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Chris Davies said:
Dear God.

How are you equating a "free-to-play" mobile game being sold on next-gen consoles (after a hiatus and the promise of something truly special), with "you can't take your next-gen console on the bus"?

You don't have to. You don't need a next-gen console to play it. That's the point.

There's "keeping an open mind" because this is the only PES we're getting (and possibly the last one we'll get) - which is fair enough - and there's bending over backwards to defend a company that have pretty much admitted they couldn't give a shit about long-time fans because we don't hand over myClub money (see Adam Bhatti's tweets).
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This is a multi platform game. The EA F1 mobile game for example is getting a career mode soon, but doesn't mean the console versions are being turned into mobile games too or worse off for it. If eFootball on mobile can be brought closer to a console version without forcing the console versions to take a graphical hit for example to narrow that gap, then that should be commended. I'm fully aware of the fact that this game is going to be bare bones feature wise for quite some time. I don't believe that it's the fact that there is a mobile version of this game is holding things back on consoles. I don't think option files will be available for the mobile versions, so PS5 players will still have a greater experience with the game overall when also throwing better graphics and use of the controller haptics into the equation too.
 
Superhoop said:
I don't believe that it's the fact that there is a mobile version of this game is holding things back on consoles.
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The mobile version holds things back on consoles because of crossplay.

It's mobile game gameplay.

Fifa does not support crossplay between PS5 & PS4 because of the new animations.

So it doesn't matter what you believe, you're wrong.
 
Mikhail said:
Exactly my thoughts - it’s so obvious he’s that Curdy bloke.

Have a look at his post history, it’s all super fanboy stuff. Plus, Alan always makes a Scottish team related username. At least be less obvious!

I don’t mind positivity, but blindly sticking up for a franchise or company regardless of quality of the product is just bizarre.

They all seem to come out this time of year when the next PES is about to launch.
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Why i can't stand at all , are those Orwell-style manipulation of the past. Someone said (i don't even want to quote directly) on the trasformation of New Football Online Beta thumbnail to eFootball 2022 icon.

people just said that this was not how it would look on new gen systems on official release day. This was clearly a beta for the new game. It doesn't really matter how the beta played or looked for a game that will hopefully be improved on over time
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This is not just plain positivity, it is an attack to the common human sense, intelligence and memory. Maybe a manipulation attempt!

I do not want to quote posts from last June right now, cause i find it unfair and scripta manent , but it was that time, that some people (me included) were straight that it's all marketing shite and New Football is the game beta, while the most (ok not everybody) POSITIVE-people were constantly throwing insults, like we are too negative, we are some mofos-jerks too lazy to read the BETA description, and that this is clearly a conectivity-stability-stress-test and that the gameplay was just a placeholder shite, ready to be scrapped after the BETA.

I mean this behaviour was, is now, a fact, a part of the PES community history, it happened in all PES-realated forums and communities. You can't deny today something like this, it is against the common sense.
 
robbieryan said:
What kind of post is this? Your troll mask is slowly slipping away, Alan.

You have made some reasonable arguments for your point of view but this one is not one of them and your 'open mind' is starting to become a desperate defence of Konami.
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So others are allowed to make tongue in cheek comments, but I'm not?

eFootball is a multi-platform game, not a limited to mobile only game.

I've listed a fair few and agreed with plenty of negatives about the game. I've seen very little from people who openly criticize the game even list one positive. And before anyone says there are no positives, how about the new analogue movement with the amount of pressure you apply to the left stick affecting the speed of your player? Not that we've been able to try it (properly?) yet, but that's a great feature to add in my opinion.

I'm not blindly defending Konami, I'm just saying what I personally think is good or bad about eFootball.
 
Superhoop said:
So others are allowed to make tongue in cheek comments, but I'm not?

eFootball is a multi-platform game, not a limited to mobile only game.

I've listed a fair few and agreed with plenty of negatives about the game. I've seen very little from people who openly criticize the game even list one positive. And before anyone says there are no positives, how about the new analogue movement with the amount of pressure you apply to the left stick affecting the speed of your player? Not that we've been able to try it (properly?) yet, but that's a great feature to add in my opinion.

I'm not blindly defending Konami, I'm just saying what I personally think is good or bad about eFootball.
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Have you ever played the PES 2018 online beta? It had analogue movement , that was regressed in the demo and completelly removed to the final game, bringing back the classic rigid PES movement, but just in that case in 2018, the movement (L-stick) still remained more smooth than any other PES game.

But that history and 1000 others show that, even what it is showcased in a DEMO/BETA whatever , can be gone with wind with just an update.

Especially when a company lies, or does false advertising, or at moments that has ZERO TRUST from the customers.
 
Mikhail said:
Exactly my thoughts - it’s so obvious he’s that Curdy bloke.

Have a look at his post history, it’s all super fanboy stuff. Plus, Alan always makes a Scottish team related username. At least be less obvious!

I don’t mind positivity, but blindly sticking up for a franchise or company regardless of quality of the product is just bizarre.

They all seem to come out this time of year when the next PES is about to launch.
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I post comments pre launch because I enjoy the build up of a new release. Sadly this will be the last launch of a new game. That said It'll be interesting to read people's views when the updates come along, so should be lively on here for quite some time. Unless of course members on here aren't going to play it.

As for who I support. Allow myself to correct yourself. I'm a QPR fan. And you guys think you've suffered with PES...
 
manmachine said:
The mobile version holds things back on consoles because of crossplay.

It's mobile game gameplay.

Fifa does not support crossplay between PS5 & PS4 because of the new animations.

So it doesn't matter what you believe, you're wrong.
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So, ok, you're suggesting the more animations there are, the better a game is? eFootball will apparently have 4 x more animations tha PES 21. So you're saying eFootball will be a better game than that? I'm not prepared to make that assumption. There's people who still prefer PES 5 over the current games, that had far less going for it technically under the bonnet.

Overall, I just want a football game that has that "just one more game" feel that the old PS2 PES' nailed. There's no amount of animations or better net physics that can fix that.

If eFootball is never as good as PES 21, I'll be vocal about it. I hope that's not the case though over the months and years to come.
 
Mikhail said:
Yes, basically you think everything is good and nothing is bad.
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I've said it before, but seeing as you missed it, here's a couple of bad things about eFootball that I've read about:

- limited player switching in eFootball is a BAD thing in my opinion
- no longer being able to control teamate pressure with a designated controller button is a BAD thing in my opinion

Here's a third for you as an extra bonus...
- no physical release each year, so therefore not being able to play the game from a period of time that I preferred it is a BAD thing in my opinion.
 
Superhoop said:
So, ok, you're suggesting the more animations there are, the better a game is? eFootball will apparently have 4 x more animations tha PES 21. So you're saying eFootball will be a better game than that? I'm not prepared to make that assumption. There's people who still prefer PES 5 over the current games, that had far less going for it technically under the bonnet.
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Are you for real? And are you ok? Because it looks like you're trying to have a conversation with an imaginary friend. I didn't suggest anything. You're basically typing random nonsense.

Here's what really went on in the previous exchange:
You said mobile does not hold back consoles. I explained why you're wrong. The end.

Superhoop said:
If eFootball is never as good as PES 21, I'll be vocal about it. I hope that's not the case though over the months and years to come.
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I doubt it. Primarily because I don't think your account will last that long.
 
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slamsoze said:
Have you ever played the PES 2018 online beta? It had analogue movement , that was regressed in the demo and completelly removed to the final game, bringing back the classic rigid PES movement, but just in that case in 2018, the movement (L-stick) still remained more smooth than any other PES game.

But that history and 1000 others show that, even what it is showcased in a DEMO/BETA whatever , can be gone with wind with just an update.

Especially when a company lies, or does false advertising, or at moments that has ZERO TRUST from the customers.
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That really bugs me when they remove features too. Losing Random Selection match for example for 13 years (?) Was annoying.

Losing full movement of the replay camera being another! Why can't I have full vertical movement like in the PS2 days? Anyone know the reasoning behind that?
 
manmachine said:
Are you for real? No you're saying that. You're basically typing random nonsense.
You said mobile does not hold back consoles. You're wrong. The end.



I doubt it. Primarily because I don't think your account will last that long.
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Let's just agree to disagree then.

I will say though that the gap between mobile and consoles is narrowing. Consoles get updated (ignoring the pro versions for now) every 7 years or so. Mobile processors get updated every year. It doesn't need to be looked as a bad thing if you can connect your controller to your phone for example and get a similar experience to what you'd get on your console. I think that's pretty awesome.

Why would my account not last long? I hope you're not suggesting I should be blindly following the herd of 100% negativity and not express my own opinions. I'm sure the moderators are able to give me a warning to let me know if I've crossed the line at any point. That's not something I've done so far, nor intend to do in the future.
 
I've tried to ignore his humble survey merchant act because I'm sure he's just sitting there jerking off every time the notification bell pops up, but this got under my skin:

Superhoop said:
I'm positive for the kids who couldn't afford a football game before
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Yeah, because the F2P industry is really healthy for kids...

There is widespread bullying around games like Fortnite. The poor kids get picked on because they haven't got the latest skins/cosmetics/DLC etc. It's a worst case scenario, because they either suffer the bullying of being a "default" or put in unhealthy amounts of time into the game to catch up with the P2W kids, likely to the detriment of their education.

I'd almost have more respect for you if you were being paid for your efforts. The fact you do it for free is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.
 
Mikhail said:
Exactly my thoughts - it’s so obvious he’s that Curdy bloke.

Have a look at his post history, it’s all super fanboy stuff. Plus, Alan always makes a Scottish team related username. At least be less obvious!

I don’t mind positivity, but blindly sticking up for a franchise or company regardless of quality of the product is just bizarre.

They all seem to come out this time of year when the next PES is about to launch.
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As bad as that YT pizza clown mailing me 3 times a week with a paypal link for an option file i did not check out on
 
staffan said:
I've tried to ignore his humble survey merchant act because I'm sure he's just sitting there jerking off every time the notification bell pops up, but this got under my skin:



Yeah, because the F2P industry is really healthy for kids...

There is widespread bullying around games like Fortnite. The poor kids get picked on because they haven't got the latest skins/cosmetics/DLC etc. It's a worst case scenario, because they either suffer the bullying of being a "default" or put in unhealthy amounts of time into the game to catch up with the P2W kids, likely to the detriment of their education.

I'd almost have more respect for you if you were being paid for your efforts. The fact you do it for free is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.
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...Why so negative? I'm sure Konami was mainly thinking about children who cant afford football game, coz they are such angels...
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staffan said:
I've tried to ignore his humble survey merchant act because I'm sure he's just sitting there jerking off every time the notification bell pops up, but this got under my skin:



Yeah, because the F2P industry is really healthy for kids...

There is widespread bullying around games like Fortnite. The poor kids get picked on because they haven't got the latest skins/cosmetics/DLC etc. It's a worst case scenario, because they either suffer the bullying of being a "default" or put in unhealthy amounts of time into the game to catch up with the P2W kids, likely to the detriment of their education.

I'd almost have more respect for you if you were being paid for your efforts. The fact you do it for free is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.
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So, in a post where you are quite rightly highlighting the worrying part of f2p gaming where bullying can occur, you also make a juvenile comment about masturbation against me, which in turn can be seen as bullying. That's really sad to see.
 
Superhoop said:
So, in a post where you are quite rightly highlighting the worrying part of f2p gaming where bullying can occur, you also make a juvenile comment about masturbation against me, which in turn can be seen as bullying. That's really sad to see.
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Give it up mate. Some of us are pissed off with Konami and for good reason. You’re barking up the wrong tree.

If you want nothing but positivity, this ain’t the place for you - we love PES but we’re also sick of Konami’s lies and promises.

I don’t think you’ll be around much longer because your type of account always gets banned sooner or later.
 
robbieryan said:
What kind of post is this? Your troll mask is slowly slipping away, Alan.
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Joga said:
:LOL: you like my comments dont you mate? Here's a thought for you, I will spend my life doing whatever I want. One part of life I enjoy is speaking out against bullshit. I like to let people know that not everyone has become sheeple. I love it. Does it bother you ?

You have said nothing about the game or anything constructive, but you have the energy to reply to me? :LMAO: the projection is unreal .. "Why would you spend your life with stuff that you hate?" - Mr. Kalm
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Well, your contributions to this thread do seem to be completely useless in general.
 
Okay, that's enough of the flame wars now. This thread has been out of control for a while, though when Konami have treated communities like ours the way they have for such a long time, frankly, it's understandable.

However, we've gone from "justified anger" to personal insults and it ends now, or people are going to get banned.

A reminder - people are allowed to be positive, to feel positive about the new game, and to state their case. Insults - not allowed.

No crying when you get banned if you insult anyone from this point forward.
 
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