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vialli82 said:
I don't get it, MLS is under Fifa exclusivity no or it has expired?
But they've managed to gets MLS All-stars from the MLSPA? Well, whatever.
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To be honest. I really don't get much of anything from what we have seen from Konami this year so far.

To call this a total shambles would be me being kind.

I will play this but i have never been so unexcited or unenthusiastic for a Konami football game ever.

As for the MLS players? I guess 30+ fake mls teams with names like Los Santos FC and FC Miami Vice to appeal to North Americans. When on earth this will be available again is a mystery.
 
preak said:
I know, that was sarcasm because I cant get rid of the feeling that game has been castrated to match mobile capabilities
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Yes! That’s the word I was looking for! To describe this trailer and the whole “efootball” thing in general. Castrated! The “e” is for eunuch.
 
Chuny said:
I guess the takeaway from all this is how much we've been lied to. It's hard to swallow.

After however many years this game has -allegedly- been in development, they weren't prepared for anything.
Graphics seem unfinished. Gameplay seems unfinished. Even promotional footage was done last minute.

Nothing will ever remove from my mind the thought that everything was changed somewhere between mid 2020 and early 2021.
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The Covid19 crisis definitely changed something. I think the free to play thing is relatively new or was going to be done in a way that mobile and ps4/xbone would remain on Fox engine and the PS5/XB series X whatever would be special treatment.

My speculation is due to Covid and the financial crisis we see worldwide, some Konami board member made a decision to cut back on making PES 2022 a special built game for the PS5 on unreal 5 and instead focus all energy on cross play scale up and down from mobile/PS4 to P55 on unreal 4. This was probably based on low uptake on PS5 consoles, low availabliity to even get them of you have the money and again we are living in a global society collapse so the access to this game would be smaller than Konami anticipated before Covid.

I think this because its clear something big changed in the development cycle mid last year. I think we would of seen something similar in gameplay regaedless but in terms of graphics im sure they planned to have everyone rendered similar to how perfectly Messi was in that PES 2022 teaser.

This does not in any way excuse the crap we have seen so far and we will most likely experience a half finished game on release come the next 2 weeks. Its obvious they are hiding some very glaring flaws.

Expanding on my main point again, i honeslty believe this PS5 would be seen as 'current gen' right now if it wasant for Covid, there would be more fluent logistics in people having access to it. Im very lucky, i could buy a PS5 now and not have to worry about my finances but i think more than 95% of the world are not lucky like me, some people within their bubbles it may seem lots of people have PS5's but not everyone can throw $500 or whatever on something when in these hard times people have bigger priorities.

I'm not against all of Konami's plans, its the execution of them this year which is truly atrocious! It feels like they are almost trying to kill their franchise.

Jimi_Zuko said:
That’s the worst trailer in the history of pes.
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Disagree. That was the first trailer this is the 2nd worst :) this one at least had less obnoxious music.

"YOUR INCREDIBLEEEE DUH DUHH DUUH DUHH.."

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Don't think i'm enthusiastic lol, not at all, at least not about this game or whatever football or any games who will be out. It's not that i don't like when i'm playing a good game, but i got more and more hard to get the "immersion" like... Well my young time.
There's Black Myth Wu Kong who i found it super impressive, but i can't tell that i'm enthousiast to play that game, more that i know it's a sure buy, i don't care when it will be out etc.

I just lost it, to be honest. Not PES or whatever else game fault, i just see things with a very different approach. It's the same with movies, etc., everything regarding entertainement. Year after year.
And i don't think at all it's the crisis an lockdown etc. etc. who were responsible.

I wrote a lot, but that's an old habit, that doesn't mean that i care more than anyone. But one thing is sure that i gained, is having some recoil. And being a bit more "demanding", i won't cry if it's not there won't be a super next-gen game : something "stable" or "balanced" is all i really want to be let's say a bit satisfied. I won't say happy, i'm not the kind of guy who is quickly enjoyed and happy for everything lol.
But some things i'm just a bit annoyed for not being able to play and, at least, spending more or less good times. It won't be the case for sure with EA's game.

Also doesn't care at all if it's old or super new-gen, i wasn't waiting a new gen game at the launch of a console / let's say it's like the start as we /all/ practically being blocked more than one year and half to do stuffs, and we still are a bit. Less an less in Belgium fortunately, but some countries...
 
You're right about the Covid Crisis changed plans, but in everything. It's a bit more visible in a yearly release.

Weird, Fifa didn't seems to suffers about crisis, but in Canada/America the measures weren't/aren't comparable to Asia, and mostly Japan with their most depressing Olympic Games i never saw (At least, they were people on the crowd at Euro 202...1?, i watched some games. Less than usual btw)

Edit/ i think also that the working conditions we're pretty hard. And yes, there's still more people owning a PS4 than a PS5, not became only a matter of money but it's hard to found at a normal price (i've been lucky that i finally founded one too) and i'm like the people who doesn't want to buy it 750 euros when you know it's 499 and the reseller gain 250 euro...
Well, there's also South American people who are always "late" due to their found, I remember they were still playing patchs on PS2 when everyone in the world except them gotted a PS3, and same goes for PS4 and now PS5.

Well, thinkin of it now that you've mentionned it... I can't wait to play with Miami Vice's Sonny Rockets (99 in speed) and Rico.
But one thing i gained too time, is patience. I can wait, no problem. I don't care at all, there's so much stuff to care, entertainement or not, past or present, than i'm not at all hurry about any new version of any game. I got 4 PS4 games on the side, that i will finish on PS5 / Well replay as without the slowdown and all the new details like for GOW, is practically a game changer from what i saw on vids.
 
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vialli82 said:
Don't think i'm enthusiastic lol, not at all, at least not about this game or whatever football or any games who will be out. It's not that i don't like when i'm playing a good game, but i got more and more hard to get the "immersion" like... Well my young time.
There's Black Myth Wu Kong who i found it super impressive, but i can't tell that i'm enthousiast to play that game, more that i know it's a sure buy, i don't care when it will be out etc.

I just lost it, to be honest. Not PES or whatever else game fault, i just see things with a very different approach. It's the same with movies, etc., everything regarding entertainement. Year after year.
And i don't think at all it's the crisis an lockdown etc. etc. who were responsible.

I wrote a lot, but that's an old habit, that doesn't mean that i care more than anyone. But one thing is sure that i gained, is having some recoil. And being a bit more "demanding", i won't cry if it's not there won't be a super next-gen game : something "stable" or "balanced" is all i really want to be let's say a bit satisfied. I won't say happy, i'm not the kind of guy who is quickly enjoyed and happy for everything lol.
But some things i'm just a bit annoyed for not being able to play and, at least, spending more or less good times. It won't be the case for sure with EA's game.

Also doesn't care at all if it's old or super new-gen, i wasn't waiting a new gen game at the launch of a console / let's say it's like the start as we /all/ practically being blocked more than one year and half to do stuffs, and we still are a bit. Less an less in Belgium fortunately, but some countries...
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Yeah, we are getting old, the biggest shame is ii look at PES 2021 which isn't perfect but its a really good football game, enjoyable and immersive and intense at its best. I got more enjoyment out of than than watching any football for the last 2 years, only playing the game for real was better than both watching or playing PES, yeah football in general has been dead for me for a while and this game at least still harbored some of the love i have for the game. PSG are interesting with their crazy stacked squad but apart from than teams just don't excite me at all these days. The obsession with cross fit athleticism has made the younger and current generation of players so boring we still look heavily to the old generation of Messi, CR7, Ibra etc..

Thing is as you say, modern society, entertainment and all that is the big problem, football simply follows that, hence why the magic is long gone. Too much top down corporate influence rather than organic grassroots culture in this technology age.

vialli82 said:
You're right about the Covid Crisis changed plans, but in everything. It's a bit more visible in a yearly release.

Weird, Fifa didn't seems to suffers about crisis, but in Canada/America the measures weren't/aren't comparable to Asia, and mostly Japan with their most depressing Olympic Games i never saw (At least, they were people on the crowd at Euro 202...1?, i watched some games. Less than usual btw)

Edit/ i think also that the working conditions we're pretty hard. And yes, there's still more people owning a PS4 than a PS5, not became only a matter of money but it's hard to found at a normal price (i've been lucky that i finally founded one too) and i'm like the people who doesn't want to buy it 750 euros when you know it's 499 and the reseller gain 250 euro...
Well, there's also South American people who are always "late" due to their found, I remember they were still playing patchs on PS2 when everyone in the world except them gotted a PS3, and same goes for PS4 and now PS5.

Well, thinkin of it now that you've mentionned it... I can't wait to play with Miami Vice's Sonny Rockets (99 in speed) and Rico.
But one thing i gained too time, is patience. I can wait, no problem. I don't care at all, there's so much stuff to care, entertainement or not, past or present, than i'm not at all hurry about any new version of any game. I got 4 PS4 games on the side, that i will finish on PS5 / Well replay as without the slowdown and all the new details like for GOW, is practically a game changer from what i saw on vids.
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The EUROs were shit as I expected but a refreshing break from stale, broken club football, throughout this crisis and what the Olympics failed to understand and why I didn't watch any of it was that sport is nothing without the energy of the spectators. It absolutely affects how the athletes preform and its one of if not the most important factor tot he sport. These athlete train for years full time to reach the top to win and show the world live in person their skill, the energy of spectators is what makes these people become athletes in the first place.

What I still will love to make happen when the PS5 finally becomes current gen which may literally take until mid 2023 or even later, I mean it, this global economic crash is going to be that serious!!! Is to rebuild classic football to remind this younger generation what all the fuss is about. What football used to mean as a community based game in which each town, city, country had a distinct culture. Now its global idol worship, local teams fighting to survive, becoming forgotten as globalization has made every young newcomer to football whatever country they live in a PSG or Man City 'follower'. I think this and more fantasy like sitcom football based content is what excites me for the future. The modern game being so uninspiring enforces this type of thinking and I take it as a blessing as nothing happens by accident. I'm patient, good things will come but they take time, sometimes you have to go through harsh horrible crap to get there even.

I find wisdom in taking blessing as they come, hope for the future but used what's available to enjoy and eventually progress and make something better.
 
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vialli82 said:
Well i'm just remember of one important thing : there's a new stat one in particular who is exactly the definition of "defensive teamate help": in french it's called "Engagement Défensif", which you can translate to "Defensive Involvement/Contribution/partipation".
Now i get a bit more the logic of the removal (Doesn't mean that it please me, not at all) of teamate pressing. As it will depends on teammates stats to help you or not, and i got to agree that there's something very logic behind it:
Pirlo for example, doesn't press, but Gattuso will. With the teammate help button, you could've press a player as much with Pirlo than with Gattuso : in terms of representation of reality, we can all admit that it wasn't logical. Pirlo was more static, and waiting in front of defense, staying in his area.
Gattuso was positionned everywhere there was a possible challenge to help defensively his teammate.

Now, instead of pressing a button, you will get the player who got higher stat in that area pressing the opponent and the other with low stat in that area won't press.
Let's say : for a manager game the system is good. Well for a casual football game... I don't know, but it's hard to represent if you're free to press with any player you want. The game would completely block your player to press lol. It would be completely wtf.
They should have found something else, there's already the quality of the pressing regarding defensive stats....

For the one who didn't saw what i'm talking about, here's the post from the beta, the guy is showing new stats and skills (sliding tackles etc.)
Example, Gnabry got low Defensive skills, 67 in "Defensive Involvement/Workate etc." i don't have the exact English translation.
https://evoweb.uk/threads/efootball...pay-your-respects.83625/page-183#post-3732202

I repeat, it's not that i like the change, but in terms of AI i get the logic now, didn't understood at all why. Now it's clear. Not sure that i will like it btw, but let's say : i'll see controller in hands and how that stats may influence the "likenesses" and of course, the gameplay from the AI mates. I don't think i'll like it to be honest. But i can't say there's no logic behind it... Now it's an "action-sport" game, so we all wants to get more control of our team.
Assistance too... Well enough, or i'll become crazy hahaha
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Don't agree with the Pirlo example. Imho you should be able to pressure with anyone you please, but only the effectiveness should differ. However, in most cases teammate's actions are decided by stats and tactics, you only control the current player. Seen that way it is consistent. But i will sure miss it as a tactical skill that requires real football intelligence (when not abused).

I would of preferred a better implementation of the current system. The decision must of had something to do with the new 1on1 mechanics and the focus they want to put on that instead of the 'ill just send in my troops on Neymar, let them deal with it' mentality.

Would be nice if applying aggressive teammate pressure will be some sort of quick tactic that has immediate effect. So instead of holding square you switch on/off a quick tactic in which (pre-chosen) players are more keen to leave their man / zone to assist you.
 
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You don't get it @PESV : i explain the logic. Effectiveness of pressing? That's not the point of that stats. I already thinked about it while writing that post.
It's the Frequency of pressing that stats is meaning. Like Agression. It's a mental attribute, not a skill, physical, technique, or intelligence attribute.

I said in the same post that if you choose always Pirlo, you will press like any other player, but from logic of realism : Pirlo won't never press like Gattuso will.
That's the whole point about the logic : if you don't control the player, and you press the button of double pressing with Pirlo choosen and he got low frequency, how would he react then? The player won't move at all and you will yell at him to move a bit?
Yes, that possible to reproduce: one player will run, the other will walk. And it will be very very frustrating.

Defensive implication is something you can't reproduce by effectiveness, two very different thing like positionning quality in attack and workrate frequency in attack, that's what i wanted to say by "i understand the logic behind it". I don't agree about it as it's still a game, so what matter is having more control. But i agree that the system of not forcing a player who isn't moving to his position, well, you won't never reproduce the likeness of that player.
Effectiveness is already represented by Ball Winning/Stamina/Physical Contact/Agression/Def Prow., depending the situation.

And i also thinked exactly, no joke, the same about Effectiveness. But then, i thinked "but it's not what the stat mean at all, i don't like it, but it's a bit more logic : stats and AI should as it's already settle by Defense/Ball Winning/Physical Contact/Stamina... Some player recuperate ball just because they are always try to be close to the action, try and retry to finally get it : they doesn't even get all that much quality, but try and retry until they get the ball.

Aswell as you may be completely disappointed by their choice, graphics or the game, it's not like everything is not logic and there's nothing to keep, or nothing logic.

So, a question, how would you represent the frequency of AI pressure with the button? Not an harsh question, it's serious.
Personally i gotted an idea, only the player(s) with more or less high Def. Implication will participate. But if the player is way too far from the action... Will make 30 metters while a close player won't move.
No sincerely i don't know exactly how. Perhaps a short term/breathing stamina stat? A bit too hard to rate, it's not even on FM.

But what i'm thinking, is that the teamate pressing + that stat are the same, so it's a paradox if you press the button when the player won't move : the only way to force him is to select him and press by yourself.
I don't say i like it, but if you want realism about pressing, that's well thinked. Now about gameplay, it's a restriction (even if it's not realistic, it's a game) so yes, me too as a player, i prefers the old system. Even if it's less logic.
 
I see a lot of people going back and forth here.

So lets summarise. Pure facts, nothing else. eFootball means:

- No offline modes till at least 2022
- no edit mode till later
- simplified tactics
- simplified controls
- simplified gameplay
- some kicks and even ball trapping not available at launch

Then you have trailer, probably made by the same guy who did the intro to Star Wars in 70's, players who look like a stickers on Football Album and obvious bugs like ref with a flag running across the pitch and player faces that look like they are trying not to shit themselves.

If you still think that there is a magic version of Pes, hidden in a closet, that will blow us out of the water - you are in denial.

If you still think that solution to all your problems will be to switch Cross Platform button Off and you will magically get proper next gen version this way - you are in denial.

Max (and I do mean absolute Max) that you will get this way is better graphics.
Do any of you really think that you will get more indepth gameplay, more controls and more tactics on next gen when you turn filter off? Do you really think Konami wouldnt mention it at any stage, trying to save their faces here?

Its up to you if you choose to hold on to false hope, but thats all that is - false hope. Every single statement, announcement and info we got clearly states that this is cheap, simple and shallow F2P game, aimed for mobile users. There is nothing next gen about it. There isnt even much old gen about it.
 
Emroth said:
I see a lot of people going back and forth here.

So lets summarise. Pure facts, nothing else. eFootball means:

- No offline modes till at least 2022
- no edit mode till later
- simplified tactics
- simplified controls
- simplified gameplay
- some kicks and even ball trapping not available at launch

Then you have trailer, probably made by the same guy who did the intro to Star Wars in 70's, players who look like a stickers on Football Album and obvious bugs like ref with a flag running across the pitch and player faces that look like they are trying not to shit themselves.

If you still think that there is a magic version of Pes, hidden in a closet, that will blow us out of the water - you are in denial.

If you still think that solution to all your problems will be to switch Cross Platform button Off and you will magically get proper next gen version this way - you are in denial.

Max (and I do mean absolute Max) that you will get this way is better graphics.
Do any of you really think that you will get more indepth gameplay, more controls and more tactics on next gen when you turn filter off? Do you really think Konami wouldnt mention it at any stage, trying to save their faces here?

Its up to you if you choose to hold on to false hope, but thats all that is - false hope. Every single statement, announcement and info we got clearly states that this is cheap, simple and shallow F2P game, aimed for mobile users. There is nothing next gen about it. There isnt even much old gen about it.
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I agree. Be a serious long shot that the gameplay will be actually good considering it’s catering for mobile. My only last hope is knowing that classic PES’s had simple controls, so there’s maybe a small chance that the gameplay may be different/better even in this simplified manner.
 
martyl2 said:
I agree. Be a serious long shot that the gameplay will be actually good considering it’s catering for mobile. My only last hope is knowing that classic PES’s had simple controls, so there’s maybe a small chance that the gameplay may be different/better even in this simplified manner.
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Oh it might be fun to play. Im not saying it cant. I downloaded SNES emulator on my mobile and played ISS and it was very fun to play. But thats all there is. Its not going to be triple A title, more like double B. :LOL:
 
Emroth said:
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Well, as an editor, it the only thing i thinked "for the first time, i will have finished all the team before the "game" (well ML mode) will be out :JAY::LOL:

For all the rest, like someone said, it's better to not play it at launch. It's a "long term" game (well, it's not impossible they build PES 2024-25 for PS5 as a "surprise" :SHHH: no i ain't drunk lol:WASTED:if the project is in "pause mode", they can work on it during the efootball duration lol And try to get a big money bonus with the version that should have been released, like we said / before everything has changed like Chuny and Klash, now me, said.
Leave me dreamin' a bit, no hope, no life please guys :CRY:)


In fact about the release too early even if it's in autumn : they're doing the same shit as they've done with PES 2021 but now, gameplay and all mode involved.
I said PES 2021 for one big example we gotted more than first : 8 teams to complete on Others Europe because they wanted to release it in August. After DLC 1.0. Then, at DLC 3.0 if i remember well, 14 teams in more, counting the two CSL teams. All transformed to fake / Instead of erasing it completely from the database, or better, waiting the end of promotions/relegation.
Think of it, as an editor, i was super pissed. Way too much fakes to complete, and people wanted all Europa league teams at the time. I was about to rage quit honestly. Fortunately, and not thanks to Konami, i got several help from others editor (even if i gotted to restore a tons of team after, too much errors but that the intention that matter)
 
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martyl2 said:
My only last hope is knowing that classic PES’s had simple controls, so there’s maybe a small chance that the gameplay may be different/better even in this simplified manner.
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What do you mean by "classic PES", on console? No i don't think. The new stats that will make the teamate pressing will be on every version for sure for example. About the rest, there's adds of feature i don't even know what they mean with the analog, like boost running etc. yeah it's not bad a kind of come back of double tap effectiveness / but i hate running with R2 in the other side. Well...
 
*aLe said:
I think that MLSPA is much like FIFpro: they can use the players' names and likenesses but most likely not the team names, crests and kits. Let alone the stadiums.
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Better. Because creating MLS is upper exhausting they're doing 20 transfers by day, and sells them 3 weeks later. Never saw a transfers system that shitty. Just correcting names and kits and it's okay. I would like to convert all to PES 2021 without the new stat, but the issue is you can't add more than 20 teams in a league. Pretty annoying but if you don't want super realistic schedule and and won't play with that league, then no problem. It's not really my case, but to recopy all stats with a PC editor, will took me 10 times less than creating from scratch. Even if the result won't be at J-League level (it's the same guy who were creating player for older PS2 PES who's in charge of J-league. You can thrust them, faces and stats are all okay)

So an advice : don't play it before some month after the release. And if it's still shit, just make a cross on that game. Simple.
It's no more the same main Director or i don't know how to call that Kimura, it's no more a PES like we at least get in PS4, with his flaws but his good side.

Not only the name as changed, it's like a disguised PES i'm afraid we will get, a bit like a legendary Subaru Impreza with an Opel Kadett engine.

Edit: sorry for the multiple post btw. It's the last time
 
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Joga said:
Skill moves ? No. All tekkerz are now automated. Sit back, relax. We will do the skill moves for you.
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Didn't even saw it before my post. Awful. I pray for them to restore it as they talked about mecanisms added and gameplay feature... But when i see where it's going, i lost a bit of hope regarding that game. Even more that it's the only one i like.
My biggest hope is that they will replace Kimura and he will completely flop before it's too late.

@Paynekiller if no one answer, that's because we talked and laugh about it 10 pages ago ;)
 
vialli82 said:
Didn't even saw it before my post. Awful. I pray for them to restore it as they talked about mecanisms added and gameplay feature... But when i see where it's going, i lost a bit of hope regarding that game. Even more that it's the only one i like.
My biggest hope is that they will replace Kimura and he will completely flop before it's too late.

@Paynekiller if no one answer, that's because we talked and laugh about it 10 pages ago ;)
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The fact that it is called "basic controls" could suggest there´s a control scheme for "advanced controls" as well. Not holding my breath though.
 
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