumour which says ML will come between august and november 2022 due to if the release a ML in march, european season is almost finishing and have not sense at all to do that so what is your opinion guys about this, is worth it to have not ML this year and wait for a decent one next year?
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I'd still rather have a ML whenever it is ready. I don't think it's essential to have it release when a season starts, plus I'd be happy to start one with January transfers in place.

Edit - plus the gameplay and ai would have to be decent at the point when it is released too. That's definitely essential for me!
 
guorfan said:
There is a rumour which says ML will come between august and november 2022 due to if the release a ML in march, european season is almost finishing and have not sense at all to do that so what is your opinion guys about this, is worth it to have not ML this year and wait for a decent one next year?
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If they make it worth, by taking the year off, to work without pressure behind the scenes for improvement and in depth better feahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahah. :)
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Sorry i apologize, i try to resist, but ebery point in this situation is producing a joke in my mind. I will try to keep me silent..
 
Flipper the Priest said:
Based on their roll-out of the game at large I'll need an industrial-sized bucket of popcorn to watch their unfurling of Master League over the next six/seven/eight/nine months. I seriously question if it'll happen, based on the last six/seven/eight/nine months.
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i think it's unlikely to be honest. and if it exists it will not look the same.

we don't even know when the team and league database will be introduced to the game in general or what modes they will be available in, let alone how Master League will work and when it will be ready
 
etb10dmk said:
We didn't saw you around here mate, just one time with this ridiculous post:

etb10dmk joined Jul 30, 2021 campeador joined Jan 12, 2009​

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1. Do you see the contradiction in your words? Btw, who are "we"?
2. This thread has 9k comments, 486k views and probably, more or less, about 50 active commenters, so you don't need much brain to realize that many more read without writing. It's their right, isn't it?
3. There is no contradiction in what I have written, as long as there are reasonable indications that this game will be a cheap, unfinished one, an insult for the old community of Pes. In order for you to understand, I am tired of reading vialli82 how, against a lot of evidence, palpable evidence, he continues to claim that this game is an excellent one.
 
Konami sound like they’re not entirely sure what the future holds anyway.

If I was a betting man, I would wager large sums of cash that eFootball will slowly fade into obscurity within the next 2-3 years. There simply won’t be enough content to keep people coming back, especially with the behemoth which is FUT as it’s main rival.

The guys who enjoy master league and even ‘normal’ online modes like H2H Seasons (or whatever it’s called in PES) will have zero interest in the series by the time any meaningful content arrives - IF it ever arrives.

It’s Fantasy myClub style shit or nothing. There won’t be anything substantial to keep career (Master League) enthusiasts happy.
 
vialli82 said:
Talk to me in another tone first WTF is annoying you in my post? Sincerely i don't get what. There's NOTHING, i said "if they > i will".
But it seems it's just that i'm annoying you for no reason, admit it and it's okay.

It's an interdiction to makes speculations? Many people said here "there won't be ML" or "It will cost 50 dollars for 5 players etc.".
You probably got an issue with me, because i'm not on the trowing arrow side... Sorry if it doesn't makes me laugh at all.

The things is i don't TOLD like if i knowed it, i'm just asking myself, what i will do. If you can make the difference... I don't know what to say.
And i try to be polite, seriously, i contain myself when i read people like you.

I'm not responsible if what you will get to play, doesn't fit you.
Non sense-words? Every words on that post are totally off, and you're talking about "no-sense", please dumber.
And from where are you appearing from? I feel like i received a porn announcement coming from nowhere when i go to streaming on anime or series
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I'm just tired of reading your exacerbated optimism, the insistence with which you contradict and fight the users who are disappointed by what they announced that they offer from Konami. But don't worry, I will ignore you and solve this problem quickly. 2. It's already dubious (or incredibly stupid) the subtle way you try to side with Konami, trying to minimize the wave of antipathy and rejection, especially of old Pes players, by fighting them aggressively, many times, when it is so obvious, after so many videos with the gameplay, comments from users who played beta versions, after the official statements (incompetent or omitted) from Konami, that it will be absolutely a mobile game and summarizing , a deception of expectations and a mockery of gamers, when they also asked us for understanding waiting 2 years to launch a very special game. Do you understand that? The rest, your cheap ironies, I pass them to the ignore chapter, as I said above, I will ignore you so that I don't see your aberrations anymore.
 
Motion Matching - eFootball and FIFA until FIFA 21.
Motion Synthesis or Machine Learning - FIFA 22

Motion Matching will be important in eFootball, because the algorithm will choose the animations according to what the player wants in the match. Until PES 2021 KONAMI prioritized "manual" animations, which are much harder to build, because you are creating the animation manually, so PES 2021 and the previous ones deliver great transition between animations. With Motion Matching KONAMI will have more animations, perhaps with more sliding, caused by the lack of the transition animations and the responsiveness.

https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1026472/ML-Tutorial-Day-From-Motion

Good examples of this technology: https://www.vg247.com/the-last-of-u...g-fluid-animation-without-sacrificing-realism
 
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campeador said:
1. Do you see the contradiction in your words? Btw, who are "we"?
2. This thread has 9k comments, 486k views and probably, more or less, about 50 active commenters, so you don't need much brain to realize that many more read without writing. It's their right, isn't it?
3. There is no contradiction in what I have written, as long as there are reasonable indications that this game will be a cheap, unfinished one, an insult for the old community of Pes. In order for you to understand, I am tired of reading vialli82 how, against a lot of evidence, palpable evidence, he continues to claim that this game is an excellent one.
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1. What are those contradictions? By "here" I wasn't referring or mentioning at the time you've created your account so you took it in your context to counter my post, and by "we" I was referring to those who are mostly sharing their opinion here "in this thread"... Now you get it? Cool. (also FYI I had an old account long ago here with another email way older than you can think, that I can't recover its password, but that's not your concern).

2. This thread could have as much views as you want or less comments, and that means nothing as long as one of those negative comments is pointed directly towards somebody to offend him, because you don't share his view and opinion on something, and doesn't fits to your narative/liking. On the contrary, you'll need some brain to know how to criticize something without attacking somebody just because he likes to elaborate his share. I am also against everything about eFootball but that doesn't mean I should offend somebody because his point of view could be different than mine. If you don't like his comments it's easy, don't read them !!!

3. This is the most ridiculous... when did @vialli82 mentioned that this game will be excellent? I don't recall that... could you elaborate?
 
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The idea of changing the title has been in the works for two years now, and there are two main reasons why we decided to go ahead with it: First, the game market is changing due to the generational shift in home consoles, such as the PS5. "The first is the change in the game market due to the generational change in home consoles, such as the PS5. I don't want people to think it's just a sequel to what we've done before, so we took the plunge. With the current mainstream of free app games on smartphones, "eFootball 2022" will no longer be sold as a package for around 5,000 yen, and the basic game will be free.

"In fact, we haven't been able to include all the systems from the Winning Eleven series yet. In the most recent update, we're going to bring back some of the things you could play in the previous titles. You'll have to wait a little longer for it to reach its full potential."

"We will continue to explore the business model after the release of the game, but the smartphone app version of Winning Eleven, which is basically free to play, has been downloaded 450 million times worldwide, and its revenue is stable due to the chargeable elements. We made the game free of charge in anticipation of its recent performance," he said. This year's game will include fee-based elements such as the "Master League," which allows players to develop their own clubs.

"In the past, it was normal to play games in front of the TV, but nowadays many young people don't watch TV and play games on their smartphones. The number of games that transcend the boundaries of consoles will increase to keep up with the times, and players will have more freedom. We can't start unless the players enjoy the games.

Source: https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/SportsHochi_20210917_OHT1T51167/?p=2
 
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Mathgamer said:
The idea of changing the title has been in the works for two years now, and there are two main reasons why we decided to go ahead with it: First, the game market is changing due to the generational shift in home consoles, such as the PS5. "The first is the change in the game market due to the generational change in home consoles, such as the PS5. I don't want people to think it's just a sequel to what we've done before, so we took the plunge. With the current mainstream of free app games on smartphones, "eFootball 2022" will no longer be sold as a package for around 5,000 yen, and the basic game will be free.

"In fact, we haven't been able to include all the systems from the Winning Eleven series yet. In the most recent update, we're going to bring back some of the things you could play in the previous titles. You'll have to wait a little longer for it to reach its full potential."

"We will continue to explore the business model after the release of the game, but the smartphone app version of Winning Eleven, which is basically free to play, has been downloaded 450 million times worldwide, and its revenue is stable due to the chargeable elements. We made the game free of charge in anticipation of its recent performance," he said. This year's game will include fee-based elements such as the "Master League," which allows players to develop their own clubs.

"In the past, it was normal to play games in front of the TV, but nowadays many young people don't watch TV and play games on their smartphones. The number of games that transcend the boundaries of consoles will increase to keep up with the times, and players will have more freedom. We can't start unless the players enjoy the games.

Source: https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/SportsHochi_20210917_OHT1T51167/?p=2
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Every time I read Kimura spaffing about his excitement for the "business model" I feel a little more nauseous.

I don't know if they're aware, but their business model is the subject of scorn even in mainstream tech news outlets:

https://www.techradar.com/uk/amp/ne...n-of-efootball-already-feels-like-an-own-goal

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/16/kona...lc-that-wont-work-till-november-15271273/amp/
 
janguv said:
Every time I read Kimura spaffing about his excitement for the "business model" I feel a little more nauseous.

I don't know if they're aware, but their business model is the subject of scorn even in mainstream tech news outlets:

https://www.techradar.com/uk/amp/ne...n-of-efootball-already-feels-like-an-own-goal

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/16/kona...lc-that-wont-work-till-november-15271273/amp/
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Could be, because this tactic isn't so "common", mostly unrelated to classic preorder types that in the end raised some eyebrows... But I'm curious after all this, if there will be even more publishers doing the same or at least something similar with their "packs"...
 
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I still think PES 2018 delivers the best balance between Arcade and simulation. Not saying its perfect but imo it's easily the most fun Konami soccer game over the last five years. I now understand why they dropped the "Pro Evolution Soccer" label, it's because the game just feels to me like it hasn't evolved this decade.
 
janguv said:
Every time I read Kimura spaffing about his excitement for the "business model" I feel a little more nauseous.

I don't know if they're aware, but their business model is the subject of scorn even in mainstream tech news outlets:

https://www.techradar.com/uk/amp/ne...n-of-efootball-already-feels-like-an-own-goal

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/16/kona...lc-that-wont-work-till-november-15271273/amp/
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glad to see these. good that they aren't escaping criticism for a lousy marketing tactic
 
janguv said:
Every time I read Kimura spaffing about his excitement for the "business model" I feel a little more nauseous.
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He's going to become famous or infamous that's for sure. If it flops he'll end up looking like a giant spanner, killed the PES brand for a clown mobile game, if the consooomers take the bait (as there is some anecdotal evidence they are already doing) then business execs will probably look at him in a few years like gamers look at Hideo Kojima today, a visionary who shafted the traditional player base and yet reaped the rewards as a result, with minimal effort and about £50 spent on the marketing/graphic design budget. I still wouldn't be surprised if the latter happens when you see things like this

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Quick question, in the new football game, how was the 'new supercancel' done? It was remapped into just one button I guess... L1 or L2.

It was shown in the Gamescom trailer as 'coming in a future update':

 
Mathgamer said:
The idea of changing the title has been in the works for two years now, and there are two main reasons why we decided to go ahead with it: First, the game market is changing due to the generational shift in home consoles, such as the PS5. "The first is the change in the game market due to the generational change in home consoles, such as the PS5. I don't want people to think it's just a sequel to what we've done before, so we took the plunge. With the current mainstream of free app games on smartphones, "eFootball 2022" will no longer be sold as a package for around 5,000 yen, and the basic game will be free.

"In fact, we haven't been able to include all the systems from the Winning Eleven series yet. In the most recent update, we're going to bring back some of the things you could play in the previous titles. You'll have to wait a little longer for it to reach its full potential."

"We will continue to explore the business model after the release of the game, but the smartphone app version of Winning Eleven, which is basically free to play, has been downloaded 450 million times worldwide, and its revenue is stable due to the chargeable elements. We made the game free of charge in anticipation of its recent performance," he said. This year's game will include fee-based elements such as the "Master League," which allows players to develop their own clubs.

"In the past, it was normal to play games in front of the TV, but nowadays many young people don't watch TV and play games on their smartphones. The number of games that transcend the boundaries of consoles will increase to keep up with the times, and players will have more freedom. We can't start unless the players enjoy the games.

Source: https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/SportsHochi_20210917_OHT1T51167/?p=2
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There is your problem.
 
guorfan said:
There is a rumour which says ML will come between august and november 2022 due to if the release a ML in march, european season is almost finishing and have not sense at all to do that so what is your opinion guys about this, is worth it to have not ML this year and wait for a decent one next year?
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Come on mate, they couldnt even finish the game within 2 year development. Dont get your hope high for a decent master league. They probably just add few cutscenes here and there.
 
szebko said:
Honestly why are you guys still calling it a demo? It's Early Access. Konami just seems to be too afraid to say it.
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Not technically, because for an early access game you normally pay a price for the entire package (excluding dlcs) and you can have the version 1.0 from the get go for the same price as an example that passes through my mind is Dead Cells (but as you know are many) that was in early access with its cheaper base price, then on the 1.0 official release they charged 10% more eventually but just for those who purchased it when was completely "finished". In other hand with eFootball it's little bit nasty because it's free from the start, not technically a demo but not a full game, where you can preorder stuff that you can't officially use in the game until two months latter. I mean it's a weird situation here with this game because I never saw something like it, so Konami surprised many over the night with this special hybrid tactic... Tbh, I don't even know if this will work for them knowing this system feels too aggressive like directly "in your face"...
 
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