eFootball (All Platforms)

Anyway since people discuss about animation. I have expected from the beginning Konami will build e-football animation based on PES 2020/21 and add here and there. Don't expect them to start over or or like you see on rush football youtube video.

IMO, The football player animation must be fit for purpose, I am thinking about NBA 2k21 running, sprinting animation.. imagine that on football game. Would not fit. Starting over animation engine may take a lot resources and risky. That's why either e-football or FIFA 22 animation looks similiar from last year by the look of it.
 
staffan said:
Apparently the "research institute" didn't notice any room for improvement in shot physics...



Why is a floaty near post finesse shot beating Neuer so easily? And yet you can bet if it was a 90mph top corner screamer from 30 yards he'd fly across the goal like superman.

The handful of other improvements do not matter for me if scoring is still a wet blanket. The nets having the appearance and physics of a chain-link fence don't help either especially when you compare it to the competition.
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I really dislike the finesse shot in pes. Its floaty and has zero whip. The kicking animation is wrong too
 
Hels The Ronin said:
Both of you are ok. I am HIGHLY dissapointed and really angered with this eFootball, in first place, because Fox Engine is still the physics engine and UE is only renderer, and is probably quite bad designed. In second place, because they decided to build over a mobile game, yet the engine is the same so there might be a chance that gameplay is NOT THAT BAD, not a high chance, but there is still some light.

But... I try to be positive. I see this game as Konami trying to get money and time to maybe later resurrect PES with a game that really pleases hardcore fans.

Cause sooner or later, they will have to make the jump into UE, but honestly, i preffer them to make a F2P game that they can use to learn how to code and work with UE than a completely mess that they have to rearrange in later yearly entries, all of them being medium quality, and all of them being charged full price.

Tbh, like a customer, I don't think this strategy is THAT BAD. It pleases both of us as long as they make a later entry that aims to actually be next-gen, something they will sooner or later have to make cause there you have already UFL built completely in UE and probably having better animations. And it pleases both of us because if it is shit, we are not forced to pay a single penny, and let's them learn the code, and Konami will make some decent amount of money with 0 effort, but at the same time, if they eventually want to keep updated with their game, they will need to make an eFootball 2 with full next-gen graphics and physics, and that's the one I will be interested in.

In the meanwhile? I will have plenty of options. PES 2021 modded for off-line play, PES 2014 modded aswell, maybe going back to FIFA 2022 if modding scene manages to give a more sim feeling, UFL for online play, and even eFootball if at the end is NOT THAT BAD, and modders can work on their off-line part.

So my message, guys, is... Don't get mad, we have plenty of options, this is a transition game, and better times will come. Worst scenario is eFootball is a failure, and maybe Konami dies. We will still have old PES made up till the momment, and maybe with the time code becomes available if it becomes abandonware. If that happens, maybe UFL decides to go with an off-line mode, who knows. Another option is eFootball is a failure, Konami exploits another saga, and finally decide to go back with PES, having in count FIFA is quite shitty. And other option, that is the most probable one, is that eFootball is not a big failure, but not either a big success, and finally they do a second game full next-gen, without crossplay to mobiles, and all comes to it's place.

Is quite obvious that for 2 or 3 years we will have eFootball, and I am sure that this game won't be good enough, and after 2 or 3 years, when next-gen is already current one, they will have to develop a new game if they want to have any player playing their game. If they don't, people working in Konami maybe go to Strikerz, Strikerz do an off-line mode having more people and maybe on-line success, and we will have a replacement (and maybe a better one) to PES. If Konami decides to develop eFootball 2, it will be fully next-gen and as I said, probably not cross-platform, because they will have seen how much of a bad idea is that, and actually they will have already this upcoming eFootball for that purpose. And if they finally make a sequel in UE, they will have gotten already experience as to not make a mess.

We will see, the near future is quite shitty, but in 2 or 3 years, things will change, you will see.
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Thanks for your positive approach in this regard. In the end maintaining good opinions or not doesn't matter, because all we're in the same boat here and we've been tricked. Actually their plan is to develop eFootball for a long period and just update it eventually every season. They want to release a demo as a full product (even if its f2p), with less gameplay mechanics, without the R stick (simplified controls), simplified UI, then adding online content into it that will not be free at all. Most people from this forum on EvoWeb community are offline fanatics / modders / content creators, people that had enjoyed the content of PES during many years (the release date every year was like a Christmas for them), but now in a blink of an eye everything is gone. Not to mention that are people with youtube channels like Spoony Pizzas, TheTrueBrits, KnightMD, PESStoryMode, etc., where their main focus was mostly centered in offline modes, and now they can't produce their content anymore until next year, and that if eventually Konami will decide to implement some offline modes.

The main problem here is not the gameplay or the graphics/animations, but the direction and the path that this company was taking during the last 6 years. If you let the criticism about graphics and animations aside, there are others problems bigger here that are not that much questioned as they should: Why F2P? Why cross-play with MOBILES? Why SIMPLIFIED controls & UI aesthetic made for TOUCH SCREENS that will be implemented on consoles/PC? Nobody as gaming platform consumers asked them to implement all of this crap & they could easily stayed this year just with the console/PC cross platform EXCLUDING entirely the PHONES, maintaining the same (FULL/LIGHT VERSION) formula if they can't take the plunge yet into UE5 (that btw was falsely advertised with that teaser).
The only focus that they have is to use the same app for both: consoles and phone users to maximize profit via virtual currency, because their mobile version was generating in the past years lots of f2p downloads = big revenue in microtransactions, and was a success for them including now the objective to spread this filth further into the consoles/PC gaming market...

In the end I knew that this day will come, because all their franchises like Castlevania, SH & MGS were killed silently in a similar fashion, and PES was their only product still "alive". If you have big hopes for eFootball, well actually good for you. I respect that and I hope you'll find into it what you really want, but in my particular case (besides that those f2p are not my type), I'll reject it completely just because of their shady direction: one sheeshhly and cowardly taken...
 
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Plenty of Fifa 22 gameplay vídeos. I Wonder when Will we ever see some fullgameplay matchs of "efootball" considering we Will only get a fucking demo...

But who carnes anyway. We have a proper f2p football game and its not efootball. Cant wait to see more of UFL
 
Sovereign Hope said:
I really dislike the finesse shot in pes. Its floaty and has zero whip. The kicking animation is wrong too
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+1.

I absolutely hate with a passion this particular animation for the finesse shot, which is unfortunately the most common one. It should be so satisfying to shoot this way, yet whenever I try to in one of the current gen Pes it looks so bad I always feel like breaking immersion and I end up usually not doing it. I seriously do not understand how they could have come up with something so ugly and off putting, when generally there are a lot of other very nice animations for other kind of shootings or long balls.
 
Mikhail said:
With the greatest respect - we were expecting a beautiful new game on new technology (PS5 and Series X) using the Unreal Engine which Konami and their PR Goons have been crowing about for 2 years now.

What we're actually getting is a game that wouldn't look out of place on a standard PS4 unit.

People have had enough of Konami's lies and BS year after year. The animations look like shit, there are no modes apart from online myClub type crap and as things stand, there are 9 clubs to play with.

It's a huge letdown for many of us who have supported the franchise for decades now.

F**k Konami and their watered down, dumbed down, free-to-play piece of crap.
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PS4? You mean PS3 surely? 😭
 
etb10dmk said:
Thanks for your positive approach in this regard. In the end maintaining good opinions or not doesn't matter, because all we're in the same boat here and we've been tricked. Actually their plan is to develop eFootball for a long period and just update it eventually every season. They want to release a demo as a full product (even if its f2p), with less gameplay mechanics, without the R stick (simplified controls), simplified UI, then adding online content into it that will not be free at all. Most people from this forum on EvoWeb community are offline fanatics / modders / content creators, people that had enjoyed the content of PES during many years (the release date every year was like a Christmas for them), but now in a blink of an eye everything is gone. Not to mention that are people with youtube channels like Spoony Pizzas, TheTrueBrits, KnightMD, PESStoryMode, etc., where their main focus was mostly centered in offline modes, and now they can't produce their content anymore until next year, and that if eventually Konami will decide to implement some offline modes.

The main problem here is not the gameplay or the graphics/animations, but the direction and the path that this company was taking during the last 6 years. If you let the criticism about graphics and animations aside, there are others problems bigger here that are not that much questioned as they should: Why F2P? Why cross-play with MOBILES? Why SIMPLIFIED controls & UI aesthetic made for TOUCH SCREENS that will be implemented on consoles/PC? Nobody as gaming platform consumers asked them to implement all of this crap & they could easily stayed this year just with the console/PC cross platform EXCLUDING entirely the PHONES, maintaining the same (FULL/LIGHT VERSION) formula if they can't take the plunge yet into UE5 (that btw was falsely advertised with that teaser).
The only focus that they have is to use the same app for both: consoles and phone users to maximize profit via virtual currency, because their mobile version was generating in the past years lots of f2p downloads = big revenue in microtransactions, and was a success for them including now the objective to spread this filth further into the consoles/PC gaming market...

In the end I knew that this day will come, because all their franchises like Castlevania, SH & MGS were killed silently in a similar fashion, and PES was their only product still "alive". If you have big hopes for eFootball, well actually good for you. I respect that and I hope you'll find into it what you really want, but in my particular case (besides that those f2p are not my type), I'll reject it completely just because of their shady direction: one sheeshhly and cowardly taken...
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Thing is that what they are doing is quite much bread for today and hunger for tomorrow. That business model won't ensure forever and sooner or later Konami will be a completely disappeared company. I don't know if people in Konami are thinking about turning the company in a mobile games developer company of those kind of games that are shit and have almost no interest to real players. However, in that case Konami will die and some other company (maybe 2k) will get the market to be exploited. 2k already blew them in NBA, if they decide to fill the gap that Konami will leave in football simulation, they will probably get an enormous acceptation.

Besides 2k is expert in blending online and off-line, having microtransactions that are not exactly pay to win but really help a lot, and they would end up making BAL an amazing mode. Definitely I would sign PES and Konami's death in exchange for 2K developing a football game.

But that won't happen. Konami might be idiot, but if they make a subpar game in terms of gameplay in comparison to FIFA, or even more, their direct competitor now, UFL (I think I heard it will be F2P?), will mean loosing all the market, simply because is not a good game and there will be better options. It's not like it is on their chances to keep like that forever, they'll gradually loose players. And I don't believe they can't see that already.

So as I said before... Let's sit and wait and enjoy what we have already.
 
UFL not only F2P but online only. Probably (we don't know) the same for the other game which seems less interesting due to what their purpose (zero assistance in defence, Kurt from Fifa esport behind it) named Goalzz.
We won't get ML on efootball before 2022, ok. But probably cup, leagues, exhibtion mode, as they're easier to build, from DLC. So it's not "online only" but yes, "online focused". So the question is the CPU AI quality.
 
Yeah it's funny because it could be a big thing like a group of 5 teenagers in an university doing extra-stuffs in their club.
 
vialli82 said:
UFL not only F2P but online only. Probably (we don't know) the same for the other game which seems less interesting due to what their purpose (zero assistance in defence, Kurt from Fifa esport behind it) named Goalzz.
We won't get ML on efootball before 2022, ok. But probably cup, leagues, exhibtion mode, as they're easier to build, from DLC. So it's not "online only" but yes, "online focused". So the question is the CPU AI quality.
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CPU AI quality is quite an interesting point cause atm AI CPU is too robotic in PES, so it's something to be watched. However it's useless without some deep control scheme.

Dunno, a good sports game is a combination of several things, even doing a good arcade game is not that easy, imagine a simulation game.

And still, eFootball will be forced to try to do some quality simulation game or simply they will loose their market value since for arcade FIFA is already there.
 
That's the reason i don't have faith on those games. Remind how many where trying to concurrence PES at the time. Even ISS (made by Konami Osaka > KCEO / PES was made by Konami Tokyo KCET) was just "okay", not good. Same for Football Kingdom from Namco. And you can forget all the others games who tried to get a bit "simulation" (even if i hate that word), let's say balanced and giving a bit of variety, all of them was one dimensional. Awful ball physics and movement for most of games, and super robotic / it was more like a PS1 game with PS2 graphics.

AI quality is as much important for teamates reactions aswell as VS CPU. Both are linked in fact without the ball, it's similar. Now, with the ball, they've got to program it on each game separately (also some tweaks without the ball, but they keep the system of player you aren't moving with)

I don't know if technology could make them get closer or even better than the 2 games we have, but i don't think. Perhaps one of the two will be balanced, and may evolve in a good way but i don't believe it.
2K? they're too much American sports oriented, and it was 2K czech (who doesn't exist anymore) behind Top Spin. The reason : I don't remember EA's awful game, Gran Slam 2 or whatever the name, who took all the players licences, and they were in an impass then to continue their series.

It was probably a kind of rage quit when they tried to get some player for the next Top Spin, and "sorry but Djokovic or any other is now exclusive to another game". I don't think a series with that success from players but also sells can be abandonned like this by their producers.
I don't even know if 2K still got an European separated team, but they know how to make a sports game : but a football game is the hardest to recreate, with realism. To much players, too much teams, too much movements, too big pitch etc.

Well, i wish them a good luck, as they're the first trying since PS2 era (don't remember if there were one single "realistic" footie game on that gen, if someone got a name... Personnally it's out of my head completely)
Only, to me, one game got very good physics overall, is Virtua Striker 2 : even if it was arcade oriented. They really could've transform that basis in a "simuation", the feeling was realistic to me, no joke. But SEGA is king of Arcade, and to after Super Sidekicks, it was the best Football Arcade game created, with a big replay value and, weirdly, score pretty balanced. Just not access to stats etc., they were hidden. Just select your formation and let's go.
 
Firstly, like many of us, what ive seen in the last 2 trailers of efootball has been overly disappointing! Particularly compared to trailers of pes19-21 etc. But many people here are getting way too nutty in regards to their criticism of how the game will actually be on next gen console at RELEASE!!.. like they can see the future. Yeah animations look bad atm... its clearly unfinished. You have shadows missing.. you have bending ankles and sliding... . Yeah Konami need constructive criticism regarding their PR (releasing their current trailer which looks so unprofessional showing a game that looks so unfinished), not a game that hasn't even been released yet. Yeah my excitement for next gen PES has definitely waned, ever since seeing that first trailer announcement of the efootball change, but there's no point in getting hysterically negative about something that hasn't even occurred.
 
Sovereign Hope said:
I really dislike the finesse shot in pes. Its floaty and has zero whip. The kicking animation is wrong too
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Yeah the finesse shot animation for a near post finish like in this video doesn't look too good i agree.
Although for a far post finesse shooting animation i find it very satisfying most of the times.
The way Messi or Neymar for example shoots with finesse on a far post looks very nice.
It also has to do with the kicking style that the player has.For example someone who has that Neymar kicking style in free kicks and corners which looks nice,will most of the times use it for a far post finesse shot also and it will look nice.For someone else like De Bryune for example who has a free kick and corner kick style that don't look very good on my eyes,he will use the same style for a finesse also and it won't look too good.
So most of the times the finesse shot has to do with the kicking style that the player has.Some look good for me and some not so good.But that particular near post one looks probably the worst you're right.
 
Some seem to think that Konami might actually spend time updating the look of this game for next-gen, but would they? Have you ever played PUBG or Fortnite and been impressed with the graphics? They are functional at best, nothing to be marveled at. These games update regularily, sure, but looks are not what is being updated. And putting something in high frame rate does not equal better graphics. Also remember, Konami don't even have all the gameplay elements included at release. But they might make the game look like next-gen later!

They won't.
 
Isslander said:
Some seem to think that Konami might actually spend time updating the look of this game for next-gen, but would they? Have you ever played PUBG or Fortnite and been impressed with the graphics? They are functional at best, nothing to be marveled at. These games update regularly, sure, but looks are not what is being updated. And putting something in high frame rate does not equal better graphics. Also remember, Konami don't even have all the gameplay elements included at release. But they might make the game look like next-gen later!

They won't.
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actually Fortnite is getting updated to Unreal Engine 5 but that game is from Epic itself

for third party publisher like Konami it will be uncertain but the optimists will be surely hoping it to be so

that all depends on how well the launch of the game is imo as always with game-as-service model

if not it will become like Anthem - dead on arrival then EA pulled the plug
 
Just Another Customer said:
actually Fortnite is getting updated to Unreal Engine 5 but that game is from Epic itself

for third party publisher like Konami it will be uncertain but the optimists will be surely hoping it to be so

that all depends on how well the launch of the game is imo as always with game-as-service model

if not it will become like Anthem - dead on arrival then EA pulled the plug
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Indie studios with a few people developer team already are using UE5. The most recent example is Black Myth: Wukong game.
 
Hels The Ronin said:
Yes, it was. Problem with PES 2014 is that went out half baked, without rain, and with a lot of problems in terms of optimization, and such. Towards the end of its life it end up being a great game but it had already a tag. Worst PES ever. While it's probably one of best PES ever made along 2021.

In fact, IMHO, the perfect PES would be a mix between PES 2014 and PES 2021. PES 2021 has a problem with short dribblings, they are hard to do even with finesse dribbling, precisely for the reason you said. Long steps and longer ball touches. So at the end, you have a problem when you want to do dribblings in a small area. PES 2014 had a wider array of animations with and without the ball and made the game felt much better than any other subsequent PES.
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I've always said that one of the main reasons that PES 2014 failed was it was released on the PS3 (the PS4 was just 2 months away from launch), which wasn't powerful enough to run it. It should have been delayed and released on PS4 once the user base was established, and giving the game more time to develop.
This would have involved releasing PES 2014 some months later.

The release on PS3 was dressed up at the time, as caring for loyal customers, but actually was just a commercial decision, as Konami needed the sales revenue immediately. A season update on PES 2013 would have been a more sensible decision in my opinion, with a true Next Gen release for 2014 coming in a few months later on PS4. Even so, talk of the "leaked demo" on PS3, was highly complimentary.

I'd love to know how things would have turned out in a parallel universe had this happened, and Konami had developed PES 2014, but perhaps it was just too different for most people, and not the gameplay that the majority wanted.
 
On a lighter note, the whole "EFootball" thing makes me think of Alan Partridge.

"Consignia and Scope, what's that all about, everyone knows it's the * Post Office and the Spastics Society"!

* Whether you insert PES or PES Mobile is open to debate.

(For the avoidance of doubt, I mean that rebranding doesn't fool most people, especially existing customers, and doesn't disguise/alter the product).
 
staffan said:
Apparently the "research institute" didn't notice any room for improvement in shot physics...



Why is a floaty near post finesse shot beating Neuer so easily? And yet you can bet if it was a 90mph top corner screamer from 30 yards he'd fly across the goal like superman.

The handful of other improvements do not matter for me if scoring is still a wet blanket. The nets having the appearance and physics of a chain-link fence don't help either especially when you compare it to the competition.
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Or in this one where the keeper jumped so high that almost touched the crossbar with his head... but in the end, nice slam-dunk :APPLAUD:
 

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aussiepesfan said:
Firstly, like many of us, what ive seen in the last 2 trailers of efootball has been overly disappointing! Particularly compared to trailers of pes19-21 etc. But many people here are getting way too nutty in regards to their criticism of how the game will actually be on next gen console at RELEASE!!.. like they can see the future. Yeah animations look bad atm... its clearly unfinished. You have shadows missing.. you have bending ankles and sliding... . Yeah Konami need constructive criticism regarding their PR (releasing their current trailer which looks so unprofessional showing a game that looks so unfinished), not a game that hasn't even been released yet. Yeah my excitement for next gen PES has definitely waned, ever since seeing that first trailer announcement of the efootball change, but there's no point in getting hysterically negative about something that hasn't even occurred.
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What should we be doing then? Applauding?

Many people, myself included - look forward to a football game every year, especially PES.

I couldn’t wait for the next gen version of PES on a new engine.

Instead we’re getting eFootball. We’ve all played it. It was shit. The footage of the ‘full game’ is shit. We’re all pissed off and rightly so.

I do wish people would stop telling me how to feel about all of this.
 
Mikhail said:
What should we be doing then? Applauding?

Many people, myself included - look forward to a football game every year, especially PES.

I couldn’t wait for the next gen version of PES on a new engine.

Instead we’re getting eFootball. We’ve all played it. It was shit. The footage of the ‘full game’ is shit. We’re all pissed off and rightly so.

I do wish people would stop telling me how to feel about all of this.
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Feel about it however you want. Im pissed about what ive seen thus far as well. But remember you've only played the beta (of who knows what version) of efootball, predominantly as an online tester.. And the footage youve/we've seen is probably the 'full version' of a working title, not the final release, or itd be out already. Be as angry as want - about the current state and what you think the future will hold.
 
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