• Major upgrades completed! Please report any issues you spot in here

eFootball (All Platforms)

janguv said:
Yes (emboldened bit) – I think that's currently the best objection to the idea that they have better quality gameplay available and have found a way to scale it.

I do think there is no precedent for Konami to be the company that would pull this off. But on the other hand, I can imagine them thinking they could pull it off. This could be a scenario where they've bitten off more than they can chew, and they fall very flat on their arse because they actually can't provide this sort of scaleability and keep it relatively free of bugs or even just fun to play.

Perhaps it's conceivable they'll halfway manage it though. In development for 2 years, familiarity with UE going back a bit further with the mobile game, leaning hard into the F2P model of monetisation, changing technologies, needing to find a way to compete with FIFA/FUT... It feels like a desperate last gasp of a dying corpse.
Click to expand...

I think it's inifintely more likely that the Reddit guy was talking out of his arse and that's the only thing he could come up with to explain why the trailer was so bad. Admittedly it's quite a good explanation since it's not impossible, just highly unlikely, and most people aren't going to spot the holes in the concept.

Next-gen cut scenes with middle-ground gameplay capable of running on mobile does make the most sense and that is what everything so far is pointing to. Albeit there is no reason the gameplay footage in the trailer should look that bad visually, in terms of things like lighting from gameplay cam, that could and should be fully next-gen on consoles without impacting cross-play, which is something I don't have a good explanation for.

Edit: one possibility is different teams working on different things. E.g. next-gen/artists have been working on cut scenes, gameplay team still working on cross-play compatible gameplay without putting too much work into next-gen visuals, therefore trailer represents a work in progress and final gameplay looks something closer to the cut-scenes visually on next-gen. It could explain the disparity and would possibly jive with what Adam said about waiting until further down the line to judge it.
 
Last edited:
janguv said:
This is how I've been thinking of it myself. If it's at all possible, surely it's something like this:
  1. Each device as a type keyed to their client ID (or whatever it would be called)
  2. Two clients then match:
    1. Type A (say, PS5) matches with Type A (say, XSX) -> Launch Activity A
    2. Type A (say, XSX) matches with Type B (say, PS4) -> Launch Activity B
    3. Type A (say, PS5) matches with Type C (say, high-end mobile) -> Launch Activity C
  3. The relevant Activity loads
Now the differences between A-C could be more or less extreme, and not just graphical fidelity/assets. The animation cycles are changed, or it smooths over a reduced total number for any given action. Etc.

Again, I'm not a developer of any description, and maybe this would be insane to pull off, but I'm struggling to see why, from my untutored perspective. Perhaps the gameplay differences would be felt to be too severe, and thus it would be a bad decision to make the user experience gameplay without parity across activities. But that wouldn't be a technical hindrance, just a design/UX hindrance.
Click to expand...

Yeah, doesn't seem completely implausible. At the moment, they already have two essentially completely separate products built on different engines, PES mobile and PES21 for console/PC, so probably 2 separate development teams and streams and the costs that that entails. So they can streamline development by moving to a single engine and creating a version of the game that works on all devices (mobile and all consoles) and build a more advanced version, which has shared core elements of the mobile version, but that exploits next-gen technology. So they're not dynamically scaling the physics, animations or whatever in real-time, but are simply loading completely different versions of certain routines, animations or whatever.

So, theoretically, it would be possible to have no compromises in a next-gen v next-gen match. With regard to controls, because you'd be warned that if you are matched with a mobile player that your match experience will be "scaled to match your opponents device", you would be aware that this means everything from gfx, animation, etc to reduced controls. And even then, the core controls wouldn't be different - passing, shooting, sprinting, tackling, etc would be the same, you'd possibly just be missing a few more advanced controls, but you'd still have plenty to have a game of football with. And if you don't like it, just tick the box to not be matched with cross-gen.
 
Last edited:
I'm not surprised this has happened tbh, Konami as a company has shit the bed over the last 5-10 years.
 
Zied500 said:
Some Bird told me this. Translate in to English.
https://esportsitalia.com/efootball-le-tre-bufale-che-girano-per-il-web/
Click to expand...
Translated a section of it (using DeepL):
"While the eFootball presentation on 21 July was underway, images began to circulate on the web and on instant messaging apps with the words RIP PES, which is equivalent to "Rest in Peace PES", complete with a grave to signify that the game was dead.

It is clear that these images had been prepared in advance, probably by some usual PES pessimist or FIFA fanatic.

The name of Konami's game has changed several times over the years, but never its spirit. We all know that unlike other football games like FIFA, the Japanese company has always focused on realism and football simulation.

So from Winning Eleven to Pro Evolution Soccer (hence the acronym PES) to eFootball PES to eFootball the substance has never changed. To say that PES is dead is a hoax, at this point it would have been dead already in the previous name changes.

The fact that the images came out during the presentation is clear that there was premeditation.

Among other things, we ourselves had said that it didn't make sense to keep the name eFootball PES because in the word PES there is "soccer" which is historically the wrong term they use only in the USA to define football and distinguish it from American football. Putting "soccer" and "football" in one name would have made no sense.

eFootball is a beautiful, strong name. Just as the term email has become the international standard for email, eSports to define competitive video games, eFootball now represents virtual football.

Fans of Konami's game couldn't ask for better than to have the name eFootball, the PES RIP skit could have been avoided just as well."
Click to expand...

:LOL: :LOL: what the fuck is this shit?!
 
staffan said:
Edit: one possibility is different teams working on different things. E.g. next-gen/artists have been working on cut scenes, gameplay team still working on cross-play compatible gameplay without putting too much work into next-gen visuals, therefore trailer represents a work in progress and final gameplay looks something closer to the cut-scenes visually on next-gen. It could explain the disparity and would possibly jive with what Adam said about waiting until further down the line to judge it.
Click to expand...
I think that's quite plausible. People do report on the fragmentation at Konami. I know Asim mentioned it a bit after leaving, right? How difficult it was to pass on feedback to the people up top, or to manage the community relations but not be told what's going on internally. Might be misremembering, but recall something to that effect. And that's partly what lends some legitimacy to the Reddit bloke, to me. He also reports this really fragmented, secretive structure. It's a half-joke, but it actually reminds me of decentralised or otherwise shadowy organised crime groups :LOL:
normazimuth said:
With regard to controls, because you'd be warned that if you are matched with a mobile player that your match experience will be "scaled to match your opponents device", you would be aware that this means everything from gfx, animation, etc to reduced controls. And even then, the core controls wouldn't be different - passing, shooting, sprinting, tackling, etc would be the same, you'd possibly just be missing a few more advanced controls, but you'd still have plenty to have a game of football with. And if you don't like it, just tick the box to not be matched with cross-gen.
Click to expand...
On controls, I gave my thoughts here. I think it's possible there may well be no dumbing down at all, and the claim that the test used dumbed down controls doesn't quite work out. They were different and incomplete, but also not transferable to a touchscreen experience. I think mobile vs console/PC will always require a controller, myself.
terrafilius said:
thats something the developers at KONAMI dont have

View attachment 112070
Click to expand...
I really appreciate this as someone who is learning German right now! I will pass this image on to others learning with me hahaha.
 
If you think that a free to play, mobile game, that's not even called PES anymore, is the end of PES you're a FIFA fanatic.
If you think that "eFootball is a beautiful, strong name", you're an impartial independent journalist, not affiliated with Konami. At all.

Seems legit.
 
philla said:
Even IF a "scaled gameplay" is the main plan, we all know that KONAMI is the last company on earth to get it right and working at launch.
Click to expand...
Yeah that's my hesitation.

That said, maybe "at launch" is the pivotal term here right?

Now they're using a GaMeS aS a SeRvIcE model, they're freeing themselves of the obligation to give us a complete package at launch. So according to the "road map" (this is among my least favoured words, just behind the use of "content" in "content creator"), mobile-console/pc crossplay is end-of-year.

It may be the only lowest-common denominator scaling-down they have to get working right from the off is just PS5 to PS4 and XSX to Xone. Then they introduce cross-gen play. So in terms of managing that, testing it, fixing bugs, it's easier to do these things at launch/close to launch, and for some months before you introduce the mobile cross-play option.

That's the advantage of the whole live service shtick, though the cynical (and correct) interpretation is that really it allows huge publishers to release incomplete buggy pieces of shit and just promise changes further down the line.
 
Hello, I have a question, I don't know where to post this so I posted it here, I recently got PES 2019, is it good? and what are it's positives and negatives, I've seen some reviews and some gameplay of it on youtube, and it looks positive.

Trying to put my mind off this efootball stuff
 
I am a fan fan since 2000s It is sad to know that news, because the communities made this game great nowadays there are other models of video game business,with micropayments as the other game does, we are the nostalgics that we remember that time, Konami is still destroying games.:BORED:
 
bazzigoplay297 said:
Some eSport player defending Konami until the end.
Literally saying "RIP PES" is used by usual negative and annoying PES fans and FIFA Players who made the images BEFORE seeing the trailer

What a clown
Click to expand...
I'm ashamed of just speaking Italian like him.

He's saying that the whole "RIP PES" thing was staged and premeditated because "no way they could have the memes already at hand while Konami were still making the announcement, they must have been prepared beforehand in order to ruin Konami's announcement on purpose".
 
*aLe said:
I'm ashamed of just speaking Italian like him.

He's saying that the whole "RIP PES" thing was staged and premeditated because "no way they could have the memes already at hand while Konami were still making the announcement, they must have been prepared beforehand in order to ruin Konami's announcement on purpose".
Click to expand...

Yeah... right.
Because it takes days to create a meme...
 
To the people who are positive/hopeful - where is it coming from? What has Konami done in the last decade that gives you hope? They've disappointed year after year. Year after year we've been saying "let's wait and see" to then ultimately be disappointed again. They've done nothing to warrant this positivity you're giving them. I say this with absolutely no intention of being offensive, it's just downright naive to expect anything good from Konami at this point. They've killed off their other big gaming franchises too, what makes you think they're still able to make good games? I'm genuinely wondering why some people here are positive. For me, enough is enough. They're not getting a single cent from me. I won't play this efootball bs even if they pay me lol. I'd rather switch to FIFA. At least they improve their career mode. Master League has stagnated and remains unchanged for like what? 5 years now? Possibly more.
 
heX_ said:
To the people who are positive/hopeful - where is it coming from? What has Konami done in the last decade that gives you hope? They've disappointed year after year. Year after year we've been saying "let's wait and see" to then ultimately be disappointed again. They've done nothing to warrant this positivity you're giving them. I say this with absolutely no intention of being offensive, it's just downright naive to expect anything good from Konami at this point. They've killed off their other big gaming franchises too, what makes you think they're still able to make good games? I'm genuinely wondering why some people here are positive. For me, enough is enough. They're not getting a single cent from me. I won't play this efootball bs even if they pay me lol. I'd rather switch to FIFA. At least they improve their career mode. Master League has stagnated and remains unchanged for like what? 5 years now? Possibly more.
Click to expand...

I don't know where I'd place myself right now. I don't know if I'd fit into the 'Positive category'.
What I do know is I've been trying to look at it from a more positive perspective for the past 48hrs, trying to make sense of this huge decision. Trying to understand what their logic is. I can't just think they want to ruin the game. There must be something they thought would entice PES' huge fanbase once they try the game and all the content they plan to release little by little.

As much as we think Konami are idiots, I think we just need to wait and see what they are cooking up.
There's no point in jumping into conclusions with the very little information we have and the very little footage we've seen.

If everything we are theorizing about becomes a reality once we try everything by ourselves, there'll be plenty time to panic and trash the company and the game for years and years to come. Why start now?.
 
Chuny said:
I don't know where I'd place myself right now. I don't know if I'd fit into the 'Positive category'.
What I do know is I've been trying to look at it from a more positive perspective for the past 48hrs, trying to make sense of this huge decision. Trying to understand what their logic is. I can't just think they want to ruin the game. There must be something they thought would entice PES' huge fanbase once they try the game and all the content they plan to release little by little.

As much as we think Konami are idiots, I think we just need to wait and see what they are cooking up.
There's no point in jumping into conclusions with the very little information we have and the very little footage we've seen.

If everything we are theorizing about becomes a reality once we try everything by ourselves, there'll be plenty time to panic and trash the company and the game for years and years to come. Why start now?.
Click to expand...

I can understand that, but this decision won't ruin the game. It's very obvious why they did it. We are only a small part of the fanbase. It'll ruin it only for us. Going f2p will net them a lot more money and players. That's the reason. Money. Look at the trailer, it's not massively disliked. The backlash is coming only from fans like us. They have no reason to actually spend money making the game better for us, we'll only play master league and won't spend money on coins. Why else would they make anything other than online a DLC? And why would they spend any additional money on making the master league DLC actually good? How many people will pay for it? A lot less than the f2p players.
 
So mobile players will all keep their IMs - confirmed. What happens to other platforms? How will they prevent super power creep when everyone already has godlike players?!
 
heX_ said:
I can understand that, but this decision won't ruin the game. It's very obvious why they did it. We are only a small part of the fanbase. It'll ruin it only for us. Going f2p will net them a lot more money and players. That's the reason. Money. Look at the trailer, it's not massively disliked. The backlash is coming only from fans like us. They have no reason to actually spend money making the game better for us, we'll only play master league and won't spend money on coins. Why else would they make anything other than online a DLC? And why would they spend any additional money on making the master league DLC actually good? How many people will pay for it? A lot less than the f2p players.
Click to expand...

These are my most positive ideas about the whole thing in case you want to read them:

https://evoweb.uk/threads/efootball...pes-come-pay-your-respects.83625/post-3729669
https://evoweb.uk/threads/efootball...pes-come-pay-your-respects.83625/post-3729672
 
terrafilius said:
Click to expand...

Guys I work for Konami as a Data Collector for the Live Updates each week I know a few people quite high up , If that person did work for Konami his contract would be terminated , Your in no way allowed to clarify or dismiss information like that as it breaks your contract and if you don't believe me I'll post the paragraph from MY contract confirming this. Some people like to act as if they know everything and put out misinformation , So to that post clarifying and dismissing information , Pay no attention.
 
AuthenticSportsSimulation said:
Guys I work for Konami as a Data Collector for the Live Updates each week I know a few people quite high up , If that person did work for Konami his contract would be terminated , Your in no way allowed to clarify or dismiss information like that as it breaks your contract and if you don't believe me I'll post the paragraph from MY contract confirming this. Some people like to act as if they know everything and put out misinformation , So to that post clarifying and dismissing information , Pay no attention.
Click to expand...
Not if they can't identify him.:SHHH:
 
Chuny said:
These are my most positive ideas about the whole thing in case you want to read them:

https://evoweb.uk/threads/efootball...pes-come-pay-your-respects.83625/post-3729669
https://evoweb.uk/threads/efootball...pes-come-pay-your-respects.83625/post-3729672
Click to expand...

I saw them. But again, why? What makes you think they'll do that? Konami haven't indicated in any way in the last decade at least, that they care about the master league. What happened to the "3 year plan"? Absolutely nothing. We got some cutscenes and that's pretty much it. I see no reason for Konami to spend any more money on improving ML. And unless a miracle happens, we'll get the same ML we had before but this time they'll sell it separately for a lower cost. Do you think they'd stay this silent about it if they were making changes and improvements on it? Why wouldn't they advertise that? And as the other poster said, the low sales of it will only let them justify them in killing off ML completely. From their POV, there's no money to be made from it.
 
heX_ said:
I saw them. But again, why? What makes you think they'll do that? Konami haven't indicated in any way in the last decade at least, that they care about the master league. What happened to the "3 year plan"? Absolutely nothing. We got some cutscenes and that's pretty much it. I see no reason for Konami to spend any more money on improving ML. And unless a miracle happens, we'll get the same ML we had before but this time they'll sell it separately for a lower cost. Do you think they'd stay this silent about it if they were making changes and improvements on it? Why wouldn't they advertise that? And as the other poster said, the low sales of it will only let them justify them in killing off ML completely. From their POV, there's no money to be made from it.
Click to expand...

Like I said, I'm trying to see it their way-
There must be some logic behind all of this, that may not be logical to us - yet.

And yes, I know what you're going to say: Money.

Probably, yeah. But to make money you need to sell your product. And to sell your product, people need to like it.
Even more so if this will be a free-to-play game. People need to like it a lot more to invest in microtransactions and purchasing DLCs.
 
Paynekiller said:
I can only assume that konami are attending Gamescom 2021 next month, correct?
Click to expand...
Konami are not listed as attending by a number of sources , The list at the moment is the following...

  • 505 Games
  • Activision
  • Aerosoft
  • Assemble Entertainment
  • astragon Entertainment
  • BANDAI NAMCO Entertainment
  • Bethesda Softworks
  • Electronic Arts
  • GAMEVIL COM2US Europe
  • Headup Games
  • Indie Arena Booth
  • Koch Media
  • NExT Studios (Tencent Games)
  • SEGA Europe
  • Team17
  • Thunderful Games
  • Ubisoft
  • Wargaming
  • Xbox
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom