eFootball (All Platforms)

[vialli82]

I know, i know, even remember itw with him, but he wasn't that high in the hierarchy of the whole stuff from what i remember.
Needs to check since when... To see if the rumor was true.
If i said he took the place of the "directive executor" or i don't know how to call the last guy tooking decision in a game, that's obvious he was already in Konami's dev team.

 

[Tricky Dance Moves]

can't wait for eHockey

 

[Flipper the Priest]

This guy just demonstrates how lazy and amateurish were made those eFootbal trailers by Konami . He removed and put together just the best cuts, added some music sparks for 3 minutes in top of them, and voilà:


With some perfume added during 3 minutes (instead of 12), their crap could smell way better...

To be fair, Konami would've been absolutely excoriated for using a [checks] 15 year-old song that really sounds 15 years old.

 

[staffan]

Apparently the "research institute" didn't notice any room for improvement in shot physics...



Why is a floaty near post finesse shot beating Neuer so easily? And yet you can bet if it was a 90mph top corner screamer from 30 yards he'd fly across the goal like superman.

The handful of other improvements do not matter for me if scoring is still a wet blanket. The nets having the appearance and physics of a chain-link fence don't help either especially when you compare it to the competition.

 

[etb10dmk]

Apparently the "research institute" didn't notice any room for improvement in shot physics...



Why is a floaty near post finesse shot beating Neuer so easily? And yet you can bet if it was a 90mph top corner screamer from 30 yards he'd fly across the goal like superman.

The handful of other improvements do not matter for me if scoring is still a wet blanket. The nets having the appearance and physics of a chain-link fence don't help either especially when you compare it to the competition.

The suspicion of many was that Konami used the AI on beginner difficulty to capture better their animations for the trailer. The problem in this case: who the hell will do a short pass directly in the direction of the attacker, especially if you are the last man in the line of defense? There should be other ways to point and justify that mechanic, not in a stupid situation that mostly could never happen...

 

[Richie]

FIFA is for boys, eFootball is for m...obiles.

 

[Paynekiller]

Excuse me but i beg to oppose to all this negativity.
Believe me im the person who gets disappointed really quick and easily BUT

The gameplay trailer gave me good impressions:

- Animations and movement in general look very smooth compared to 2021
- Footplanting is very accurate, and it portrays inertia very good . Watch the scene with iniesta, and neymar, and then RAshford.
Watch how naturally defenders got wrong footed and how this is portrayed. Because in real soccer passing by a defender is based on this. To make him put his weight on one foot at the wrong time and place. This is very obvious in the trailer.
- Ball has more detail in spinning and rolling, even on bouncing. Also it seemed very independed from player's body (Rashford and Neymar Scene)
- Add all this to the fact that online testers said that the game is more responsive.

I m not saying that this game is going to be a masterpiece, but i have seen some light of hope for the next iterations.

Don't allow your loyalty to the PES franchise or your possible contempt for the other game "skate" over the slew of problems the trailer has shown and the glorified demo will bring next month. Just look at it, man. This is a potential train wreck in progress.

 

[Isslander]

I can't believe Messi puts his name to this garbage. It's not as if he needs the money.

Messi: I have to cry in that press conference so the Barca fans won't hate me but it will be hard
Messi's Dad: Just think about what Konami are doing to PES
Messi:

 

[hitmanuk]

can't wait for eHockey

Studs for boots will stop the sliding. Only £9.99

 

[flokiman]

Don't allow your loyalty to the PES franchise or your possible contempt for the other game "skate" over the slew of problems the trailer has shown and the glorified demo will bring next month. Just look at it, man. This is a potential train wreck in progress.

I don't see something wrong in this video, really. I see very nice and realistic animations.
Don't forget its a video in slowmotion where every discrepancy on animations is very exaggerated.
oh and i have no loyatly. If you search for my posts, i am very strict when i judge soccer games.
To be more accurate, i don't care about tactics and AI bugs etc.
I want to enjoy a smooth realistic soccer game.
As for grass etc, i have faith in modding community.
I guess most of us are prejudiced because of the crossplatform announcement (running a mobile game on ps5 or pc) and because of the very primitive online beta.
I just say...let's wait and see!

 

[༺Ƥeຮ༻]

I don't see something wrong in this video, really. I see very nice and realistic animations.
Don't forget its a video in slowmotion where every discrepancy on animations is very exaggerated.
oh and i have no loyatly. If you search for my posts, i am very strict when i judge soccer games.
To be more accurate, i don't care about tactics and AI bugs etc.
I want to enjoy a smooth realistic soccer game.
As for grass etc, i have faith in modding community.
I guess most of us are prejudiced because of the crossplatform announcement (running a mobile game on ps5 or pc) and because of the very primitive online beta.
I just say...let's wait and see!

Come on Floki, mate,you must smock something...

I saw your first comment and.. looks like you don't get it, why people are not happy and angry ! We was lie all the time, are you don't get it ? Konami promised a real next gen experience, so the community agreed to wait and play the same game for two years. We saw next gen FIFA with all.... cool looking next gen graphics and we were tricked into thinking that Konami was using Unreal Engine and PES would be even better. It turned out that all this was a lie. Now what we get is a cheap mobile game which will use the old engine and will use Unreal only for some rendering craps, that aims to take maximum profit with minimal effort.

Apparently everyone here, we need to understand that PES is gone, done, caput , dead, end........ Konami, the people who worked on PES are gone and now behind eF are a small group of people who a huge part of them do not know what they are doing, having one goal, as I said in early! Minimal effort to take maximum profit, as is the goal of all mobile games.

Of course, if you decide to be positive, you will always see something good in a frame of these insanely bad trailers for many reasons, and you have every right to do so, but you have to understand why almost all of us are dissatisfied.

 

[Sami 1999]

can't wait for eHockey

Holy shit, not even ps1 football games had that much sliding and floating.

 

[Pistol90]

They spent 95% of budget of having Messi say few words, and online gambling mechanich ... you can bet on that.
Rest 5% was spent on porting mobile game to PC, PS4 and PS5 ....
They didnt even done that right, because there are soo many missing features from previous games.

That's reality folks ...

 

[Joga]

Yup, reality.. It's not even capitalism anymore, it is blatantly corrupt & manipulative greed. They bled Radio, TV, Hollywood Film dry (in that order). Sucked the life out of em with bullshit marketing. Then they realized that people are now gaming instead, more than ever. Thus, they have arrived.

I hate to make this political in any way, I bloody well enjoyed the comforts of capitalism growing up. Had a blast n all that. But the facts don't lie. This is no longer about paying for a quality product, or even "service". It is now, about lootbox mechanics, DLC's & how to deceive the customer without losing them. As stated above, there is also no real transparency with what they use the funds for either.

/angry koala rant off.

EDIT: @Sami 1999 "Probably spent all the FUT and myclub money on weed." Weed would've helped with the creativity of the trailer. My guess is heavy cocaine use

 

[wkhalil]

Come on Floki, mate,you must smock something...

I saw your first comment and.. looks like you don't get it, why people are not happy and angry ! We was lie all the time, are you don't get it ? Konami promised a real next gen experience, so the community agreed to wait and play the same game for two years. We saw next gen FIFA with all.... cool looking next gen graphics and we were tricked into thinking that Konami was using Unreal Engine and PES would be even better. It turned out that all this was a lie. Now what we get is a cheap mobile game which will use the old engine and will use Unreal only for some rendering craps, that aims to take maximum profit with minimal effort.

Apparently everyone here, we need to understand that PES is gone, done, caput , dead, end........ Konami, the people who worked on PES are gone and now behind eF are a small group of people who a huge part of them do not know what they are doing, having one goal, as I said in early! Minimal effort to take maximum profit, as is the goal of all mobile games.

Of course, if you decide to be positive, you will always see something good in a frame of these insanely bad trailers for many reasons, and you have every right to do so, but you have to understand why almost all of us are dissatisfied.

Definitely the anger in the community is justified but it wouldn't hurt to be positive wait and see the final product. It is what it is, the community have been complaining for sometime now and apparently Konmai don't care or going in a certain direction.

 

[Andy]

I like how they mention this "Stealing the ball" like it's something remarkable. After playing the pes6 GP on 21, i see it used to be there 15 years ago! I can't remember for later versions but they do like to big themselves up, for eventually fixing something that they nerfed.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

A french youtuber thinks that Konami knew already that new football games will be released, free.

That's why they changed their plan about the futur of the game

Sure... and if so then what? Nothing is for free, even if it is then its poor quality.

 

[flokiman]

Come on Floki, mate,you must smock something...

I saw your first comment and.. looks like you don't get it, why people are not happy and angry ! We was lie all the time, are you don't get it ? Konami promised a real next gen experience, so the community agreed to wait and play the same game for two years. We saw next gen FIFA with all.... cool looking next gen graphics and we were tricked into thinking that Konami was using Unreal Engine and PES would be even better. It turned out that all this was a lie. Now what we get is a cheap mobile game which will use the old engine and will use Unreal only for some rendering craps, that aims to take maximum profit with minimal effort.

Apparently everyone here, we need to understand that PES is gone, done, caput , dead, end........ Konami, the people who worked on PES are gone and now behind eF are a small group of people who a huge part of them do not know what they are doing, having one goal, as I said in early! Minimal effort to take maximum profit, as is the goal of all mobile games.

Of course, if you decide to be positive, you will always see something good in a frame of these insanely bad trailers for many reasons, and you have every right to do so, but you have to understand why almost all of us are dissatisfied.

We are disappointed by OUR OWN EXPECTATIONS.
Me too, i had greater expectations for PES 22, or efootball.
For me the crossplatform announcement and the online beta was a huge letdown.
If the final product is like online beta, then yes. I will be mad and feel betrayed by KONAMI.
But somehow this gameplay trailer made me think that game maybe not be as bad as i expect. That's all.
Surely 2 months ago my expectations was a lot higher.
Lets wait and see.
Also modders do miracles.
The vanilla PES 21 and version i play now (with gameplay and graphic mods) is a very different game.

 

[Nacho10]

Sad but true....specially the bold parts.
Isn´t that strange?

When they switched to Fox Engine with PES 2014, they had a lot more in the pocket....MASS, Heart (whether it was good or not), right stick body shifting....animations, ball physics.....they came up with new stuff and introduced that a lot better (except for ML and some other modes).
But the game was too much for current gen.

Now we have another generation of next gen and they cut the game down to the bottom.
What an irony.....

Of course I´ll give it a go, but I don´t believe that this game will be on the same level as PES 2021. I highly doubt that.

It´s just sad.....potential was always there and they keep shooting themselves in their leg. Reminds me a bit of Star Wars 7 - 9, when you destroy something great just like that.

From Barycentic physics to Barelyany physics in under 10 years.

 

[Hels The Ronin]

Guys, there's nothing that bad with animations. Animations are PES 2021 level, more or less. Have in count they are unifying mobile and PC, so it's obviously that there will be some heritage. Problem here is how you trigger those animations, that is, control scheme. The animations might seem more ice hockey cause they are (or they try to be) less robotic, more fluid, more FIFA-like, and they are trying to replicate the FIFA style where dribbling has more relevance, but that doesn't mean they are actually bad. They won't be as much arcady as FIFA, yet I would love to have seen next-gen animations. But actually they are Fox Engine animations. Don't know PES mobile, but is probably a game that inherits a lot from different PES from Fox Engine, and that not necessarily bad, or at least not worse than what we've gotten till the momment.

The problem is that how you trigger those animations will be excesively automated so that mobile users can play, meaning a simplified gameplay where you as player have less control over the movements of your player and all is much more randomly made, and that, IMHO, is shit. But that's all because of the control scheme. They are going to unify sprinting with special moves button, and removing Right Stick, and that quite much says it all.

All that I hope is that eventually they fix all this shit with a patch that eventually puts aside mobile users from console and PC users, simply because of the controls. It's a must-to-do thing.

About graphics? There you have Forza Horizon 4 that optimizes itself for each device where it is playing, they could do something like that with the game, eventually.

So essentially, if they make a patch that eliminates cross-platform with mobile and eventually divides the game on two different branches (yet having the same base engine, and even some shared updates, but not exactly the same game) we might have even a good game. More FIFA'ish, but yet a good game. However, if they are going to force me to play with the same dribbling and passing system than mobile devices, taking away all the fun of manual passing, shooting, and dribbling, there's where comes the problem.

I hope they realize this the sooner the better, cause a mobile game, even if it is great, is not the same that a console/pc one, and that's the reason of why you have, for example, CoD warzone, and CoD mobile.

 

[Hels The Ronin]

From Barycentic physics to Barelyany physics in under 10 years.

Nah, as I said, physics maybe aren't that bad. Indeed they might go for a more arcade experience, but they can fix that back in the future. Think that this game will be treated as service so it will be subject to many more changes than regular PES over it's life, so it's about to see.

 

[༺Ƥeຮ༻]

Guys, there's nothing that bad with animations. ...

 

[etb10dmk]

Definitely the anger in the community is justified but it wouldn't hurt to be positive wait and see the final product. It is what it is, the community have been complaining for sometime now and apparently Konmai don't care or going in a certain direction.

Well, lots of us we're positive during the last 6 years, slightly disappointed but more or less decently pleased with the previous versions... and finally when they decided to do a significant change officially announced with their "PES Next-Gen teaser", instead will get a blue & yellow mobile candy crush app ported to consoles/PC presented with love from the buttocks of their hearts...


But why complain if it's "free" right?

 

[Martovic]

 

[etb10dmk]

He's back home again, with us !!!

 

[Hels The Ronin]

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Like if that had never happened in any other PES, LMAO. You complaining now about this, being probably footage from an alpha, but never complained about it when it happened in finished versions of other PES? Seriously... Let's face it, that's an isolated animation, that you had to put in slow mo to be noticeable, and even irl sometimes your ankle does some deformation when planting your foot (yet not that exagerated). It's not well done, indeed is not well done. But if you put it at normal speed is not something you're going to see while playing, besides again, this is an alpha, and for that single animation, there are many others that, at least at normal speed, doesn't seem to have anything wrong with it.

Game seems to be functional, and it won't be until we have a pad in our hands that we will see if it works properly. I am further more concerned about automatization of several actions that even about this animations, that might, or might not, get better in the final product.

I mean... is probably not the best PES ever made in terms of animations, is not PES 2014, is not even 2021... but I think you're taking it to far here with the criticism.

 

[Thespeedster84]

We are disappointed by OUR OWN EXPECTATIONS.
Me too, i had greater expectations for PES 22, or efootball.
For me the crossplatform announcement and the online beta was a huge letdown.
If the final product is like online beta, then yes. I will be mad and feel betrayed by KONAMI.
But somehow this gameplay trailer made me think that game maybe not be as bad as i expect. That's all.
Surely 2 months ago my expectations was a lot higher.
Lets wait and see.
Also modders do miracles.
The vanilla PES 21 and version i play now (with gameplay and graphic mods) is a very different game.

Yes. PES 2021 is miracles on PC. Evo-web modders miracles . At least we've got something to play if release version efootball turns out underwhelming.

 

[Peter Withe]

Like if that had never happened in any other PES, LMAO. You complaining now about this, being probably footage from an alpha, but never complained about it when it happened in finished versions of other PES? Seriously... Let's face it, that's an isolated animation, that you had to put in slow mo to be noticeable, and even irl sometimes your ankle does some deformation when planting your foot (yet not that exagerated). It's not well done, indeed is not well done. But if you put it at normal speed is not something you're going to see while playing, besides again, this is an alpha, and for that single animation, there are many others that, at least at normal speed, doesn't seem to have anything wrong with it.

Game seems to be functional, and it won't be until we have a pad in our hands that we will see if it works properly. I am further more concerned about automatization of several actions that even about this animations, that might, or might not, get better in the final product.

I mean... is probably not the best PES ever made in terms of animations, is not PES 2014, is not even 2021... but I think you're taking it to far here with the criticism.

With the greatest respect - we were expecting a beautiful new game on new technology (PS5 and Series X) using the Unreal Engine which Konami and their PR Goons have been crowing about for 2 years now.

What we're actually getting is a game that wouldn't look out of place on a standard PS4 unit.

People have had enough of Konami's lies and BS year after year. The animations look like shit, there are no modes apart from online myClub type crap and as things stand, there are 9 clubs to play with.

It's a huge letdown for many of us who have supported the franchise for decades now.

F**k Konami and their watered down, dumbed down, free-to-play piece of crap.

 

[Hels The Ronin]

Well, lots of us we're positive during the last 6 years, slightly disappointed but more or less decently pleased with the previous versions... and finally when they decided to do a significant change officially announced with their "PES Next-Gen teaser", instead will get a blue & yellow mobile candy crush app ported to consoles/PC presented with love from the buttocks of their heart...


But why complain if it's "free" right?

Both of you are ok. I am HIGHLY dissapointed and really angered with this eFootball, in first place, because Fox Engine is still the physics engine and UE is only renderer, and is probably quite bad designed. In second place, because they decided to build over a mobile game, yet the engine is the same so there might be a chance that gameplay is NOT THAT BAD, not a high chance, but there is still some light.

But... I try to be positive. I see this game as Konami trying to get money and time to maybe later resurrect PES with a game that really pleases hardcore fans.

Cause sooner or later, they will have to make the jump into UE, but honestly, i preffer them to make a F2P game that they can use to learn how to code and work with UE than a completely mess that they have to rearrange in later yearly entries, all of them being medium quality, and all of them being charged full price.

Tbh, like a customer, I don't think this strategy is THAT BAD. It pleases both of us as long as they make a later entry that aims to actually be next-gen, something they will sooner or later have to make cause there you have already UFL built completely in UE and probably having better animations. And it pleases both of us because if it is shit, we are not forced to pay a single penny, and let's them learn the code, and Konami will make some decent amount of money with 0 effort, but at the same time, if they eventually want to keep updated with their game, they will need to make an eFootball 2 with full next-gen graphics and physics, and that's the one I will be interested in.

In the meanwhile? I will have plenty of options. PES 2021 modded for off-line play, PES 2014 modded aswell, maybe going back to FIFA 2022 if modding scene manages to give a more sim feeling, UFL for online play, and even eFootball if at the end is NOT THAT BAD, and modders can work on their off-line part.

So my message, guys, is... Don't get mad, we have plenty of options, this is a transition game, and better times will come. Worst scenario is eFootball is a failure, and maybe Konami dies. We will still have old PES made up till the momment, and maybe with the time code becomes available if it becomes abandonware. If that happens, maybe UFL decides to go with an off-line mode, who knows. Another option is eFootball is a failure, Konami exploits another saga, and finally decide to go back with PES, having in count FIFA is quite shitty. And other option, that is the most probable one, is that eFootball is not a big failure, but not either a big success, and finally they do a second game full next-gen, without crossplay to mobiles, and all comes to it's place.

Is quite obvious that for 2 or 3 years we will have eFootball, and I am sure that this game won't be good enough, and after 2 or 3 years, when next-gen is already current one, they will have to develop a new game if they want to have any player playing their game. If they don't, people working in Konami maybe go to Strikerz, Strikerz do an off-line mode having more people and maybe on-line success, and we will have a replacement (and maybe a better one) to PES. If Konami decides to develop eFootball 2, it will be fully next-gen and as I said, probably not cross-platform, because they will have seen how much of a bad idea is that, and actually they will have already this upcoming eFootball for that purpose. And if they finally make a sequel in UE, they will have gotten already experience as to not make a mess.

We will see, the near future is quite shitty, but in 2 or 3 years, things will change, you will see.

 

[Hels The Ronin]

With the greatest respect - we were expecting a beautiful new game on new technology (PS5 and Series X) using the Unreal Engine which Konami and their PR Goons have been crowing about for 2 years now.

What we're actually getting is a game that wouldn't look out of place on a standard PS4 unit.

People have had enough of Konami's lies and BS year after year. The animations look like shit, there are no modes apart from online myClub type crap and as things stand, there are 9 clubs to play with.

It's a huge letdown for many of us who have supported the franchise for decades now.

F**k Konami and their watered down, dumbed down, free-to-play piece of crap.

It's simple. Don't play it then. Wait and have patience till something good comes out. Mod PES 2021. Is no doubt that is a huge dissapointment not having a decent game this year... But we will have UFL coming into play, which is great news since we needed something new in the industry, and is UE powered, and UE is quite a good engine, so that's good news.

Problem is that you are moaning PES death, and while that's a pity to see such a franchise dissapear, where a door closes, another opens. Think in positive, try to stay tuned to upcoming games, and do not be loyal to any franchise because we live nowadays quite shitty times in terms of sports games, and, in fact, the gaming industry in general is quite shitty. We can't actually moan, in fact. Is a freaking hobby, we are healthy, we are alive... If we want a decent football game, we better put our boots on and go to the pitch ourselves, that is what I am going to do now.

Have fun and stay positive!