Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 10/10/07)
I disagree completely.
In PES you prepare yourself by using your stick. You move your player into the best position and angle to make a good touch on the ball. You press the pass button when you want to start the motion to kick the ball. PES has got this spot on. The timing feels just like when I play real football (which I do a couple of times a week).
So what about thight situations where you fight for the ball, or you are surrounded by other players? How can you think ahead for 1 second. You can't! You need full control of your player. You just need to feel you are in that situation yourself, and play by reaction and quick thinking. You can't quick-think 1 second ahead, when you don't know what happens during that second.
It's not difficult for a real player to do a millisecond pass in real life. To time a pass JUST before the opponent reach it. To play with small margins and high risk. This is impossible with FIFA.
Think-ahead-football just makes slow safe-pass tactical football with bad close control and random outcomes of thight duels. Doesn't sound very realistic to me. It wont get your adrenaline pumping. It's like just telling your players what to do instead of doing it yourself.
In PES I feel like I AM the player. In FIFA I feel like I'm trying to tell him what to do.
FIFA might look allright when looking at the full picture, but when going into detail with 1 player, it just stinks.
Hehe, we seem to disagree quite alot.
I enjoy the extra planning needed in FIFA. In PES you can just jiggle the stick mindlessly when running to pull off 2-foot feints and such easily and completely effortlessly without any concentration or timing. That to me isn't enjoyable, though it certainly is responsive.
In FIFA, I've noticed it really takes full concentration and "planning" (making sure you approach the opponent correctly timing-wise) to fool him with a Matthews-feint or such.
That said, I've done some really sweet stuff with Ronaldinho and Messi, but it definitely isn't as effortless as in PES to do some things (which I feel makes it even more rewarding once you pull it off). In PES you do an elastico by peppering R2 or L1. In FIFA you need to wait till the player kicks out the ball a bit and is approaching it again, and then time the trickstick quite well. So in PES you can do an elastico almost at any time with Ronaldinho, whilst in FIFA you need to make sure both the trickstick movement is correct, the timing is correct, and making sure that the opponent isn't too far away or too close.
Also, I didn't really mean that you need to press the pass-button 1 whole second before for the player to be able to pass it. You can't do it PES-style (pressing the button when the ball is 30cm from the foot) and having the player cock his leg and kick the ball instantly when receiving a pass.
As for tight situations, most players in real life struggle to keep the ball in tight situations. In real life you don't have the kind of response PES has. Usually in tight situations, you will have time for one move, and the accuracy and planning of that move ( usually what direction you move the ball, or such) determines whether you will keep the ball or loose it.
It definitely took me some time to learn how to think correctly in FIFA, and get acquainted with the controls properly. But now I am able to handle myself quite well in duels and close quarters. As in rea life, even if I am controlling Messi, the best bet in a close situation is to turn around and pass to a teammate.
FIFA is slower and less responsive, but in my humble opinion it isn't too slow (atleast I've yet to miss a first-time pass or such because of pressing the pass button too late). And after playing quite alot on the PC these past days, you notice that the AI players have the same handicap, so I don't mind it at all. I just wish my 2nd controller would work so I could play some multiplayer and test the game in that aspect aswell. I can't wait till I pull off an elastico against a friend.
I'm talking about graphics in general, PES looks like a comic book. Nobody would look at PES as they walk past the TV and think it's a real match on TV. Konami have the power at their fingertips to overhaul the graphics engine but are too lazy to bother. Again, why should they? Because mugs will still buy the game regardless, and "make the most of a bad situation".
