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Ximelez said:
This would make a lot of sense to me, and connects a few dots at least in my mind.

The transition to unreal is to unify the game across multiple platforms imo to make it f2p with myclub/ esports focus and the ability to switch platforms almost seamlessly with the same account (carry over your myclub team or whatever). Hence why the next gen version is basically an advanced mobile game.

Seemingly a lot of the staff, particularly on the marketing side leaving as well makes sense as you don’t really need to advertise a free game as hard as when people are paying £50 for it. I mean, you literally don’t need to sell it.

The “testing” of the online aspect with the beta in a way that we’ve not seen before is because they couldn’t pull off the f2p myclub/ esports strategy with sub par online performance.

The radio silence so far with the mid July announcement is probably because it’s going to be a shocker.

Essentially, I see it as the end of PES and a new game by the name of EFOOTBALL which is an multi platform f2p game with the same business model as something like Fortnite.

I’m sure I’ve seen in previous press media that they’re still going to have a Master League mode but I wouldn’t be surprised if the single player aspects of the game have to be paid for as add-ons.
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Yep
 
The Moroccan said:
I think I'm gonna open a thread specially for these editions if anyone wants to share their moments or want to revive the good old fun...
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@Chris Davies please can you tell me if any thread related to this topic had been already discussed? So that I can open a new thread dedicated to not necessarily the Master League adventures, but more to thoughts, moments, reviews, etc...
 
Took a look at that #RIPPES tag on Twitter. Love how half of the tweets are nostalgic PES fans and the other half go like "ok cool, does that mean Juventus and Camp Nou will be in FIFA now?" 😂
 
Update pes - People moan
Give a season update only - people moan
try something new - people moan

well I look forward to trying it, if its rubbish there is no loss to me, as it's free
I'll carry on playing pes 2021, Holland and VirtuaRED have made it a fantastic game that I will enjoy for ages
It probably wont' be beaten by fifa 22 as it's not next Gen quality either. so again, no loss :) :) :) :)
 
Raska said:
Update pes - People moan
Give a season update only - people moan
try something new - people moan

well I look forward to trying it, if its rubbish there is no loss to me, as it's free
I'll carry on playing pes 2021, Holland and VirtuaRED have made it a fantastic game that I will enjoy for ages
It probably wont' be beaten by fifa 22 as it's not next Gen quality either. so again, no loss :) :) :) :)
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Moan a little maybe. Nobody enjoys a stiff one.:DD
 
I never bought 2021 as I was never going to pay for a "Season Update", basically just a kits and squads update to the garbage PES 2020.

With this happening today, I'm thinking maybe I should pick it up before it gets delisted from Steam if it's going to be where the game the modding community focuses on for years. I still doubt mods can fix the awful shooting mechanics, defensive AI, referees and the multitude of other issues but maybe it'll still be about the best we get in terms of a football game for 10+ years with the direction FIFA is taking.

Even then it'd probably be one of those things where I spend so much time modding it to the max and then quit within a match or two of the atrocious gameplay.
 
rojofa said:
I never bought 2021 as I was never going to pay for a "Season Update", basically just a kits and squads update to the garbage PES 2020.

With this happening today, I'm thinking maybe I should pick it up before it gets delisted from Steam if it's going to be where the game the modding community focuses on. I still doubt mods can fix the awful shooting mechanics, defensive AI, referees and the multitude of other issues but maybe it'll still be about the best we get in terms of a football game for 10+ years with the direction FIFA is taking.

Even then it'd probably be one of those things where I spend so much time modding it to the max and then quit within a match or two of the atrocious gameplay.
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Why would it get delisted? They're gonna take every penny they can.
 
Raska said:
Update pes - People moan
Give a season update only - people moan
try something new - people moan

well I look forward to trying it, if its rubbish there is no loss to me, as it's free
I'll carry on playing pes 2021, Holland and VirtuaRED have made it a fantastic game that I will enjoy for ages
It probably wont' be beaten by fifa 22 as it's not next Gen quality either. so again, no loss :) :) :) :)
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I saw this tweet earlier.

I've always thought it, but never been able to express it properly:

 
Chris Davies said:
I saw this tweet earlier.

I've always thought it, but never been able to express it properly:

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totally agree, people need to stay neutral, might be good, might be bad, who knows.
Enjoy it or not, there is always another football game that is enjoyable
 
Christ re-watching the trailer.

Lets add an automated voice, then put some classic crap Konami music with "We are powerful" on repeat. We will show some pics of the stadium and also some old generic real life pictures to add a bit of feeling to it. OH LOOK HERES MESSI, he just standing there, lets make him run then flash the screen with some horrific blue and yellow flashing. Ok here's the good stuff, some of the teams in the changing rooms, pre-match training which is nice. Wait hang on, the game doesn't look next gen? Anyways here's Messi telling us that he likes to win. Here comes the automated voice again, and its all about Iniesta, its him talking about what you should do with a football. Oh here's Pique, he can't be arsed to be on the call, but he's just telling us how he likes to defend.
Motion matching talk, kind of interesting, least its about the game, oh and here comes the cross platform stuff, E football is for everyone. Here's the roadmap and YOU ARE POWERFUL! FREE TO PLAY!


What a shambles, RIP

 
Somewhere between five and seven years ago, I was talking to mate back in uni and telling him one of fears; that sports gaming was moving towards a place where offline may eventually be removed entirely and I wasn't ready to face that reality. PES 2017 was actually my first PES since 2009. I immediately started a BAL save, as that was my favorite mode, to find out that it, not only, lacked a few features I actually enjoyed in FIFA player career mode (the ability to control attack levels as the captain, the ability to subbed out on request), but it completely lacked stat and career tracking; it only recorded your goals, assists, and appearance where as BAL in 2009 recorded everyone from goals to cards to awards to finishing position in every competition you played in. Every year it seemingly got worse. To the point I no longer play BAL and now play fixed cursor ML in 2021 update.

My first reaction to the announcement was probably similar to yours; horror and confusion. But now that I have had an hour to think about it, honestly, I am not against the model. I'm not against F2P. But it's the implication that gets me. Honestly, for PES, F2P actually is a great idea. Gives more people, who otherwise wouldn't, an opportunity to give it a try. And I think a lot of people will enjoy it. At the end of the day, I would love for more people to find something new that they enjoy. Becoming a live service game may mean ditching the traditional yearly cycle which would be brilliant. Less rigid deadlines may actually mean more time actually developing the game. It's possible down the road we end up with a solid product that all people can enjoy because it's free..........as long as you like online and competitive modes.

Online and competitive are the priorities, but good lord it is concerning as hell that there's no mention of BAL or ML or anything offline in their 'roadmap'. I'm sure more information on their future modes will eventually be released, but no answer is sometimes more powerful than an answer. The roadmap shows online leagues mode and a team building mode, cross gen, cross plat, and competitive gaming. It's like Konami is telling us loud and clear that's what they want us to be playing. And that concerns me. Will there be some sort of offline offering? I believe so but it'll happen in one of two ways; it'll become somehow more barebones than it is now, given the greater emphasis on online modes or, as I mentioned earlier, fewer stricter deadlines means more time to flesh out an offline experience.

But the truth though is I have no reason to believe that the latter is what will happen. Given everything I've seen the last few years in my return to PES. Given the glitched stats I have in BAL 2017 that didn't record half my international caps and goals. Given the awful AI I have endured on and off the pitch in both BAL and ML over the last 5 years. And given offline's noticeable absence from the roadmap. I fear that conversation I had with my mate has actually become reality for what is my favorite game about my favorite sport.

I'm long winded I know. Deal with it.
 
ninety3twenty said:
Even my 6 year old daughter was laughing at the “ you are powerful “
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I feel like this is subliminal taunting us about the (unused) power of the next-gen consoles we've just spaffed our money on.
ojejku said:
Should I quote more? Not that I need it for anything, but did anyone from those people like raul_ole above actually admitted they were talking stright bs things like that? Now all of a sudden they are on the other side of the fence. Take a humbling lesson from that, so you react different way next time guys.
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I see where you're coming from personally. The response by some people was that we were all idiots for daring to believe that Konami could be so incompetent (despite precedent), could release something so shoddy without it just being a "stress test" (despite what was before our eyes), etc. It was very annoying.
its999maggle said:
So why attack them?
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I don't think it has to be seen as an attack. More just instructive: look and learn. And weep.
 
Ahh.... so its come to this.

Thanks for the memories Winning Eleven. I remember almost around 20 years ago in school going to the store in my hometown where you could get games for a modded PS1 for $5. I was looking for Fifa'99 but it was out of stock and my friend suggested I try the only other soccer game available. I took a chance with the Carlos Valderrama cover game. Graphics weren't as good, needed more polish, not as many teams or catchy soundtrack, when it rained it looked like static on my tv... but damn I was hooked. I never bought FIFA and instead every year would get the import of ISS/WE available, even though sometimes the only one available would be the Japanese version with Japanese commentators (my knowledge of 2 Japanese words comes from playing those games).

By far the most played series from my PS1-PS4 times spanning almost 25 years.

It was because of you that I failed Calculus in high school, but it was worth it if only to take my team, beginning with the original Master League roster, all the way to the top
 
So many point of views. Off course it's a good thing for those who will play on mobile and old gen console. But for others, that spend 400 bucks on console or 500 on GPU (5k and 7k respectively on Brasil) never plays online modes and it's not a big fan of Fifa football style, it's a dead end for football gaming.
 
Danny Henry said:
So many point of views. Off course it's good thing for those who will play on mobile and old gen console. But for others, that spend 400 bucks on console or 500 on GPU (5k and 7k respectively on Brasil) never plays online modes and it's not a big fan of Fifa football style, it's a dead end.
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It's not even fair, someone who pays 500 bucks get the same experience as someone who pays 150 for older gen console?
 
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