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Paul-v said:
Nowadays companies are run by politics rather than passion for the job.
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Sadly true and it's not even speculative, There isn't a culture of vision and ambition with AAA companies, It's about margins, profits, pleasing shareholders/investors, and so on.

Just look at the state most games launch in on day one. Cyberpunk and eFootball are the most recent notorious examples. The developers knew and understood with 100% certainty that these games were in no state to be released to a reasonable standard, but they complied, presumably with pressure from the suits at the top, who have no clue what basic standards a game should meet; to release the game on the schedule and make its money.

Oblivious to the inevitable critical scrutiny, all they know is that you release a new product and enough people will buy it anyway and that'll keep the suits happy enough and ignorance is bliss. Until the time comes to make more money and the next marketing campaign for whatever DLC or MTX needed to shill to bump up that financial engagement.
 
Badger Mushroom said:
I think the whole QA process in any sort of media is pretty much extinct now, or rather the "higher ups" have no issue saying "it's fine, let's get it out". This kind of reminds me of some of the really shonky CGI in the last Ant-Man movie, the general consensus seems to be that there's an expectation people will be blasé to lower quality media in general.
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Yep, I hate modern gaming for many reasons, but this is one of the main reasons. It's just yeah it's fine, fix it later, fix it later, fix it later. Quality control is out the window. Before day 1 patches and online 43 gb updates games were generally released in a much better state and had more honour in the product.
 
We would love to imagine that being free of the FIFA license allows more money to go into game development and deeper gameplay design - and it does seem to allow some new graphical details at least (there are flares in the crowd in the trailer, which would suggest a more accurate atmosphere for some grounds).

But let's be honest, it's largely to enable things like that Nike NFT-style deal, and others like this...

 
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Chris Davies said:
We would love to imagine that being free of the FIFA license allows more money to go into game development and deeper gameplay design - and it does seem to allow some new graphical details at least (there are flares in the crowd in the trailer, which would suggest a more accurate atmosphere for some grounds).

But let's be honest, it's largely to enable things like that Nike NFT-style deal, and others like this...
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Yeah, it’s not gonna be about the game anymore, they’re building a “ecosystem” they want the “EA Sports FC” brand to be “more” than just a game.
 
Badger Mushroom said:
I think the whole QA process in any sort of media is pretty much extinct now, or rather the "higher ups" have no issue saying "it's fine, let's get it out". This kind of reminds me of some of the really shonky CGI in the last Ant-Man movie, the general consensus seems to be that there's an expectation people will be blasé to lower quality media in general.
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Depends on the industry I suppose. Our company has around 300 QA engineers and we have to pass integration tests, system tests, regression tests, perf tests and end to end test and then we ship that new feature to AB Testing and if the AB Testing was successful, then we release that feature to the general public. It's just that shitty companies takes shortcuts. Doesn't mean all software companies or even all game companies are bad like that.
 
K1NG94 said:
Naa they done Saka dirty 🤣🤣

Ronaldinho looks horrid too 😂

Haaland has got that FIFA 15 Lambert build...
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I thought we were moving towards some kind of photorealistic graphics game.
But nope, The Sims 5 is coming

In all seriousness, I can understand physics being difficult to implement. But graphics, at this point they should be way more advanced than what they are. Football game graphics engines are the less-evolved ones out there.

This is Crysis, released in 2007:

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Back in the time, I thought in 2023 we would be moving frames from video footage at this point.

What we currently have:

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What we had in 2016 (2015 - technically):

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What happened? Didn't we pay enough to deserve something better?
 
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Now this is where I cannot defend Frostbite.

End of the day, the engine has been designed to handle various games and genres. From what I can tell from the sports games, they are just throwing the models in there and just leaving it be. Where as Ignite was designed to have a camera far away from the pitch / rink / etc so they focused on fixing the pitch and graphics to look good. I suspect Frostbite just cant handle it (neither can Unreal Engine / Unity out of the box, speaking from experience).

On top of that, I am not sure what lighting EA are trying to replicate. These days I am certain they have it wrong 90% of the time. It started going downhill after a patch was made to FIFA 20 / 21 (i can't remember) when they decided to implement "South America lighting" to ALL stadiums. Now all we get is extremely washed out, unsaturated, over bright images.
 
I was playing FIFA 16 & 17 earlier in the week back to back and even 17 looks really good in Frostbite, The lighting is pretty spectacular before they nerfed it in subsequent versions. They were still using a lot of FIFA 16 head scans so they looked pretty realistic compared to the more stylized ones they started using from 20 onwards.
 
Marlon Anthony said:
I was playing FIFA 16 & 17 earlier in the week back to back and even 17 looks really good in Frostbite, The lighting is pretty spectacular before they nerfed it in subsequent versions. They were still using a lot of FIFA 16 head scans so they looked pretty realistic compared to the more stylized ones they started using from 20 onwards.
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Oh 100%, the way characters look is a design choice! They also used 16's pitch textures on 17. 17 has to be the prettiest Frostbite version and actually one of the best vanilla gameplay experiences to exist.
 
Paul-v said:
Oh 100%, the way characters look is a design choice! They also used 16's pitch textures on 17. 17 has to be the prettiest Frostbite version and actually one of the best vanilla gameplay experiences to exist.
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Yeah it's better than I remember it being, I still think 16 is the superior experience which isn't too surprising given that it's ignite and Frostbite had its teething issues. But the fluidity and responsiveness of 16 is unforgettable and very noticeable on 17, however, the pace of 17 is very sim-heavy and is also a joy to play considering it's lack of polish on the engine.
Anth James said:
Agree…..but if only the ball was bigger!!!
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Once you see the tiny ball, you can't unsee it!
 
Chris Davies said:
The wording of this really scares me for the future of football games.

"EA SPORTS FC™ brand ecosystem"...
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Just hope we don't end with a new FIFA with 63 DLC's worthing $ 995 in total as The Sims 4. If they plan to follow the free-to-play route as it was mentioned sometime ago, it isn't that crazy. Like you, the more marketing I see, the more scared I am (in every aspects of life, not only in gaming).

Marlon Anthony said:
I was playing FIFA 16 & 17 earlier in the week back to back and even 17 looks really good in Frostbite, The lighting is pretty spectacular before they nerfed it in subsequent versions. They were still using a lot of FIFA 16 head scans so they looked pretty realistic compared to the more stylized ones they started using from 20 onwards.
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This word is the key. They are constantly going back-and-forth in many aspects to keep people spending money.
 
Chris Davies said:
The wording of this really scares me for the future of football games.

"EA SPORTS FC™ brand ecosystem"...

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It's mostly troubling and I'm curious on what they mean by that ecosystem vision. Could be like some enhanced bigger version of FUT in an open world, or a wider market for everybody to sell/buy NFTs like some virtual eBay, tendering for your own type of virtual ground/club to use it like in an MMO style, or some online virtual player mode like in 2K but using Volta, offline modes like career chained to FUT... lots of possibilities.

Either way, "brand ecosystem" doesn't feel right. It's like a step above live service but on a larger scale made for users to be hooked into doing bigger virtual "investments" that eventually will carry over in future instalments or updates. This isn't a videogame anymore, feels more like a product where just few are spending their time into developing the actual gameplay (recycling and making it very quick and familiar), and the majority of the team prioritizing and nitpicking those online modes to generate the biggest revenue possible...
 
peroberilo said:
So, today is gameplay trailer.

It would be interesting to see, lets say it that way.
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Don't hope for too much, is all I'll say. It'll be 'gameplay' from weird angles, and maybe 10 seconds of what you might actually see on screen.

I did notice in the picture they released however, a female player in an Atletico Madrid kit. Does this suggest the addition of the Liga F? They aren't a team in the UWCL as far as I can see. Hoping for at least the Italian league too

(They have the logo for Liga F, and the Google Pixel Frauen Bundesliga also, so it looks like a couple new women's leagues added. Hoping the Italian league is in there also)
 
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SmichiW said:
trailer is like the same : no actual gameplay, so it doesnt matter
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I believe there will be like 4-5 seconds of gameplay ... it would help to see graphics and overall look of the game.

For real gameplay, need to wait for first gameplay videos.
 
peroberilo said:
So, today is gameplay trailer.

It would be interesting to see, lets say it that way.
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FC Bayern said:
Don't hope for too much, is all I'll say. It'll be 'gameplay' from weird angles, and maybe 10 seconds of what you might actually see on screen.
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Last year's trailer was actually immensely helpful; you could immediately see the biggest issues. In-fact, we were all questioning how EA could release such an indictment of the game, before realising that we're the only people who give a toss about "skating" / empty midfields / high-scoring games. The FUT players don't care.

So I'm actually expecting the trailer to reveal a lot, although I'm FULLY expecting it to reveal that it has exactly the same issues as above, sprinkled with new features to make the FUT players happy.

Here's the proof that last year's trailer told us the whole story from the first second:

 
Chris Davies said:
Last year's trailer was actually immensely helpful; you could immediately see the biggest issues. In-fact, we were all questioning how EA could release such an indictment of the game, before realising that we're the only people who give a toss about "skating" / empty midfields / high-scoring games. The FUT players don't care.

So I'm actually expecting the trailer to reveal a lot, although I'm FULLY expecting it to reveal that it has exactly the same issues as above, sprinkled with new features to make the FUT players happy.

Here's the proof that last year's trailer told us the whole story from the first second:

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I can't wait for your cynical tweets and captioned YouTube videos on this new one, always has me sniggering at my desk at work and getting me disciplinary for browsing EvoWeb instead of doing anything productive and earning my wage. 😂
 
Marlon Anthony said:
I can't wait for your cynical tweets and captioned YouTube videos on this new one, always has me sniggering at my desk at work and getting me disciplinary for browsing EvoWeb instead of doing anything productive and earning my wage. 😂
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I'm not here to troll; in-fact I really don't like how eager people are to tear things apart (taking that box art as an indicator of in-game graphics, for example). The "angry mob" effect just makes it less likely that anybody would ever take criticism seriously, because it looks to outsiders like a load of old men desperate to hate stuff, for no reason other than the cheap thrill of bathing in toxicity.

Actually, I really dislike this thread a lot of the time. It's less "EA SPORTS FC talk" and more "LOUD NOISES".

That said, I *am* worried about EASFC. All this talk of the "EA SPORTS FC fulfilment platform and NFT-enabled software service solution featuring, occasionally, a ball" - and the continued focus on ultra-responsiveness as opposed to things that happen on the planet Earth - has got me really nervous.

It feels more and more like the beginning of rapid acceleration towards the end (of football-based football games).

(Also, that cover is so bizarrely bad, with genuinely messed-up faces, it simply had to be talked about.)
 
Chris Davies said:
I'm not here to troll; in-fact I really don't like how eager people are to tear things apart (taking that box art as an indicator of in-game graphics, for example). The "angry mob" effect just makes it less likely that anybody would ever take criticism seriously, because it looks to outsiders like a load of old men desperate to hate stuff, for no reason other than the cheap thrill of bathing in toxicity.

Actually, I really dislike this thread a lot of the time. It's less "EA SPORTS FC talk" and more "LOUD NOISES".

That said, I *am* worried about EASFC. All this talk of the "EA SPORTS FC fulfilment platform and NFT-enabled software service solution featuring, occasionally, a ball" - and the continued focus on ultra-responsiveness as opposed to things that happen on the planet Earth - has got me really nervous.

It feels more and more like the beginning of rapid acceleration towards the end (of football-based football games).

(Also, that cover is so bizarrely bad, with genuinely messed-up faces, it simply had to be talked about.)
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I'm talking specifically about the way you criticized FIFA and eFootball with clips, particularly on YT with sarcasm, is genuinely funny.

I agree that low-effort shit posting in the eFootball and this thread is a bad look & petty but there's nothing wrong with sign-posting genuine criticism with some humor or satire.

The EAFC art feedback was justified because they can do much better & have done better. This just looked bizarre because if it's intentional, there's literally no context for it to be intentionally dodgy and resemble deep fakes. Even the version they used in the trailer looked better and they still went with the disturbing mockup.

At the end of the day, it's not life and death - They're just games and neither is literally that bad that they're unplayable, Though I do agree that fundamentals such as team defending and foot planting being removed in the name of fun are inexcusable especially when these are present all the way up to FIFA 19 and that game still had millions of players online every day and generated billions in revenue.

So it was clearly fun with the "boring" bits of football implemented so removing things that add an element of strategy and consideration is just as unnecessary as removing reloading your weapons in an online FPS because people complain it's not fair and leaves you vulnerable when it's the point of course.
 
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