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Are you suggesting that people from Brazil can't work out what paid for content is? That's a very insulting generalisation you're making if that's what you're implying. Apologies if I've misread your post.
im saying that from what i saw and know. i bet a lot of ppl are buying the game thinking its the normal 1 game per year

i say that from being a brazilian and knowing ppl/youtubers/etc
got that impression especially after watching the video from PES forum brazilian youtuber. I have no idea why you are defending yourself implying some type of racism, ppl here just love pes and buy every year, and konami being so incompetent with PR (on purpuse i guess) can make that happen
 
Wow. Was wondering when the paranoia would surface. Here's a fun fact... There are actually people who can express their own opinions without being influenced by others. If you've never met one before... Hello, I'm David, pleased to meet you good sir.
relax man everybody its posting memes and playing with you

i do hope the game its at least fun and playable as well, but knowing konami history and what they did after the pes2020 demo (to remove the skillgap so they can manipulate the game better) we know where this will lead to
 
im saying that from what i saw and know. i bet a lot of ppl are buying the game thinking its the normal 1 game per year

i say that from being a brazilian and knowing ppl/youtubers/etc
got that impression especially after watching the video from PES forum brazilian youtuber. I have no idea why you are defending yourself implying some type of racism, ppl here just love pes and buy every year, and konami being so incompetent with PR (on purpuse i guess) can make that happen
Apologies. I was curious why you thought Brazilians would think this was a game you had to pay for. I don't know how this game has been marketed in Brazil, so if it has been handled differently to what I've seen in the UK, then the best I can do on here is say sorry.
 
relax man everybody its posting memes and playing with you

i do hope the game its at least fun and playable as well, but knowing konami history and what they did after the pes2020 demo (to remove the skillgap so they can manipulate the game better) we know where this will lead to
No worries! Hard to know what's said in jest and what's not on here. I was expecting someone to say I work for Konami at some point, surprised it took so long, regardless of whether it was a joke or not!

Good to hear you wanting the game to succeed. I'm not happy that it's gone from an annual physical release to an always updated F2P model, but I'd rather have this than no football game related to PES at all. UFL and Goalz don't appear to be worthy replacements based on what I've heard so far.
 
I won't. Because i won't buy Myclub. But they try to sell thing, it's F2P game. Simple.
Like if you discovered for the first time the DLC and all costume or whatever weapon, you got to paid to get them on a F2P game, or you will spend 20-30 hours to get those stuffs.
Come on. (i don't talk to you personally mate lol, not at all)
Myclub will be free ;)
 
Apologies. I was curious why you thought Brazilians would think this was a game you had to pay for. I don't know how this game has been marketed in Brazil, so if it has been handled differently to what I've seen in the UK, then the best I can do on here is say sorry.

Here many brazilian websites and/or youtube videos are treating these "premium pack" as a DLC (and a really dont understand why).

I think that is the main reason for this kind of misconception about the game that robozaoGOAT mentioned about.

Theres are a lot of people moaning about the pack and saying the game is gonna be "pay 2 win".

Actually what surprised me is just the price. 200 "reais" is basically the price of a full game.
 
Here many brazilian websites and/or youtube videos are treating these "premium pack" as a DLC (and a really dont understand why).

I think that is the main reason for this kind of misconception about the game that robozaoGOAT mentioned about.

Theres are a lot of people moaning about the pack and saying the game is gonna be "pay 2 win".

Actually what surprised me is just the price. 200 "reais" is basically the price of a full game.
exactly and i think its this way with purpuse

ppl just look and say hey the game its out we can pre order and get some bonus

look at the price and think its the full game, and well maybe it will be more expensive later on, ok lets do it....
 
Here many brazilian websites and/or youtube videos are treating these "premium pack" as a DLC (and a really dont understand why).

I think that is the main reason for this kind of misconception about the game that robozaoGOAT mentioned about.

Theres are a lot of people moaning about the pack and saying the game is gonna be "pay 2 win".

Actually what surprised me is just the price. 200 "reais" is basically the price of a full game.
That's disappointing to hear that's being sold in that way. Are those sites separate from Konami and marketing it differently?
 
That's disappointing to hear that's being sold in that way. Are those sites separate from Konami and marketing it differently?
Surely you can see that the UK listings are also pretty similar to the way @robozaoGOAT is talking about the Brazilian listings, right?

To those following carefully, we know it's F2P and the pre-order package is for coins and "chance deals". But I can imagine someone who casually likes PES not really following it all, seeing a preorder package with the branding and pricing of a game and thinking it's just a game pre-order and buying it accordingly.
 
I'm with you (without being against Joga) Superloop.
You're just a bit too "relative" to that thread : people here are angry, and there's reasons. But well, i thinked it could be some adult discussion like you did with RobbieRyan for example. Or i don't know. But when i read "it's like PES 2010" well i'll be honest PES 2010 is the best looking PES we gotted in terms of lighting, so i personnally found the shape not ugly at all :JAY: just missing details, yes, agree. So it means it looks better than PES 2015 to 2021 : as no one have reached that level. The difference is PES 2010 lighting was precalculated... But well, i'm talking in vain. But i don't found Fifa 22 vids just graphically super neither.

And don't think i'm totally with their : i just try to adapt and to not check too much about ITW. I got PES 2021 that i will update with Efootball stats lol, retro PES-FIFA games, etc. so waiting isn't a problem. That's all. But if the price of their DLC is too high for modes : i will clearly tell them to go to shit on their twitter account, and trow Kimura over the bridge.

The thing is : devs aren't responsible. One man is. It's the one you should put on your sight, not all the team working under. Same for EA, it's the executive who choose the direction arcadey, but for them, i think they're a bit more free and listen too much to young complaints or Esports players. Way too much, it's visible in their version, year after year.

In fact, i'm already enough sad to joke about it. PES is more than a game to me, and i got the right not to "believe", but have some recoil and hope, and don't take every words they said and turn it into jokes, like the 5 meters things. He perhaps talked about dribbling, you know it's not the first and not the last lost in translation from Japan > English.
Tons of example i don't even remember as there's too much.
But i admit the "more meters of fun in the next update" killed me. It's when it become a loop and repetitive jokes than it's not funny anymore guys.
 
Surely you can see that the UK listings are also pretty similar to the way @robozaoGOAT is talking about the Brazilian listings, right?

To those following carefully, we know it's F2P and the pre-order package is for coins and "chance deals". But I can imagine someone who casually likes PES not really following it all, seeing a preorder package with the branding and pricing of a game and thinking it's just a game pre-order and buying it accordingly.
I must admit, I would not have seen that eFootball pre-order coins thing if someone hadn't posted a link. I can't see it being actively pushed on their website or social media channels.

Just did a search on their Twitter though and there is a reply to a query about it that takes people to a Steam link. Yeah, I can see why that can be misleading if you don't know eFootball is F2P. It's not something I would personally be confused by, but I can't speak for others.
 
Surely you can see that the UK listings are also pretty similar to the way @robozaoGOAT is talking about the Brazilian listings, right?

To those following carefully, we know it's F2P and the pre-order package is for coins and "chance deals". But I can imagine someone who casually likes PES not really following it all, seeing a preorder package with the branding and pricing of a game and thinking it's just a game pre-order and buying it accordingly.
I'm not concerned about micro-transactions just to say : i live in Belgium and it's forbidden :TTTH:
I can say for that, i'm proud of my country. Well it's F2P game, so... It's like normal to paid for characters (well players packs in that case). But the price, Jesus, i can't believe my eyes
I only hope mode DLCs won't be considered as MT (microtransactions > too long now it's MT to me) and won't be that expensive, ffs 30 or 40 euros practically!

And yes, i still believe we will get some kind ML in 2023, whatever some people thinks we won't have anything. Also reassured about one thing : there's a CPU AI and it's not worst than what we have with PES from vids.
 
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In a scale of 1 to 10 do you need me to give you a probability of me doing business with koinami again?
I'd say 10. With 10 being you will and that you doing business includes buying a physical game of theres or downloading a free/not so free game of theres in the next 50 years.

When Konami release the next gen version of Poy Poy, you'll be all over that surely? You played the first one, right?

I do genuinely love that first game by the way
 
The thing is : devs aren't responsible. One man is. It's the one you should put on your sight, not all the team working under. Same for EA, it's the executive who choose the direction arcadey, but for them, i think they're a bit more free and listen too much to young complaints or Esports players. Way too much, it's visible in their version, year after year.

Yeah I feel sorry for the actual developers & engineers behind the scenes. They will take all the blame, while the execs are yelling at them through a phone to hurry up! .. probably eating lobster at some holiday resort.

P.S I was going to apologize to you specifically before my fishing meme post, but I was so excited about my comic sans that I forgot :LOL: I will try to keep the memes to minimum .. but they make it so easy !
 
I'd say 10. With 10 being you will and that you doing business includes buying a physical game of theres or downloading a free/not so free game of theres in the next 50 years.

When Konami release the next gen version of Poy Poy, you'll be all over that surely? You played the first one, right?

I do genuinely love that first game by the way
i had no idea what poy poy was
 
No prob @Joga i ain't "resentful" (i don't know if it's the same meaning in english) neither the others who put a laugh > mocking on my previous post.
It was also a nervous post. When you got to scroll again and again and read in diagonal to found something interesting, and you see all that bashing...
I don't know, when you're already a bit sad of what direction it took, you just react a bit "harsh" if i could say.
That's human. And i don't remember whatever you said directly to me... You didn't, i don't see the issue bro, peace

But in other part, as i was with PESuniverse and told to the boss to stop sucking balls to Konami, and all those tweet, i just want to buy a virtual Gatling.
And shoot all over their promotion posts.
You probably know that it's the closest team from Konami, so they make often some publicity, promote them... They fears to say what they think, like TTB is a good guy, but blocked a bit by Konami. They also sended us free copy, but to work on it (so it's legit).

Konami's guys played PESuni OF on their office, and got inspired about some of our things, like Carrasco to their Licenced clubs kits for example.
So they played with my stuff last year and the year before, but for the 2019 version i don't get it lol, there were tons of better OF at the time.
 
Given the clearly incomplete status of the game so close to 'launch', so much that the couldn't even have 3D grass in the PS5 demo in Hong Kong less than a month before launch, it's clear that this 'full game' is not only a demo but a rough one around the edges. There are simply too many gameplay features 'waiting for updates', which is pretty much unacceptable without even having the 2-3 year development context.

That said, there are quite a few brand new gameplay elements that are worth getting excited for, especially for FUMA players. I like the direction the gameplay is heading, towards giving more control to players and removing assists. Despite it launching in such a miserable status, I think it's worth getting on board from the get go to get used to the new mechanics.

I made a video about the new improvements spotted in haphazard Japanese articles, leaked footage etc:

Decent video. Thanks for putting the time in to put that together!
 
No prob @Joga i ain't "resentful" (i don't know if it's the same meaning in english) neither the others who put a laugh > mocking on my previous post.
It was also a nervous post. When you got to scroll again and again and read in diagonal to found something interesting, and you see all that bashing...
I don't know, when you're already a bit sad of what direction it took, you just react a bit "harsh" if i could say.
That's human. And i don't remember whatever you said directly to me... You didn't, i don't see the issue bro, peace

But in other part, as i was with PESuniverse and told to the boss to stop sucking balls to Konami, and all those tweet, i just want to buy a virtual Gatling.
And shoot all over their promotion posts.
You probably know that it's the closest team from Konami, so they make often some publicity, promote them... They fears to say what they think, like TTB is a good guy, but blocked a bit by Konami. They also sended us free copy, but to work on it (so it's legit).

Konami's guys played PESuni OF on their office, and got inspired about some of our things, like Carrasco to their Licenced clubs kits for example.
So they played with my stuff last year and the year before, but for the 2019 version i don't get it lol, there were tons of better OF at the time.

I know what it was, I said "some people" can't deal with the memes. It was a hasty & dumb generalization and I do apologize. In my short time here, I have learned many new things about this game from your posts :WORSHIP: Consider the memes a rebellion (of sort) though ..

This negativity from fans has been building & has been shutdown for years by fanbois. People that complained about scripting were labelled conspiracy theorists. People who asked for more master league features were told to wait .. & wait.. I contacted their "support" multiple times & just got bot e-mail replies. As Slamsoze said earlier I am glad they are finally being honest. They will kill it, just like they did MGS & their whole library of classic art.

I saw some guy on reddit/twitter complaining about the coin announcement, only to get "shutdown" with a guy saying " It's a business, how do you think they make money ?".. this is level of thinking is just so ignorant & basic. This hivemind are ultimately supporting a multi-billion dollar company that is scamming it's own customers?

So I guess my point is, we have tried to be constructive but got shutdown for telling the truth .. so what else is there left but banter lol?
 
Well it would be a paradise if just by downloading the game if it's F2P, Devs would makes enough money.
Yeah, they're not wrong and you're not wrong neither about the business part, especially with the new format...
But it's about how much it cost, and how informations are released. They corrected a bit with informations about "what's the point to buy a pack for a mode we don't know what it means?", but it should have been done first, not 2 days later.

Now, if the price for some shitty stuffs is way too expensive, well, Kimura "tried" at least to get more money he could, but the price will drop when he see in two months 50 download for 100000 users haha.

Yes i understand it as more a big anger, on fire, that result to post not really thinked. I understand, but some were so much streched by the hair like we said in french language, that it was even dumber than the Kimura answer : not a single basic answer was took like "well it's a point of view", no.
At least if ONE people who said it, but it wasn't. This thread needs a bit of releasing anger but also a bit of seriousness.

We're, at least i am, talking to a game i follow since 1998-99 (don't remember the date of Iss Pro evolution 1) and became fan. It's more than a simple game, it's the reason i'm continuing to play some video games. Also, thanks to EA to have put an alternative on PS3 era.
Otherwhise i think i would never known for example if the game was exctinct after or during PS3 neither From Software games and some Souls like (Bloodborne especially which is on my top 3 of the best game i played in my whole life), Top Spin, GOW HD, Fight Night etc.

The issue is that even if there were some enjoyable PES / People were like, when i talked about PES 17 "PES still exist?"... It became synonym of Has Been.
No joke. Even when PES became more enjoyable than Fifa overally from the majority, the game still have the sticker "Has been" on their forehead.
Many, many people i know, ex-PES real super FANS was like they forgot the existence of the serie, since PS3 era, Fifa gotted licences, exclusivity and playable/enjoyable versions. No needs to send them patchs or O.F. anymore : FIFA got it at launch so...

Now that i'm thinkin of it, i understand a bit more the name's change, well even "Pro evolution soccer" in fact doesn't makes sense aswell as the longest name in history of game on the top 5 ISS Pro Evolution Soccer (if you spelled what "ISS" means :LOL:)
Well "Winning Eleven" was a cool name from a not english speeker, i don't get the change but it's the past. Like Biohazard > Resident Evil from Capcom.
Both were cool, Biohazard makes less "horror" game, but Biohazard is cooler, one simple word.
 
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I agree, Winning Eleven was the best name. The one with the strangest name started it all for me too :LOL:

I was playing FIFA 95 on mega drive through to FIFA 99 on PC religiously. Then I found out about ISS Pro Evolution on PS1.. Absolute game changer, the depth was unmatched. I did a couple of scissor goals on FIFA 2000 & never touched it again :LMAO: Some friends would refuse to play ISS because they couldn't manage the turning inertia & shot timing. They would keep ballooning the ball over the bar because they were so used to the laser beam shots & dribbling in FIFA.

This game used to be developed with such obvious care & passion, good times.
 
Well it would be a paradise if just by downloading the game if it's F2P, Devs would makes enough money.
Yeah, they're not wrong and you're not wrong neither about the business part, especially with the new format...
But it's about how much it cost, and how informations are released. They corrected a bit with informations about "what's the point to buy a pack for a mode we don't know what it means?", but it should have been done first, not 2 days later.

Now, if the price for some shitty stuffs is way too expensive, well, Kimura "tried" at least to get more money he could, but the price will drop when he see in two months 50 download for 100000 users haha.

Yes i understand it as more a big anger, on fire, that result to post not really thinked. I understand, but some were so much streched by the hair like we said in french language, that it was even dumber than the Kimura answer : not a single basic answer was took like "well it's a point of view", no.
At least if ONE people who said it, but it wasn't. This thread needs a bit of releasing anger but also a bit of seriousness.

We're, at least i am, talking to a game i follow since 1998-99 (don't remember the date of Iss Pro evolution 1) and became fan. It's more than a simple game, it's the reason i'm continuing to play some video games. Also, thanks to EA to have put an alternative on PS3 era.
Otherwhise i think i would never known for example if the game was exctinct after or during PS3 neither From Software games and some Souls like (Bloodborne especially which is on my top 3 of the best game i played in my whole life), Top Spin, GOW HD, Fight Night etc.

The issue is that even if there were some enjoyable PES / People were like, when i talked about PES 17 "PES still exist?"... It became synonym of Has Been.
No joke. Even when PES became more enjoyable than Fifa overally from the majority, the game still have the sticker "Has been" on their forehead.
Many, many people i know, ex-PES real super FANS was like they forgot the existence of the serie, since PS3 era, Fifa gotted licences, exclusivity and playable/enjoyable versions. No needs to send them patchs or O.F. anymore : FIFA got it at launch so...

Now that i'm thinkin of it, i understand a bit more the name's change, well even "Pro evolution soccer" in fact doesn't makes sense aswell as the longest name in history of game on the top 5 ISS Pro Evolution Soccer (if you spelled what "ISS" means :LOL:)
Well "Winning Eleven" was a cool name from a not english speeker, i don't get the change but it's the past. Like Biohazard > Resident Evil from Capcom.
Both were cool, Biohazard makes less "horror" game, but Biohazard is cooler, one simple word.
Are you a not yet released game specialist or what? I see you around here only talking a non sense words or just your speculations, responding to everyoane.
 
Let's wait until then.
This should be the catchphrase of eFootball 2022. Like "the pitch is ours" in the past. This year must be:

"Let's wait until......"

Honestly, this is not personal to you, but since the New Football Online Beta Test, it must be more than 100 times that someone concluded with this phrase.

And the sad part is, we wait and in the end we eat shite! Pending for a" let's wait until.. " that will have a happy ending.
 
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