EA SPORTS FC 24

The game is literally total exhaustion, skating, crashes between players, the ball looks like a stone in terms of physics, I couldn't play more than 3 games, I think FIFA ended after 14, 16, now I'm going to find myself in the launch from Fotbal life 24 great mod for pes 21 and keep hope in the offline mode of efotbal that I got very good gameplay, so FIFA will have some hope if they change the engine, that's it, I saved my money this year!
 
Ezequiel Vanzin said:
The game is literally total exhaustion, skating, crashes between players, the ball looks like a stone in terms of physics, I couldn't play more than 3 games, I think FIFA ended after 14, 16, now I'm going to find myself in the launch from Fotbal life 24 great mod for pes 21 and keep hope in the offline mode of efotbal that I got very good gameplay, so FIFA will have some hope if they change the engine, that's it, I saved my money this year!
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Efootball is also crap too imo
 
Matt10 said:
It is a dribbling game, but I'll take that over the old dribble-dribble-pass game that it used to be. There's some variety there for sure where the CPU moves the ball with patience at times. I like the hesitation as well.

I'm trying to figure out how you guys who are using the sliders are able to dribble past everyone. The Sprint + accel values are designed to prevent that. As you can see several times I try to and I even try to turn the forward with my CB - no such luck. You're definitely better players than I am (and my testers apparently).

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I’m absolutely not a great player, Matt, and I don’t try to be, as I just try to play realistically usually.

It’s not full on sprinting that beats defenders. It’s when you change your pace. That really fools them. So alternate between slow running and accelerating. Don’t get too close to a defender, because you don’t even need to for this to work. And if you think you’re boxed in, turn your back on a defender, then go round in a circle. That confuses the AI too.

I went back to efootball 2021 to see if I’d just never tried the same kind of thing in that game. But when I tried it I got properly punished.

It’s as if they realised they should put pressing back in the game, but the implementation is at the level that a team of 5-year-olds would do it.

And yes, it’s a better game when the opposition have the ball, although your defenders have no weight to them.
 
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darkoj2007 said:
I played Fifa 17, few games on 1.0 version on my ps5 and omg... what have they done to this game? That game even 6 years old got so much right stuff on the pitch that my eyes stayed wide open through the whole time. If this game was released today with all up to date stuff will be best football by a mile!
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Fifa 17, my favorite Fifa game of all time. Even with the smaller size ball it is just so much fun and does so many things right. It was the first game on the frostbite engine so not sure we can blame the actual engine for the current abomination we have now. Unfortunately, Fifa 17 has not recieved much love from the modding community and there is now way of playing an updated version of it. I even enjoyed "the journey". Good fun
 
final lap said:
Fifa 17, my favorite Fifa game of all time. Even with the smaller size ball it is just so much fun and does so many things right. It was the first game on the frostbite engine so not sure we can blame the actual engine for the current abomination we have now. Unfortunately, Fifa 17 has not recieved much love from the modding community and there is now way of playing an updated version of it. I even enjoyed "the journey". Good fun
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17 also looked better than rest of the frostbite fifa games. The atmosphere had a nice dense and foggy look and the day time matches had nice lighting. The grass also looked nice.

The gameplay also felt closer to fifa 16 than every other frost bite fifa games. I wish it was possible to put the icon 3d models and players in fifa 17.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Efootball is also crap too imo
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Which one do you mean? 2021 version is by far, despite its flaws, the best football game out there. At least you have a feeling that you're playing football. Football Life is even better as a modded version with PES 5 fouls implementation and a much slower pace.
I can't really understand what some of you want. Do you want a galore of goals and have fun while you're drinking pints? Play EA's game. Do you want a game where there's a possibility you won't score for 5 consecutive matches and only create 10 chances? Play EFootball 2021 or Football Life. I reckon trying to break a proper park the bus team in PES isn't fun for many and I can understand it.
 
I don't know what happened but game feels a lot slower and psyhical today. Also i recommend alternative defending for online because you can shoulder charge and tackle depending on the situation.
 
TheWolf said:
Ok, where to start with this? Firstly, I like the title better than 23 because that was the bottom of the footy barrel for me, I'd genuinely rather never pick up another football game again than play that for 10 minutes of my life. 24 is clearly better in terms of players positioning on the field but good grief, it's like only one or two players on your team make any supportive movement that reflects what is happening on the field at any one time. The ball just rolls past players who make no effort (even with pass intercept turned on) randomly to either intercept a pass or move to mark a player clearly about to receive the ball. The skating is still very evident as is the ball glued to the foot just like FIFA 95 when you turn with the ball. The ball goes from loose and free with an organic feel to not adhering to the laws of physics once a player has made contact. Bumped the first touch error up to 90, 95 and 100 to see if it affected the players control but Cambridge United have the ability to field Messi in any position once you're over the halfway line. Engagement drops as you get towards the last third and we're back to the defences who don't give AF.

I played a couple of games of 19 afterwards and there's just no way I can touch 24 again unless they remove the nanny hand-holding when you're in possession but your team are blind, lazy and deaf when your team doesn't have the ball. It's just the player you're controlling against the CPU basically, that's the best description. Other players are less than interested in the game until you switch to them. Everything 15-19 bought to the table, this game takes it away. The tackling is neutered so timing a tackle to get the ball and knocking the player out of the stands at the same time is a lame affair and mostly, any attempts at a physical game is a joke because the controls don't respond very well, especially direction wise on a slide and the momentum is random and doesn't take into account how fast you were travelling before you slide or often, what direction you were facing.

This game must be aimed at 10 year old girls because if you wanted to stereotype a 10 year old Barbie loving girl as what she would like if you made a footy game especially for her and her friends, this would be it. Women and men equal on the field (please! - I don't care how woke or progressive you are, this is BS, the best women players in the world can't compete with boys U15 teams and it's been shown in real life repeatedly so why have a game where the girls are as good, if not better than the men? You have to spend 10 minutes in settings to turn off the dozens of auto-assists throughout the game and even when turned off, they're only sometimes turned off, auto actions still occur randomly.

I don't care how many patches they release, this game isn't going to touch 15-19. You either keep an older game from that date range or before to play when you want to feel like you're playing the real game and you play this when you want bells, whistles, balloons and sideshow clowns. The best example I can give after all of this is for those of you who play first person shooters, FIFA 15-19 and prior were like Black Ops 1-3, original Modern Warfares, etc. FIFA 23-24 onwards is basically the equivalent of Fortnite.
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I agree with a lot of your comment but '10 year old girls'? Come on, grow up.
 
FShas said:
I agree with a lot of your comment but '10 year old girls'? Come on, grow up.
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As I posted a couple of days ago, my sons preloaded this joke of a game on EA Play Pro. Finally today they had a chance to play it, 13yr and 11yr old. I sat next to them without saying a single word while they were playing. Guess what, they couldn't even believe this game went through QA. "Why my defender is standing still dad?". "Dad, all my players are backtracking, what's going on?". My 13yr old played without knowing with my preset settings on manual/semi, Legendary difficulty and he had games on 10min halves ending on scores like 8-5 and 7-4.
 
fear said:
As I posted a couple of days ago, my sons preloaded this joke of a game on EA Play Pro. Finally today they had a chance to play it, 13yr and 11yr old. I sat next to them without saying a single word while they were playing. Guess what, they couldn't even believe this game went through QA. "Why my defender is standing still dad?". "Dad, all my players are backtracking, what's going on?". My 13yr old played without knowing with my preset settings on manual/semi, Legendary difficulty and he had games on 10min halves ending on scores like 8-5 and 7-4.
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Sorry, clarify for me what your point is. Good on them for seeing through the flaws. But, genuinely, I'm not totally sure...
 
FShas said:
Sorry, clarify for me what your point is. Good on them for seeing through the flaws. But, genuinely, I'm not totally sure...
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My point is that the game is tailored for under 10s, girls or boys. The issue isn't EA, it's the end user. To each his own but there are a few posts here saying the game is good, better than 23 etc. I'll be completely honest and I'll say this is not helping the sports videogames industry. I'm trying to be polite because I respect everyone's opinion but someone saying this thing is even decent is bonkers.
 
fear said:
My point is that the game is tailored for under 10s, girls or boys. The issue isn't EA, it's the end user. To each his own but there are a few posts here saying the game is good, better than 23 etc. I'll be completely honest and I'll say this is not helping the sports videogames industry. I'm trying to be polite because I respect everyone's opinion but someone saying this thing is even decent is bonkers.
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Ah yes the classic 'my money means more than other people's so my opinion is the only one that matters'
 
fear said:
My point is that the game is tailored for under 10s, girls or boys. The issue isn't EA, it's the end user. To each his own but there are a few posts here saying the game is good, better than 23 etc. I'll be completely honest and I'll say this is not helping the sports videogames industry. I'm trying to be polite because I respect everyone's opinion but someone saying this thing is even decent is bonkers.
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I think many 10 year olds may know no better. Certainly some will identify issues with defending etc. But I know of very bright 10 year old boys who play fifa on ps5, but who often dont know when the next fifa is out, let alone that fifa pre-fifa 20 had group defending.

To them, the way fifa 23 plays is simply how football games play.

I also know of many men in their 30's and 40's who play fifa, without questioning the integrity of the game at all. They enjoy playing. Even suggesting sliders, or using broadcast camera to them is pointless. These are intelligent men. But they just play fifa. Because its fifa. And it's always been fifa.

What fifa is tapping into is something more than an absence of maturity, or intellect. Or even discernment. People play it despite that I think.

It seems to have become a cultural touchstone. A social media vehicle. A fixture within the living room. It's gamefied football, in a world in which much of life is gamefied.
 
Anth James said:
I've just played a couple of matches. I'm looking at this game as a base for how I could mod from here, so my comments need to be looked at in that context. There's really no point starting from 0 every time (1v1, skating etc).

It's definitely better than I was expecting it to be. There are some nice improvements from 23 in here.

My big focus is always on the off-ball defensive side of the game. I was especially curious to see how some of the pitch notes regarding higher pressing and passing lanes being blocked on the wing. They have improved in that area - which for me is a big plus as it gives me a better base to work with when it comes to gameplay modding! It's not the optimal level obviously, but the midfielders are coming across more from what I've seen now, instead of sitting rigid in their midfield 2 or 3 in the middle of the field while all the action happens out wide. Exactly the impact this makes (or doesn’t make) still remains to be seen as I have to spend more time with it. It's definitely not WORSE than 23 in this regard, so any small improvement is something I'll take as it gives something more to work with.

I've also found the pressing in general is better than before. It's more intense and there's a little more effort for other off ball players to push up and cut out some passing options. From what the pitch notes said, this will happen more with teams who have a certain tactic/depth. Again, it's not to the level I would like yet, and it needs to be tightened up in areas, but there have been base improvements which will give us more to work with when modding. These two improvements have made me have to pass the ball around more than before, trying to find gaps and think more which is what we all want here. It can certainly be improved on though.

I've also noticed certain areas where stats are making a bigger difference which I like. By default, turning times etc seem more pronounced than before. I played with a lower rated team and immediately noticed the big CB was much slower to turn etc. There will still be plenty of areas where this can be built on in mods, but to see a bigger difference by default is nice.

The CPU seem to be quite varied and overall smarter. I've seen less crazy dribbling and always running to the byline to cut back (although Man City do it a little too often for my liking). They also seem to be a little less in a hurry to get the ball straight down the field, so some more build up- still not to the level I would like, but better than it was. I've seen missed shots, missed passes and some nice little moments.

There are still definitely some areas of concern, and even some of these I've listed as positives are just initial impressions, we all need more time with it. As a base to work with though, it definitely seems to be better rather than worse. It's not a huge leap forward obviously, but our expectations have dropped now, so as I've said I look at this as a base to build from and in that regard there's more to work with than last year, so I'd say that's a positive.
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I just wanted to add to my comments a little from yesterday....

There are still some glaring fundamental issues that exist in the core of this game, that were also in 23, 22 and so on that I haven't magically forgotten about!

The biggest bug is what I call the 'bursting' issue.

EA have a MAJOR problem in that defenders simply CANNOT adjust to a sprinter in time. You just need to run at a very slight angle and turn a little and they cannot cope. You can beat anyone, anytime like this - irrespective of ability.

It's what ultimately lead me to stop playing 23 - and this goes back to FIFA 20. I worked EXTENSIVELY to try and remove this issue alone from 23 with modding - hours and hours and hours on just this one thing and I was working on quite an abstract idea that wasn't ready in time for 23, but I'm still not confident that it can fix it. EA desperately need to address this and make the interactions more stable. Every good thing that this game can do is undone by this bug in my opinion.

Defenders should be 1000x better than this. It's just unbelievably easy to bamboozle them. They rush at the sprinter and the sprinter obviously not there anymore! I don't understand how this is acceptable on any level from a professional programming perspective, especially when it's been in the game for multiple years.

I couldn't get my recording working properly so I just recorded on my phone (apologies for the poor quality), but have a look here. I did this multiple times in one run. This was World Class but I can do it on Legendary as well whenever I want.

Edit: Oh and a side note, is manual passing not working for anyone else? I set to manual but I swear it's still playing as semi or even assisted...

 
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fear said:
Which one do you mean? 2021 version is by far, despite its flaws, the best football game out there. At least you have a feeling that you're playing football. Football Life is even better as a modded version with PES 5 fouls implementation and a much slower pace.
I can't really understand what some of you want. Do you want a galore of goals and have fun while you're drinking pints? Play EA's game. Do you want a game where there's a possibility you won't score for 5 consecutive matches and only create 10 chances? Play EFootball 2021 or Football Life. I reckon trying to break a proper park the bus team in PES isn't fun for many and I can understand it.
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Most people refer to "Efootball PES 2021" as simply "PES 2021", the last true PES. :TU:
 
FShas said:
I agree with a lot of your comment but '10 year old girls'? Come on, grow up.
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In terms of their marketing approach, that’s exactly the demographic they’re trying to grow at the moment. Why do you think they’re introduced mixed teams this year? Because males were screaming for the feature. Why do you think one of the major commentators is now female? Or the officials in the PL men’s even female at times? Again, because their traditional male fan base have been demanding it? They added an option last year to avoid critical commentary, again, do you think it’s males who wanted that feature? The average age for girls to start gaming is between 8-12 so take a midline and yes, this is their main focus this year.

And thanks for the well-thought out ‘grow up’ remark. If you can’t spot marketing trends and target demographics, that’s your problem, not mine but I’m guessing it’s more about your woke perception of thinking somebody is being misogynistic rather than simply stating the marketing focus and what EA have said themselves for the last 3 years, that they want to get more young female gameplayers.
 
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Bon3s said:
Ah yes the classic 'my money means more than other people's so my opinion is the only one that matters'
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Yeah, ok. If you think this is the case I won't argue with you. My opinion and voice matters as yours. But I have every right to believe my criticism regarding the state of this specific football videogame and other football videogames is valid. I'm not going to hide behind my finger and believe we're purchasing even average products. Me and others here talked about the huge fundamental flaws. If you deny them we have a problem unfortunately because my criticism is constructive. I'm not bashing this game by hobby. My hobby is ruined by this incomplete product and I'd like to see improvement.
 
millossobek said:
Most people refer to "Efootball PES 2021" as simply "PES 2021", the last true PES. :TU:
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It doesn't matter how it's called. I just want a good football videogame to play in my limited spare time and with my children. Simple. I guess I'm asking too much. The grand decline is here and I can see it unfolding. The majority of the members of this forum can see it and definitely all the moderators. It's not only about Fifa, EA FC or whatever, it's about PES also. There's no improvement, there's no evolution.
 
First women's match. Feels like it's lost its uniqueness, and has a very, very similar feeling to the men. Understandable, if they're now mixed into FUT, as having men and women feel different in that when they're on the same team would be weird. But on the positive, at least sliders should affect them the same as the men, so no more super-powered Chelsea
 
This game is a disgrace, there is no fix with sliders because it is an engine problem, I have already tried 3 different sliders, and there will be nothing to do until they change the game engine or we have to keep our hopes up with Konami, or some other company until there!
 
fear said:
Yeah, ok. If you think this is the case I won't argue with you. My opinion and voice matters as yours. But I have every right to believe my criticism regarding the state of this specific football videogame and other football videogames is valid. I'm not going to hide behind my finger and believe we're purchasing even average products. Me and others here talked about the huge fundamental flaws. If you deny them we have a problem unfortunately because my criticism is constructive. I'm not bashing this game by hobby. My hobby is ruined by this incomplete product and I'd like to see improvement.
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Of course you have a right to criticise the game, I too have issues with just about every sports game available but your posts smack of 'how dare people like something I don't like' which is frankly silly and arrogant. Some people enjoy these games for a myriad of reasons and have paid money to do so, but let me guess evo-web has the real players and everyone else is an under 10 girl or boy.
 
TheWolf said:
In terms of their marketing approach dude, that’s exactly the demographic they’re trying to grow at the moment. Why do you think they’re introduced mixed teams this year? Because males were screaming for the feature. Why do you think one of the major commentators is now female? Or the officials in the PL men’s even female at times? Again, because their traditional male fan base have been demanding it? The average age for girls to start gaming is between 8-12 so take a midline and yes, this is their main focus this year.

And thanks for the well-thought out ‘grow up’ remark. If you can’t spot marketing trends and target demographics, that’s your problem, not mine.
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You appear to have made an assumption about 10 year old girls who play with dolls, and then inserted that assumption into the marketing strategy of EA, wholly without evidence, beyond your own certainty. The average age of girls starting gaming (if accurate) is not evidence for why EA have mixed teams. Nor is girls playing with barbie. This all just supposition, laced with sexism.

I found that quite childish, I really did. I apologise for my reply though.

(I imagine these posts will be deleted soon anyhow).
 
Bon3s said:
Of course you have a right to criticise the game, I too have issues with just about every sports game available but your posts smack of 'how dare people like something I don't like' which is frankly silly and arrogant. Some people enjoy these games for a myriad of reasons and have paid money to do so, but let me guess evo-web has the real players and everyone else is an under 10 girl or boy.
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I think there are positives in the game but equally I can see EA’s marketing focus since FIFA 20 has been pre-teens with grandma’s birthday/Christmas money (and the same with Konami). You can’t make the game too difficult if your market switches to a younger audience so things that create too much resistance are eroded almost to the point of elimination. EA stated that they wanted more young female players in their core base and you’d have to be blind not to see their focus in terms of features/additions this year have supported that focus. Again, you can’t make the game too difficult, even for young casual female players because men over 25 are no longer the demographic they’re marketing to.
 
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