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janguv said:
Great to see a YouTuber of Yong's reach cover this. Would love to have a Jim Stephanie Sterling one, and a SkillUp one too. But Yong is basically one of the biggest out there.

You can see he's not familiar with football, or with the series. Some of the comparisons he makes with FIFA are comparisons he could have made with PES itself (e.g., the yearly release cycle and wiping of myClub content before now). But his arguments are still sound. (Oh, and the less said about his pronunciation of "Juventus", the better!)

I found it interesting that one aspect of the monetisation he singled out as scummy is the selling of individual modes in a game that's marketed as F2P. I haven't seen people making this argument, but it's a good one. I've seen people try and spin it as (following Adam's lead), "just imagine how great ML will be now that we're paying specifically for it!", which was always complete guff. No, not only is there no compulsion to make a good ML just because it's being sold individually, it's also a fucking cheek that they are carving up the complete game into sections, and giving away the gambling part of the game "for free".
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Although I'd rather just make one single payment and have a complete game each year, I don't particularly mind paying for the offline modes I do use separately now that's what I'm going to have to do. Well, I don't mind as long as whatever I do pay doesn't cost more than what a traditional PS5 version would have cost, so let's say £60 in total to get all the modes that would have been on a normal annual release. If we're talking higher costs than that, then I'd expect whatever payment I were to make to be a one time payment that lasts for eFootball's lifetime, not just one season. Although with how they've handled things (like with allowing up front payments for things you can't use for two months to appear on online stores), maybe the game won't even last beyond that! Especially if FIFA then decides to snuff it out with a similar model.

The sensible way for them to handle this I think would be for a one off payment to have those modes forever, then at worst, perhaps a smaller season update style payment to allow the new season squads and kits to be used on the offline modes purchased. A discount for all offline modes as one bundle so it matches a retail release physical price (or less) of a full game would be acceptable in my opinion. I don't expect to get ML, BAL etc. for free. As others have said though, just because we'll be paying for it separately, doesn't translate to it being a better mode than before unfortunately!
 
ballsinwater said:
I find it funny that TTB gets ragged on here but facking yongyeah is brought up like the guy has any integrity whatsoever. Guy is a pure shill and his videos consist of him repeating the same idea ad nauseam to reach the magic 10 minute mark or whatever for optimized YouTube monetization. F that guy
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TTB did a good video actually showing his disdain for the lootbox pre-order so fair enough, unfortunately PESUniverse will automatically get fart noise from me as mega shills but on an individual level TTB isn't afraid to criticise.

I don't follow gamer YouTube so I know nothing about this Yong guy but having this kind of exposure is not good for Konami and I hope it makes them wince at the least, they deserve to feel uncomfortable about this model they are presenting with eFootball
 
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having this kind of exposure is not good for Konami and I hope it makes them wince at the least
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It's not the first time they are getting this exposure, in fact this will probably be the last time, as PES was their very last AAA game to go mobile/f2p/gambling. They are not the 90s Konami, it's pachinko machines and mobile microtransactions now.
 
Joga said:
Some say if you say the name Jim Sterling 3 times in a thread, he shall appear. So me saying it is #3 ;))
The man has the whole saga documented on his channel!

This , is a video on the internet ... enjoy.

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Thats a really good and important clip.
Its shocking to see that they have those specific models, analysis, projects and meetings about it. How cruel this is, huh?

We all knew thats whats happening behind close doors but I personally would not think this is being done like this. Almost like a scientific project presentation.
Our parents did not really understand how it works. So clips like this are important to spread awareness and if it makes few parents to help their children - its a win.

Gaming population is getting older. Now we have (or will have) our own kids and we know how these companies operate.
So I do believe this is their last gasp before more countries follow Belgium.
Cant come soon enough.
Absolute pricks.
 
Chris Davies said:
Well would you look at that? A games development trend is emerging - and fans across the globe, across the genres, are hating it.

Eurogamer: Sega's new mobile RPG is getting four times as many dislikes as likes on YouTube

"The teaser trailer is currently racking up four times as many likes as dislikes on its Japanese-language YouTube account. The majority of [...] comments seem unhappy that the game is seemingly only coming to mobile devices which leave some fearing it will be 'monetise[d] to death'.

'The only good part of this trailer is that they aren't disgracing an existing IP with more smartphone garbage,' opined one commenter.'"
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Doesn't matter if the revenue outweighs the dislikes.
 
janguv said:
Are you forgetting how these YouTubers went to war with Konami a few times before? I mean, the Fuck Konami meme was Jim Sterling's haha. Konami have mugged off the different fanbases of their respective IPs before now, so when there's a big opportunity to dunk on them, I suppose it's not that surprising.

The thing is, the way they released PES and did the same myClub stuff every year – that flew under the radar of most gamers and the gaming press, especially while EA were there to do the same thing but worse. But with the big F2P shift, the PR about the shift, they got themselves press – just not the press they would want.
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Yes reading again the post I forgot to add the mention that was specific to the eFootball situation and I put just Konami. Of course I know those memes overall (even you have pinned one with the FucKonami dance) and the entire situation with their previous actions, where Konami necromanced their franchises and transformed them into pachinkos/virtual casinos. But In the end I wasn't so sure that Konami will be so mediatic with this eFootball situation, because PES was never analyzed or mentioned on Yong or other youtubers that are popular. Mostly in those cases shit hits the fan when something happens to more popular franchises like SH, MGS, Castlevania or internally... For that reason I was pretty surprised to see Yong talking about eFootball knowing that PES was for at least five years slightly into this virtual coins business, and because I never saw him talking about PES to be interested of this game in general. Could be that videos from more popular youtubers regarding eFootball's loot box preorder case will come...
 
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etb10dmk said:
I'm actually very surprised on how this invention of Konami about pre-ordering some gambling got so viral that even Yongyea who isn't into sports (especially not into football) got to point out on this. I mean he is doing lots of videos about shady publishers like EA or 2K, but I wasn't thinking that Konami will ever get so viral to those standards, where they'll trigger directly his attention. But in the end to preorder lootboxes it's a new level of scam, it's like Konami is going at war with the classic lootbox model during a "hold my beer" situation and competing on who can release a more effective predatory abomination...
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Tbh, YongYea was a huge Metal Gear fan. And look how they butchered Metal Gear series back in the day.

Anything Konami does will pretty much fall under his radar since he most likely straight up hates konami.
 
The_Knight said:
Maybe it's because I spend the majority of my time just playing offline leagues. To have the new gameplay improvements + last year's offline modes + unreal engine everything would be more than I actually wanted for the new game. The gameplay changes are a big enough upgrade for me as an offline league player.
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I understand bro. But I just don’t have faith said improvements will actually help the game play better, and with the focus on mobile platforms any such rationale and priority will be given to them platforms, meaning performance, features and ideas will just not be delivered to now next gen consoles.
 
This guy also makes some interesting reflection after the half of the video about the common sense that doesn't exist anymore and should be in those actual releases... Older gamers are just tired to see their franchises turning into this direction and watching announcements or ads with coins/packs everywhere...
(it's a spanish classic PES youtube channel with 220k subs, but activating the subtitles could be understandable).

 
Once a month or so, I come to this thread to look at news. But I end up leaving, quite depressed at this state of affairs. I wish there were no more news or even a release until all offline modes are set, modded and ready to be purchased but alas.. The world is not made up of offline gamers.

See you guys in a month! :TU: I will go back to my threads and playing offline PES 2021 and PES 13. :YES:
 
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It's a FIFA video, but you can see with how much joy and fun video games were made back then, as opposed to these current times where pure greed has taken over sports gaming scene more than any other genre.



This sole video made in FIFA 2002 has more animations than eFootball 2022 has.
 
ballsinwater said:
I find it funny that TTB gets ragged on here but facking yongyeah is brought up like the guy has any integrity whatsoever. Guy is a pure shill and his videos consist of him repeating the same idea ad nauseam to reach the magic 10 minute mark or whatever for optimized YouTube monetization. F that guy
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Think that's a bit of a strange whataboutery really. The reason YY is being posted, and lauded for that video, is because he makes sound points about how scummy the Konami pricing model is here. That's a good thing; it should get that exposure.

I also, unlike many, don't rag on TTB – he and "Wezza" seem to be fairly grounded when criticising Konami, in my view; it's Barry, from what I've seen, who prevaricates, weakens down his criticisms into postmodern nothingnesses like "at the end of the day, there's different ways to play the game and everyone has the right to have an opinion" (ad nauseam).
 
Pyro said:
It's a FIFA video, but you can see with how much joy and fun video games were made back then, as opposed to these current times where pure greed has taken over sports gaming scene more than any other genre.



This sole video made in FIFA 2002 has more animations than eFootball 2022 has.
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I saved an amazing goal on PES6 the other day, thinking I would share it somewhere when I can be bothered learning screen capture. This post inspired me to get on it!

So this 15 year old game just blew my mind again. Was this a scuffed shot ? or Özil style genius ? either way this game is pure gold.


Shout-out to Shollym for his awesome patch with a crazy soundtrack!

EDIT: Just to credit also the Cadiz stadium is from Firebird patch stadium pack :TU:
 
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Q1: When will more teams be available to use, other than the nine already included at launch?

Many more Authentic Teams will be added as part of the upcoming autumn update. These can then be used as base teams for building your Creative Team. There will then be a further update in winter, where users can enjoy Match - Authentic with all the available teams.
 
Pyro said:
It's a FIFA video, but you can see with how much joy and fun video games were made back then, as opposed to these current times where pure greed has taken over sports gaming scene more than any other genre.



This sole video made in FIFA 2002 has more animations than eFootball 2022 has.
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That football crushing the players cock and balls animation was there in fifa 2001.

Good times. Cutscenes of Fifa 2001 and 2002 were pure gold, straight up comedy in a good way.
 
Joga said:
I saved an amazing goal on PES6 the other day, thinking I would share it somewhere when I can be bothered learning screen capture. This post inspired me to get on it!

So this 15 year old game just blew my mind again. Was this a scuffed shot ? or Özil style genius ? either way this game is pure gold.


Shout-out to Shollym for his awesome patch with a crazy soundtrack!

EDIT: Just to credit also the Cadiz stadium is from Firebird patch stadium pack :TU:
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I need to go back to playing some more PES 6 again. Haven't played any PS2 in years.
 
I'm watching now PewDiePie live streaming opening some packs of carts, branded with KONAMI, Yu-Gi-Oh! craps, and any cart cost some money.. he is hype for some reason and this is popular around the kids ?... So that i how Konami making they billions ? Selling lootboxes packages with cardboard cards.
 
Ironically speaking, can you see some kind of "pattern" here?

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2011 - One of the greatest Tennis games ( VT4 ) releases on many platforms (besides its competitor Top Spin). :EASY::APPLAUD::ROCK:

2012 - Appears a new game (VT Challenge) that's still on Google Play today. Ohhh sheiiiteee !!! 🕹️ -----> 📲. :SHOCK::TD::BLEH:

2021 - :PIG:💬 "Ba-dee-a-dee-a... ba-dee-a-dee-a... That's all folks !!!" (a.k.a. "...do you guys don't have phones ?!?!" meme).

THE END...
 
༺Ƥeຮ༻ said:
I'm watching now PewDiePie live streaming opening some packs of carts, branded with KONAMI, Yu-Gi-Oh! craps, and any cart cost some money.. he is hype for some reason and this is popular around the kids ?... So that i how Konami making they billions ? Selling lootboxes packages with cardboard cards.
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And because its just "cartoon cards" its not considered gambling for some. But essentially it's the same as what Trainwreckstv is doing on twitch, but he has a 18+ warning that no ones cares about. Getting paid by gambling sites to gamble on stream .. on their sites.

It's sad to see him like a zombie spinning slots, he looks very unhealthy at the moment. In actuality he is a really funny & caring person. But he's "gettin paid" & that's all that matters these days.
 
Mathgamer said:
Q1: When will more teams be available to use, other than the nine already included at launch?

Many more Authentic Teams will be added as part of the upcoming autumn update. These can then be used as base teams for building your Creative Team. There will then be a further update in winter, where users can enjoy Match - Authentic with all the available teams.
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Why are they using obscure terms like “Match-Authentic”? Konami are embarrassing
 
Joga said:
And because its just "cartoon cards" its not considered gambling for some. But essentially it's the same as what Trainwreckstv is doing on twitch, but he has a 18+ warning that no ones cares about. Getting paid by gambling sites to gamble on stream .. on their sites.

It's sad to see him like a zombie spinning slots, he looks very unhealthy at the moment. In actuality he is a really funny & caring person. But he's "gettin paid" & that's all that matters these days.
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Yes but.. any cart cost money, and you ca sell them and make money... must be sort of gambling, i mean.. you have the same sensations and it leads to addiction.
 
Joga said:
Just checked eBay, the best ones sell for $15-20k au. Highest is 24k :LOL: It's like the old Willy Wonka's chocolate factory, you get 0.01% chance of a golden ticket!
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But even if it's 0.01% you can still get Mbappi :LMAO:
 
Joga said:
And because its just "cartoon cards" its not considered gambling for some. But essentially it's the same as what Trainwreckstv is doing on twitch, but he has a 18+ warning that no ones cares about. Getting paid by gambling sites to gamble on stream .. on their sites.

It's sad to see him like a zombie spinning slots, he looks very unhealthy at the moment. In actuality he is a really funny & caring person. But he's "gettin paid" & that's all that matters these days.
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You're not wrong in regards to cards essentially being gambling (be it baseball, Magic, Pokemon, Yugioh, what have you), but the key difference between physical goods and gacha/loot-boxes is just that; they're physical. If I pack an ultra rare card, I'm free to do with it what I like. I can sell it, sit on it and hope for its value to increase, trade it, give it to a friend, or even burn it. It's a tangible object that I own.

If I acquire Ronaldo in eFootball 2022 or FUT 22, what sort of value does it hold from an investment perspective? Virtually nothing. I can utilize said player within the game until it's made irrelevant exactly one year later when the subsequent title/patch is released and all of my purchases are rendered null and void. I can't sell my account or the player in question for real money because that goes against their ToS and I could have my account terminated. Going back to ownership, I don't even own any of the content I've purchased or unlocked in a video game. It's technically the developer/publisher's. Not to mention, it's evanescent in nature since all of your items vanish into an abyss the moment the game's server gets shut down. 10-years from now, I won't be able sell my eFootball 2022 Ronaldo on eBay for a handsome sum.
 
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The only crossplay shit I was really interested in seeing was an in-game mini server for user created option files.
And an infrastructure that didn't render every option useless after any tiny in-game update.
Some sports games I had back in 08/09 had this.

Hell, as scummy a company as Konami are, I'd move every stadium, face & kit creator they have on their payroll into a separate 'company'. Have them create every stadium, league, kit & player that ever existed and upload it as a 'unofficial' user made file :D

Then they could solely focus on gameplay for their 3yr f'king plan.
I've been hearing '3yr plan' for the last decade+, have they actually got past the 2nd yr with any of them? Serious question.

Anyway, I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to hear every preview & review state what an awesome 'base' this yrs game has to build on. :BRICK:
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